The old Intel model is almost 300% of Max for gaming FPS

[Strelok]

This is the lowest of low effort troll topics, not sure why everyone keeps taking the bait. People conveniently ignore the $5000+ workstation laptops from Dell/HP/etc that are also pretty terrible at gaming. If you care about gaming, go buy a gaming laptop. I don’t understand why this is such a difficult concept to understand. It’s like getting upset a Ferrari can’t tow your boat.

 

[babyexercise]

It basically comes back to what I said earlier : the only problem with these chips at this point is the games aren't native. One of the only real benchmarks is World of Warcraft.

Other than that, you have to fiddle around with CrossOver or install Windows ARM on Virtual Machines, and both of these are half-assed solutions.

Even LOL, CSGO don’t have M1 native version? I thought it should exist, M1 has been out like a year.

 

[Ethosik]

This is the lowest of low effort troll topics, not sure why everyone keeps taking the bait. People conveniently ignore the $5000+ workstation laptops from Dell/HP/etc that are also pretty terrible at gaming. If you care about gaming, go buy a gaming laptop. I don’t understand why this is such a difficult concept to understand. It’s like getting upset a Ferrari can’t tow your boat.

Agreed. If you are one of those FPS chasers and NEEDS your game at MAX MAX MAX, then a gaming PC is better. If you want your system for work FIRST, and gaming SECONDARY, these are nice systems. As long as it can hit around 60fps I am good.

I have a dedicated gaming PC when I need to play more demanding titles. Which, FYI, does have games that struggle. Its all about optimization.

 

[ASX]

Did you never think about this M1 is a stripped down chip for apple app purposes? A gpu from AMD/Nvidia is built for every graphical scenario.

 

[cababah]

Always…wait, Never* feed a troll ?

In all seriousness, even the previous Intel Macs were horrible gaming machines in the cost/performance department. Windows offerings always were better there.

 

[HylianKnight]

Apple compared this M1 Max with RTX 3080 mobile within their keynote. So this comparison is more than legit. I didn't know that this M1 Max is slower than a crappy AMD 5600M gpu of macbook pro 2019 .

I noticed that M1 Pro is slow. I connected mine today to a 34GP950G ultra wide screen and opened a lot of tabs in Chrome and Safari. Damn it's slowing down very hard when a lot tabs are open. My 5900X desktop and 11800h laptop are worlds faster.

We tried playing PC games on an M1 Max MacBook Pro — it was a disaster​

We tried playing PC games on an M1 Max MacBook Pro — it was a disaster

Results were less than optimal

www.tomsguide.com

Directly from the article…

“One of the main issues with a lot of these games is that -- perhaps for good reasons — they're not designed to recognize the M1 Max chip's graphics hardware as something that is capable of running them, or (on the games that do run) something that is capable of running them optimally. We would need to do a deeper dive into the M1 graphics architecture to discover why this is the case. That’s an article for another day.”

 

[Ethosik]

One thing I do like more about macOS than Windows is gaming with multiple monitors. I sometimes like to watch podcasts or funny stuff while playing relaxing games like Factorio and Stardew Valley. With my $2,500 Windows PC custom built, the video on the other screen gets to become a jumpy mess whenever I start these games. Meanwhile, on my $700 M1 Mac mini, I can play these games and have my video on the other screen and the video plays just fine.

 

[pshufd]

Even LOL, CSGO don’t have M1 native version? I thought it should exist, M1 has been out like a year.

Ever work in software engineering? Decisions make more sense from the inside.

 

[Ethosik]

Even LOL, CSGO don’t have M1 native version? I thought it should exist, M1 has been out like a year.

Adobe After Effects is still not Apple Silicon native, and you expect games to be?

 

[TopToffee]

I noticed that M1 Pro is slow. I connected mine today to a 34GP950G ultra wide screen and opened a lot of tabs in Chrome and Safari. Damn it's slowing down very hard when a lot tabs are open.

Given that I run a 40" 5K2K ultra wide, and routinely have ~60 tabs open across 2-4 browsers (Safari, Chrome, Edge, Firefox) for my workflow, and I've been doing that on an 8GB M1 Air for the last 4-5 months... I'm gonna call BS on this.

 

[Ethosik]

Given that I run a 40" 5K2K ultra wide, and routinely have ~60 tabs open across 2-4 browsers (Safari, Chrome, Edge, Firefox) for my workflow, and I've been doing that on an 8GB M1 Air for the last 4-5 months... I'm gonna call BS on this.

Could people please stop using browser tabs as a benchmark? This is not 1990s anymore. Sometimes (I have experienced it in even Windows), websites can take up to 2GB of RAM and 30% CPU these days (ONE TAB). Saying you have 10 tabs open is NOTHING. WHAT are the tabs? Do they have a lot of Javascript? Ads? Video content?

 

[Slartibart]

Could people please stop using browser tabs as a benchmark? This is not 1990s anymore. Sometimes (I have experienced it in even Windows), websites can take up to 2GB of RAM and 30% CPU these days (ONE TAB). Saying you have 10 tabs open is NOTHING. WHAT are the tabs? Do they have a lot of Javascript? Ads? Video content?

we should ask @ASX that, shouldn’t we?

 

[Vyse2020]

I don’t see how people think they are being honest when they make thread titles/articles/videos like this, emulating/using crossover APIs compared to native x86-64 performance is a literal apples(no pun intended) to oranges comparison. Emulated x86-64 Windows games run bad on Apple Silicon? No crap. Without proper Apple Silicon versions to test against these kinds of comparisons are pointless. Using it to say that Apple Silicon is somehow inferior is dishonest at best and intentional trolling at worst.

 

[pshufd]

Using it to say that Apple Silicon is somehow inferior is dishonest at best and intentional trolling at worst.

These are pro machines. I use them to make money. The only game I play on these systems is Chess and it does fine with that.

If you don't like how they perform, don't buy them. If you can't afford them, then don't buy them.

I don't think that Apple cares about the people complaining.

They sold $9 billion in computers in Q3 and they were severely supply-constrained.

 

[Ethosik]

I don’t see how people think they are being honest when they make thread titles/articles/videos like this, emulating/using crossover APIs compared to native x86-64 performance is a literal apples(no pun intended) to oranges comparison. Emulated x86-64 Windows games run bad on Apple Silicon? No crap. Without proper Apple Silicon versions to test against these kinds of comparisons are pointless. Using it to say that Apple Silicon is somehow inferior is dishonest at best and intentional trolling at worst.

Or its even worse when they use Parallels with Windows on Arm which is two layers of translation/emulation!

 

[babyexercise]

These are pro machines. I use them to make money. The only game I play on these systems is Chess and it does fine with that.

If you don't like how they perform, don't buy them. If you can't afford them, then don't buy them.

I don't think that Apple cares about the people complaining.

They sold $9 billion in computers in Q3 and they were severely supply-constrained.

You cannot use Windows/Linux with much cheaper laptop to make money then? I doubt.

 

[Slartibart]

I doubt.

Maybe the Encyclicals will offer support? Especially Fratelli tutti? Many in such a situation seem to find support and orientation in what Tenzin Choejor has to say too. of course there is so much more out there…

 

[Black Magic]

The video shows the practical gaming fps

I don’t know how can you accept that but I cannot. There is no way to call it Max when the old version gaming fps is 300% of it. I doubt M2 Max or even M3 Max can catch it up after like 3, 4years. You deserve much better this if you bought the Max.

I think this is a bit of a stretch for a few reasons. One, Gaming on a PC/Mac while very doable is not practical and ultimately makes no sense when there are dedicated consoles designed for that specific task. Two, you forget that most games on the Mac are designed to run on the Intel chip and have to use Rosetta to run on M1. Lastly, you sound like you work for Intel and hate progress. Why cape for legacy x86 architecture when all the big players are starting to build their own chips to bring more capabilities/features to their products?

 

[3Rock]

Here are a few game benchmarks with a 24 / 32 core GPU and a 14 inch

 

[syncopy]

Wait so you’re telling me the OP didn’t know most of these games are running under a virtualized Windows 11 which translates these x86 games for ARM? That “Mac” versions are running via Rosetta 2 translation and will always take a noticeable hit in performance? This is like pouring gasoline on an electric engine and expecting it to charge.

Also has OP never heard of workstations before? Workstations are optimized for efficiency in professional apps and tools, and almost always underperform with gaming tests when compared to gaming rigs. This isn’t a problem, you buy the computer that is going to let you do your job faster and better.

 

[Slartibart]

Wait so you’re telling me the OP didn’t know most of these games are running under a virtualized Windows 11 which translates these x86 games for ARM? That “Mac” versions are running via Rosetta 2 translation and will always take a noticeable hit in performance? This is like pouring gasoline on an electric engine and expecting it to charge.

it is, isn’t it? ??

 

[JMacHack]

Intel shills pls go.

 

[metapunk2077fail]

Wait so you’re telling me the OP didn’t know most of these games are running under a virtualized Windows 11 which translates these x86 games for ARM? That “Mac” versions are running via Rosetta 2 translation and will always take a noticeable hit in performance? This is like pouring gasoline on an electric engine and expecting it to charge.

Also has OP never heard of workstations before? Workstations are optimized for efficiency in professional apps and tools, and almost always underperform with gaming tests when compared to gaming rigs. This isn’t a problem, you buy the computer that is going to let you do your job faster and better.

OP didn't even know the different between system bandwidth on an SoC and memory bandwidth on a dGPU.

 

[JMacHack]

Wait so you’re telling me the OP didn’t know most of these games are running under a virtualized Windows 11 which translates these x86 games for ARM? That “Mac” versions are running via Rosetta 2 translation and will always take a noticeable hit in performance? This is like pouring gasoline on an electric engine and expecting it to charge.

Also has OP never heard of workstations before? Workstations are optimized for efficiency in professional apps and tools, and almost always underperform with gaming tests when compared to gaming rigs. This isn’t a problem, you buy the computer that is going to let you do your job faster and better.

Assuming this is the standard “Mac gaming” troll thread, it’s intentional.

Intel machine slower at video editing? Doesn’t matter because games.

Intel machine roasts your balls while using it? Doesn’t matter because video games.

Adobe software? FCP? Logic Pro?
They aren’t games therefore they don’t matter.

And the argument always shifts to gaming because that’s the only argument they have.

 

[Bandaman]

This is the only review I’ve seen with these results, which means it’s crap. I’ve watched this guy’s channel before and he’s kind of an idiot. He doesn’t really seem to have any idea what he’s doing or talking about, and 99% of the time his “conclusion” is asking his viewers what they think so he doesn’t offend his sponsors by taking a side. He’s aggravating to watch.