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The photocopiers have been in overdrive in Cupertino
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Then it's even.
Let's see who "draws inspiration" next.
But the point goes back to the orginal question you have still not answered.
How is it ok for Apple to blantantly copy but if any one else minorly copies Apple people for example like you LTD are all over them?
Apple threw the first stone this year when it said 2011 is the year of the copy cats.
Hard to argue that Apple was not talking about themselves since all the major things in iOS5 are pretty bold face copies.
Apple has lost all right to scream copy cat as they were the worse of the lot.
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They may have gotten to the point where they thought "if you can't beat them, join them" regarding copying (especially with Samsung which does borrow some ui/behaviour elements heavily with iOS IMO)
I am surprised to see the same notification system copied to the iPad. Honeycomb has a fantastic, growl like notification system which works better than the dropdown bar. It would have been nice to see Apple mix things up on the iPad but they do like a unified feel.
I suspect Android will see further improvements within Ice Cream Sandwich (silliest name yet!) and if Apple really are playing the copycat game, the Android Dev team may want to play a one up game in response which would be great.
Hopefully that would push Android forward even faster and if that did happen, I'd be happy.
Bring on the future if both platforms.
Rodimus Prime said:Then it's even.
Let's see who "draws inspiration" next.
But the point goes back to the orginal question you have still not answered.
How is it ok for Apple to blantantly copy but if any one else minorly copies Apple people for example like you LTD are all over them?
Apple threw the first stone this year when it said 2011 is the year of the copy cats.
Hard to argue that Apple was not talking about themselves since all the major things in iOS5 are pretty bold face copies.
Apple has lost all right to scream copy cat as they were the worse of the lot.
They may have gotten to the point where they thought "if you can't beat them, join them" regarding copying (especially with Samsung which does borrow some ui/behaviour elements heavily with iOS IMO)
I am surprised to see the same notification system copied to the iPad. Honeycomb has a fantastic, growl like notification system which works better than the dropdown bar. It would have been nice to see Apple mix things up on the iPad but they do like a unified feel.
I suspect Android will see further improvements within Ice Cream Sandwich (silliest name yet!) and if Apple really are playing the copycat game, the Android Dev team may want to play a one up game in response which would be great.
Hopefully that would push Android forward even faster and if that did happen, I'd be happy.
Bring on the future if both platforms.
I find it amusing that the "grid of icons" crew are now defending the IP behind their "list of messages" with such religious fervour.
Yes, credit must go to Android for coming up with the more elegant solution first. Given Android Inc was formed in 2005 and given Rubin's experience with Danger I think it is to be expected Android should have one or two things done better than Apple.
Apple are still after all a relative newcomer to Mobile compared to almost all of their peers (Microsoft, HTC, Sony Ericsson, Nokia, RIM, HP Palm etc.).
Overall though think Android owes a lot more to iOS than Android owes to iOS. But at the end of the day both systems are delivering good things for customers.
Yes, credit must go to Android for coming up with the more elegant solution first. Given Android Inc was formed in 2005 and given Rubin's experience with Danger I think it is to be expected Android should have one or two things done better than Apple.
Apple are still after all a relative newcomer to Mobile compared to almost all of their peers (Microsoft, HTC, Sony Ericsson, Nokia, RIM, HP Palm etc.).
Overall though think Android owes a lot more to iOS than Android owes to iOS. But at the end of the day both systems are delivering good things for customers.
If you think they are "bold face copies" then let Google and whoever else pursue Apple legally and then we'll see what's a copy and what isn't. If no such event takes place then there is no patent on these features or else the parties supposedly infringed on don't think they have a viable case.
Until then, it's all just a reinterpretation, a cross-pollination. And frankly, Apple is due a break anyway. Not legally, but ethically. Everyone and their dog has ripped them off without end since 2007, and the courts have taken notice (i.e., Samsung.)
I will give Apple a pass this time around. Consider it an out-of-court award for damages. Yes, this time it's alright for Apple to copy. They're to be held to a different standard anyway on account of what they accomplished in 2007. Enjoy your Android and Windows Phone devices, and be sure to thank Apple while you're at it. Looks like Eric T. Mole took decent notes. But that's in the past. I'm more interested in what Apple will come up with next, though at the moment it looks like they've hit another home run with iCloud.
Let's just hope they've taken the ribbing they received over this so-called copying to heart and don't make a habit out of it. They're far too talented and visionary to do that. Although fair play to them for making it look and work great on iOS, and frankly, good on them in terms of strategy: indulge in photocopying on this occasion, in order to drop a bomb on Google and RIM. This certainly weakened both of their positions. Especially RIM's.
Sad part is that it really is not as big of a bomb shell on RIM as people like you make it out to be. Minor but really it not that big since it is not cross plateform. Limited ONLY to iOS devices and really iMessaging really only truly useful on the iPhone in the way BBM is.
But since you can not leave BBM with out giving up all your BBM contacts it not that bad of a loss. People are so ingrained in BBM it is going to be hard to pull them apart.
As for damaging Google with this update. I am going to have to say nope again. Apple still has its lock issues. App store issues and all those issues that keep people or pushing people away. It not going to do much.
Just for this photocoping Apple pretty much lost the right to poke fun at anyone else since this is the most blanted photocoping out there.
I have the feeling a Mac version will be eventually made, like FaceTime. Looks like Apple are trying to replace iChat/AIM with something of their own. However, useless unless ported to Windows and Android. That's both FaceTime and iMessenging.
if iMessenging is ported over to a OSX version will run into the same reason why AIM, MSN yahoo and others suck on mobile phones.
You are talking computer to phone and the style of writing is very different between the two. Mostly due to the fact it is a lot easier to type messages on a computer keyboard than a phone keyboard.
FaceTime as is 150% pure gimicy right now as the video chating on phones is pure gimic right now and the closed nature of facetime makes it even worse.
I'm not sure I understand this. We type text messages on phones all the time.
It is the style of writing is different along with the speed.
Texting from the phone is going to be much more short hand and more to the point than from a keyboard.
It is two very different styles of writing that to do not mesh over well.
You style from your phone is going to be very different than from your keyboard.
And the more we hear it sounds like Apple is taking a full OS and turning it into a mobile OS.
WebOS has an combo texting/IM app built-in and I don't find the experience sucky at all. In fact, quote the opposite. I like the having a single messaging app that essentially merges texts and IMs. No one I know IMs novels back and forth so using my thumbs to carry on a conversation isn't an issue.
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I think thats the approach of WP7 Mango too. I dont know how it is in WebOS exactly, but in WP7 I think it will have one messaging app that texts/messages to FB (Who needs iMessaging/BBM with 700million people to choose from?), txt, Live, etc.
Yeah, I forgot about that. In fact, I think iOS is the only one that required a PC for setup.
Smart phones have been doing it since they came into existence in the late 1990s, but when Apple does it in 2011, it's new and innovative
Who's saying it's new and innovative? People are just happy it's there.
Yes, Apple does copy things. But a lot of people are accusing Apple of copying features that are pretty obvious (lock screen notifications) and even stuff that was on Cydia before Android existed and yet no one accused Google of stealing that.
It's pretty silly also to say Apple copied the keyboard thing on the iPad when that was only shown a few days before.
While some people might defend absolutely everything Apple does a lot of people also criticize Apple for everything they do. Some of you guys are being just as biased as Apple "fanboys".
A few days ? That feature has been shown quite a bit before. For one thing, it's an Android app on the Android market and has been there for quite a while (it's at version 4.1, up over 50,000 downloads right now).
It's also been shown on year old Windows XP based tablets like the Samsung Q1 :
So please, pretty please, let's not pretend Apple did not get any inspiration for that one.
I think it stems from Apple's own hypocrisy in the matter. You don't see Google suing the hell out of everyone for "copying their design" or calling all other manufacturers copy-cats with big name dropping on slides in their keynotes :
Where's the Apple logo on that slide ?
I think that's why people have a tendency of being harsher when Apple copies something. It's not about bias, it's the hypocrisy of the whole thing. How can they play victim so much when they get copied and then turn around and copy stuff themselves ? How is that even viable and how can you stand there with a straight face in court and ask for "damages" because someone copied your idea after doing that ?
How can you even blame people for that ? It's quite arrogant on Apple's part to play "innocent victim" one keynote and then turn around and basically play the role of the copycat another (was there even 1 feature in iOS 5 that was an Apple original ?).
Nowhere. Because it doesn't belong there.
Apple just ripped into Android by implementing a similar notification system into their superior mobile OS.
You can scream "copycat" all you like but let's face it, karma's a bitch.
Really?
All the features in iOS 5 that are new this year are a straight copy from someone else. Not a heavily inspired but a near straight copy. Worse than the others have done. Apple did not even try to spin it. They just blatently copy it.
Apple should be the biggest logo on that picture.
I think the picture is more the list that Apple planned on coping from.
And I won't shed a tear. Fair play to Apple. No reason to spin it. It's time Apple "gives back" a little to the competition. If anything, the real reason to be upset about this is because how damaging this is to the competition Android et al.
Sucks when it's the usual copycats that are the one's that finally get burned, n'est-ce pas?
It's not that I have a problem with Apple copying ideas, it's that Apple will scream and kick like a spoiled little brat when anyone else copies them.
They need to walk the walk, and not just talk the talk.
Here are some examples:
Apple sues Samsung for copying
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A lot of the posters here at Macrumors use Apple products. Some have used Apple products since Apple's inception.
Some people here probably own Apple stock. Others probably use Macs for work. What you're saying is they don't have a right to come here and criticise a platform they're either A) invested in, B) considering switching to, C) programming for, etc. Posting here doesn't mean we have to accept everything Steve Jobs tells us.
Apple copied Android with their notification system. I'm fine with that. I'm not fine with Apple telling Redmond to "start their photocopiers." Honestly, there's only a few possible ways you can make a calendar or e-mail program look aesthetically. The integration of Desktop Search into the start menu was pretty well done.
Apple needs to get off its high horse, otherwise it will alienate the market. Such as suing one of their parts manufacturers because one of their phones kinda looks like an iPhone.
I been looking at some of the things Apple coped and looks like that messed them up in some ways.
Notifications a good copy of Android but the screw up is there are no little icons to tell you hey notifications is up there you might want to check. Those could of gone along the bottom or the top. Hell it just needs room for 3-4 little icons and it would of been fine.
iMessager a question we are going to have to wait and see on are people who share iTunes accounts between multiple phones since why should a husband and wife download the same thing twice. It could run into issues on that part as a iMessage that is supposed to go lets say the wife ends up going to the husband but that is a wait and see.
Notifications a good copy of Android but the screw up is there are no little icons to tell you hey notifications is up there you might want to check. Those could of gone along the bottom or the top. Hell it just needs room for 3-4 little icons and it would of been fine.
iMessager a question we are going to have to wait and see on are people who share iTunes accounts between multiple phones since why should a husband and wife download the same thing twice. It could run into issues on that part as a iMessage that is supposed to go lets say the wife ends up going to the husband but that is a wait and see.
I was wondering that myself. Since I haven't loaded the beta, I've not been able to discern how apple's implementation really works.