Having all your files only on your computer is a bad idea. But having them all on your computer (in addition to backed up elsewhere offsite) is called "very convenient" to most people.
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The No Touch Bar 13 Macbook Version
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Having all your files only on your computer is a bad idea. But having them all on your computer (in addition to backed up elsewhere offsite) is called "very convenient" to most people.
Right, I purchased a nT-MBP 13 and find it very good apart from two things.
1) I noticed that the small arrows (up and down) fail to register many clicks unless I press harder. The up and small arrows don't even make the same sound as the other keys, they still 'click' but not so loudly and mechanically. All other keys work as expected.
Do I have a defective keyboard?
2) The screen does not seem as good as my iPad Pro 9.7?
How is that possible?
1) I noticed that the small arrows (up and down) fail to register many clicks unless I press harder. The up and small arrows don't even make the same sound as the other keys, they still 'click' but not so loudly and mechanically. All other keys work as expected.
Do I have a defective keyboard?
2) The screen does not seem as good as my iPad Pro 9.7?
How is that possible?
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And that would be great if real world tests by respected sites (like arstechnica) showed a real world difference. The numerical difference looks impressive, but in actual tests there is barely a difference. However Intel is in such a funk the processor is barely faster.
So if you feel the touchID and the 2 extra ports are worth $300 then great. Thats the actual real world decision.
and take into the calculation if you're ok losing a bit of battery life (ntb has larger battery and no tb drawing down battery)
Along with Faster Ram, better iGPU, better cooling with 2 fans. It's a modest $300 upgrade. People are spending more then that upgrading the nTB model specs. Let's get over $300 difference !!!!! I don't see 15" models spewing over upgrade specs and cost.
agreed. but it's not so much the $ but value. i applied my extra $ towards upgraded ssd size since i valued the extra storage space and battery life over the gimmicky touchbar
Both have similar color gamut at DCI-P3 and brightness around 500nits, but the ipad has a higher pixel density so the ipad may seem to be a little better.
iPad Pro 9.7inch has 1536 x 2048 pixels (264 ppi)
Macbook Pro 13inch has 2560×1600 pixels (227 ppi)
That case looks nice. Can you post a pic? Does it feel like leather or plastic?
It is a faux leather - over hard plastic.
Holding up pretty good- the pics on amazon are better than any pics i would post.
Much better than the iblasons i used on my macbook air. Fit is very good
Try it- you have a return period .
Thanks, makes sense.
Anybody noticed any issue with the two up and down arrow keys? (As per my prior post). In essence they don't register all the clicks and sound 'different' (they register only if I press relatively hard, otherwise they don't register at all - they move, they make a faint click but nothing happens). No issues with all the other keys. With all other keys it is impossible to have a false click, they look defective to me. Every other time when I press them nothing happen unless I press really harder and decisively until the end for the travel, whereas with the other keys I only need to put my finger on it and they completely the action for me. Looks like something is stuck underneath that inhibits it.
Same issue, most noticable with up arrow key. The right arrow is the loudest key of the entire keyboard.
Synology DS215J. Strong enough to run a Plex Server on top.
Synology DS215J. Strong enough to run a Plex Server on top.
Just returned my 15" 2016 MBP (460,1TB) and ordered a 13" 2016 nTB (512GB, 16GB RAM, 2.0GHZ) in Space Grey. We will see how quick it gets here! (I am using a nTB 8GB RAM currently and am returning it cause of the RAM, but my goodness, so much snappier and less laggy that the touchbar MacBook Pro for some odd reason!!!)
Odd, indeed! Considering that the TB has its own processor system and the nTB has a 15W 2.0 GHz processor against a 28W 2.9GHz in the base TB MBP 13.
For some odd reason, I consistently had my Touch Bar crashing, which in turn, crashed my Dock (would not hide properly in full screen continuously), or my laptop frequently had animation stutters when switching apps in Mission Control. This occurred on two other replacement 15" devices too
http://ark.intel.com/compare/91167,88192
Above link shows the difference between max CPU in the nTB vs the max in the TB - both 13". Turbo frequency is 200 mhz in favor of the touchbar model. Ram is 2133 vs 1866 which in real world would only be noticed with benchmarks - similar to 200 mhz clock increase.
The GPU is virtually identical according to various benchmark sites, of course the 550 is faster than the 540 but not by much. 5% - 10% depending on application- similar to the CPU. (Geekbench shows 4000 for ntb vs 4400 for 13 max tb model).
Now if your argument is - but but on prolonged stress tests etc the 13 touchbar has more head room due to 28W TDP and won't throttle. Yes you're right. It will finish the job faster, slightly. If you really need a fast machine, the 13" is the wrong device, regardless of touchbar or not.
If you're the average joe who just likes a fast and responsive machine, with a complete keyboard and no gimmicks, the 13ntb is hard to neglect - especially due to discount offers available.
Above link shows the difference between max CPU in the nTB vs the max in the TB - both 13". Turbo frequency is 200 mhz in favor of the touchbar model. Ram is 2133 vs 1866 which in real world would only be noticed with benchmarks - similar to 200 mhz clock increase.
The GPU is virtually identical according to various benchmark sites, of course the 550 is faster than the 540 but not by much. 5% - 10% depending on application- similar to the CPU. (Geekbench shows 4000 for ntb vs 4400 for 13 max tb model).
Now if your argument is - but but on prolonged stress tests etc the 13 touchbar has more head room due to 28W TDP and won't throttle. Yes you're right. It will finish the job faster, slightly. If you really need a fast machine, the 13" is the wrong device, regardless of touchbar or not.
If you're the average joe who just likes a fast and responsive machine, with a complete keyboard and no gimmicks, the 13ntb is hard to neglect - especially due to discount offers available.
Agreed. I wouldn't consider it because I like to use handbrake and other programs that stress the processor, but the vast majority of people who would have been buying the base pro machine before, this is the perfect device. Especially looking at the MASSIVE amount of college students who get the base Pro every year, and use it mostly for word processing and Netflix (not a bad thing, just the major use factor). My brother received one as a Christmas gift and it's a great machine, although in my opinion the keyboard looks comically big (almost like a keyboard designed for people who can't see well and is being given out for free on the tv), is it that big on the tb version?
Oh! That is, well, odd! Replacements crashing on standard software installs as well? Or were you working with anything more specific that might not have played too well with the TB?
Is it common than the up and down arrow keys don't always work when you press them? So even if I exchanged it I would run into s similar problem?
I'm currently waiting on the nTB MacBook Pro in Space Grey in the following configuration;
-2.0GHz Dual-core Intel Core i5
-16GB 1866MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
-512GB PCIe-based SSD
-AppleCare
And of course the USB-C to USB Adaptor
So far, I've purchased the matte bestskinsever complete protective film and a keyboard protector.
The hunt for the best USB Type-C hub is still on going!
-2.0GHz Dual-core Intel Core i5
-16GB 1866MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
-512GB PCIe-based SSD
-AppleCare
And of course the USB-C to USB Adaptor
So far, I've purchased the matte bestskinsever complete protective film and a keyboard protector.
The hunt for the best USB Type-C hub is still on going!
I'm currently waiting on the nTB MacBook Pro in Space Grey in the following configuration;
-2.0GHz Dual-core Intel Core i5
-16GB 1866MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
-512GB PCIe-based SSD
-AppleCare
And of course the USB-C to USB Adaptor
So far, I've purchased the matte bestskinsever complete protective film and a keyboard protector.
The hunt for the best USB Type-C hub is still on going!
I love the nTB since I don't feel the need for the touch bar and don't want a fake esc button. But I do really miss having the other 2 usb-c on the other side...
I was planning to get an eGPU and they usually come without power charge. Either I find a very good (and expensive) dock station or will be very hard to cope with my needs. 4 ports would have been very handy!
Highly possible. Since I did not need 15" and the India prices were way beyond my budget, I do not remember this - even the base 15" comes with a discrete GPU, right? Unlike the 13" with integrated chips?