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Rodimus Prime

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I was wondering that myself. Since I haven't loaded the beta, I've not been able to discern how apple's implementation really works.

well since the icon are not there in the current beta it is safe to say that they are not going to be in there. From what I can see once Apple releases a beta it is feature locked and it is only bug checking and clean up. Best we can hopeful is they add that to iOS6 but I am not holding my breath on that.
 

ChazUK

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Rodimus Prime said:
I was wondering that myself. Since I haven't loaded the beta, I've not been able to discern how apple's implementation really works.

well since the icon are not there in the current beta it is safe to say that they are not going to be in there. From what I can see once Apple releases a beta it is feature locked and it is only bug checking and clean up. Best we can hopeful is they add that to iOS6 but I am not holding my breath on that.

By then We should have Ice Cream Sandwich released by Google with the "F" release of android due likely Q2 2012. Perhaps there will be some new ideas for iOS6 included in ICS? :D
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
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Quebec, Canada
Not only has Apple had "inspiration" from Android for a lot of the WWDC shown stuff, the PC Free thing is such a direct rip off of an app they rejected last year, they even saw fit to steal the icon design :

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/08/apple_copies_rejected_app/

wifi_sync_logos.jpg


Wifi Sync on the right, PC Free on the left. Year of the copy cats indeed. And they are suing Samsung for "violating" their "trademarks" on "icons" ? Wow, hypocrisy knows no bounds in Cupertino. These guys have no respect for the IP of others and scream like little girls when they are given the same treatment.
 

Ubuntu

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Jul 3, 2005
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Everything in the same place. One gesture does it all. You see everything at once. Seems the obvious thing to do. I used an early version of Lion back in March. I saw Launch Pad work and immediately recognized how simple and obvious a feature it was. In fact i felt much the same way when I saw the iPad demo back in early 2010.

It should have been implemented earlier but at least we've got it now.

I just find it unnecessary. They could've worked on something else with that time and resources. I mean I had like a hundred applications on my iMac and I had no issue with using spotlight or the applications folder with grid view...
 

anjinha

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Oct 21, 2006
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It's not that I have a problem with Apple copying ideas, it's that Apple will scream and kick like a spoiled little brat when anyone else copies them.

They need to walk the walk, and not just talk the talk.

And when Apple copies them they also sue Apple. All of those companies copy from each other and they all try to protect their ideas when they get copied from, it's not exclusive to Apple.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
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Quebec, Canada
And when Apple copies them they also sue Apple. All of those companies copy from each other and they all try to protect their ideas when they get copied from, it's not exclusive to Apple.

Links to lawsuit over "copying" designs by other vendors against Apple ?

I'm genuinely asking here. If there's any vendor that displays the same hypocrisy, they are as much worthy of ridicule as Apple is right now.
 

buckers

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Aug 18, 2010
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*LTD*, I fail to understand how you can like Apple so much that you defend not only things that can't be defended but also, in this case, things that don't even need to be defended.

I've never really used an Android device, but from what everyone else is posting, it seems Apple has taken their idea for notification management and implemented it on their own devices, with only minor nit-picky differences that come along with the software running on different operating systems. We're agreed that no-one thinks this is wrong, because we've all been craving for something like this on our iPhones for a while. But you can't tell me Apple deliberately implemented the feature because they wanted to get back at Google. No, they did it because they believed Google had it right and iOS was clearly lacking.

And also, I'm fairly sure Apple's implementation isn't vastly superior, as you make out in your posts. It's just that you believe, in your opinion, that iOS is vastly superior to Android (and everything else).

As far as I can tell, notifications on Android and iOS are very similar; Apple liked the idea and implemented it in their own way and said idea improves both Android and iOS on their respective devices. Same goes, in a minor way, for iMessage and BBM with RIM. They copied in that acceptable away which only irritates fanboys of other devices.
 

KnightWRX

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Jan 28, 2009
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They copied in that acceptable away which only irritates fanboys of other devices.

Again with this non-sense. It isn't the fact they copied that irritates people here. We're not Android/RIM fanboys, I don't own or have ever owned devices running those systems.

What irritates me is the hypocrisy of it all. Calling out your competitors as copy-cats and playing victim by suing the entire industry for copying your designs and then turning around and doing the same thing.

Hypocrisy. It's ugly. Why is it that we can't be critical of Apple unless we're some kind of fanboy of some other product ? Why can't we just be objective people with objective mindsets ? I do like some Apple products, I wouldn't hang around here or own them If I didn't. I often don't like or agree with Apple corporate. The reverse is true. Sometimes Apple corporate does moves I agree with. Sometimes they make products I don't quite like.
 

buckers

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Aug 18, 2010
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What irritates me is the hypocrisy of it all. Calling out your competitors as copy-cats and playing victim by suing the entire industry for copying your designs and then turning around and doing the same thing.

Totally agree. Often-times I think Apple (and of course, rivals) should be more lenient. After-all, when it comes to touch-screen mobile operating systems, there aren't an awful lot of different ways to design the UI; there is bound to be similarities and overlap between them.

I often think they're all as bad as each other, though. There's a new lawsuit every 5 minutes in the industry...
 

maflynn

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May 3, 2009
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They copied in that acceptable away which only irritates fanboys of other devices.
What about apple's iPad 2 media event where they basically called 2012 the year of the copy cats. Who knew that apple was the copycat and not the competition.

Apple acts all holier then though and continually tell us how they innovate but others copy. As KnightWRX stated, its not that they copied that has others here in this thread but rather the hypocrisy they exhibit
 

roadbloc

macrumors G3
Aug 24, 2009
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UK
Apple acts all holier then though and continually tell us how they innovate but others copy. As KnightWRX stated, its not that they copied that has others here in this thread but rather the hypocrisy they exhibit

+1. For me, it's not the fact that Apple have copied features off other devices that kinda annoys me about them, it's the fact that they gloated that they were the innovators of the industry and everyone else copied that is annoying. They have a bare faced cheek to do so and I think Google should give them a taste of their own medicine and sue their ass if they can.

But hey, I get Android's great notification system next iOS release, so as far as I am concerned, Apple can copy off Android as much as they want. I want Android's great features on my iPhone. Copy widgets next please Apple.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
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Canada
Wow. The likeness of those Wifi Sync icons are uncanny. :eek:

The icon looks like it was based on the icon for iSync.

Combine the wifi and sync icons already in OS X and you get the same thing. Wireless sync.

Aside from that, syncing via Wi-Fi is not a new idea, so the only way to determine if anything is being ripped off is to compare code.

Anyway, the guy came up with an iOS-level function that was in beta and his app was rejected. He should have known better.
 

KingCrimson

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Mar 12, 2011
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What about apple's iPad 2 media event where they basically called 2012 the year of the copy cats. Who knew that apple was the copycat and not the competition.

Apple acts all holier then though and continually tell us how they innovate but others copy. As KnightWRX stated, its not that they copied that has others here in this thread but rather the hypocrisy they exhibit

Let me know when any other company provides the technological equivalent of Airplay.
 

NT1440

macrumors Pentium
May 18, 2008
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Not only has Apple had "inspiration" from Android for a lot of the WWDC shown stuff, the PC Free thing is such a direct rip off of an app they rejected last year, they even saw fit to steal the icon design :

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/08/apple_copies_rejected_app/

wifi_sync_logos.jpg


Wifi Sync on the right, PC Free on the left. Year of the copy cats indeed. And they are suing Samsung for "violating" their "trademarks" on "icons" ? Wow, hypocrisy knows no bounds in Cupertino. These guys have no respect for the IP of others and scream like little girls when they are given the same treatment.

....Are you sure apple hasn't had a patent for wifi syncing for years now?

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...-talks-remote-streaming-syncing-squirting.ars

I'm not saying they definitely do, thats for the courts, but as you can see they've obviously been thinking about this for a while. Steve was even asked in an interview a few years ago about wifi syncing, this has been on everyones minds since the introduction of the iPhone.
 
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*LTD*

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TheSideshow said:
a idea is any idea... it's the execution that matters.

So what you're saying is that the ideas weren't executed on Android or WP7 or Blackberry? :rolleyes:

No, "execution" refers to the manner of implementation, especially how well a feature is implemented.
 

TheSideshow

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No, "execution" refers to the manner of implementation, especially how well a feature is implemented.

Is BBM not implemented well? I see it as a major selling point of Blackberry. Is the Android notification system not implemented well? I see it as the major selling point of Android. The implementation of WiFi sync seems to be exactly the same on iOS as WP7.
 

*LTD*

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TheSideshow said:
We'll find out when iOS 5 is released.

Okay, whatever. As if that means that other's didn't implement it well and Apple didnt copy the features.
You're truly delusional.

That's like saying the swim competition is over before Michael Phelps gets in the pool.

We've learned over the past decade that it's a good idea to wait and see what and how Apple does something before coming to any conclusions. Their skill when it comes to interfaces and most everything consumer tech is well-known.
 

thejadedmonkey

macrumors G3
May 28, 2005
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Let me know when any other company provides the technological equivalent of Airplay.
Um.. Look into DLNA. It's on all Android phones. You can also look into Intel's Wireless display technology, which is on a majority of consumer laptops. Apple just markets theirs more prominently, and has better branding.

Links to lawsuit over "copying" designs by other vendors against Apple ?

I'm genuinely asking here. If there's any vendor that displays the same hypocrisy, they are as much worthy of ridicule as Apple is right now.
The closest I can think of is Barnes and Noble vs Amazon, where the E-Ink displays lend to the same sort of designs. But they have kept things different enough and there's no lawsuits.
 

TheSideshow

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That's like saying the swim competition is over before Michael Phelps gets in the pool.

We've learned over the past decade that it's a good idea to wait and see what and how Apple does something before coming to any conclusions. Their skill when it comes to interfaces and most everything consumer tech is well-known.

We're not talking about a race or a competition. We're talking about copying features.

Its like if I came up with a feature, you saw it, and copied it and put it into your own item. No matter if you sold more, I sold more, or neither sold anything, whichever way you look at it you stole a feature.
 
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