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eba

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Exactly. Not everyone can justify spending $1.5K on a YouTube and Google Chrome machine. I gaurantee you that 99.99% of people who upgraded only use their ipad for Netflix. And the new screen on the new ipad isn't anything groundbreaking or out of this world amazing despite what some try to claim it to be. Samsung OLED screens in tablets have been out for years. Welcome to 2021 Apple.

The new ipad is just piss poor value. There is no way around that. There is nothing that it can do that my current M1 ipad can't do.

I may consider the upgrade in 2026 when Apple releases the M6 6 panel OLED screen with 3000 nits brightness. But then Apple will likely charge $3000 for the 11 Pro. :rolleyes:
I like mine.
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
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Talk about circular arguments that will never be won. Surely this thread has highlighted very clearly that the thread title is a subjective topic. For some the OLED screen is absolutely worth it. For others it’s not important at all.

People use their iPads very differently and some features are going to be more important than others depending on the individual. Not everyone buys a Pro iPad and that’s why Apple make alternatives.

This thread reminds me of the ‘iPad can replace a laptop’ thread where arguments just go round in circles with people using their own unique needs to tell others they are wrong and it’s been going on for a year or more with still no agreement lol.
 

NastyMatt

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Jul 7, 2020
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The new ipad is just piss poor value. There is no way around that. There is nothing that it can do that my current M1 ipad can't do.
I can have a video call in landscape mode, which an M1 iPad cannot natively do and that is of huge value to me.
 
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jterp7

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Oct 26, 2011
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unlocking while holding it vertically kinda sucks tbh. But thats my only complaint
 

NeonNights

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Jul 22, 2022
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I can have a video call in landscape mode, which an M1 iPad cannot natively do and that is of huge value to me.
The landscape camera position is definitely preferred on an iPad, but after watching a few comparison videos I noticed it's not as big of a deal for the smaller 11" sizes. The landscape camera is most noticeable in a meeting on the larger 12.9/13" versions. For the 11" size it actually isn't very drastic of a change.

Below is a comparison of the iPad Air with portrait camera vs iPad 10 with landscape camera, both in the 10.9" size. Sagi, from Tech Gear Talk, is looking straight at the screen in both cases and it isn't obvious that the Air has the camera on the side:

Screenshot 2024-06-04 at 10.34.52 AM.png
 

erasr

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Sep 18, 2007
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Exactly. Not everyone can justify spending $1.5K on a YouTube and Google Chrome machine. I gaurantee you that 99.99% of people who upgraded only use their ipad for Netflix. And the new screen on the new ipad isn't anything groundbreaking or out of this world amazing despite what some try to claim it to be. Samsung OLED screens in tablets have been out for years. Welcome to 2021 Apple.

The new ipad is just piss poor value. There is no way around that. There is nothing that it can do that my current M1 ipad can't do.

I may consider the upgrade in 2026 when Apple releases the M6 6 panel OLED screen with 3000 nits brightness. But then Apple will likely charge $3000 for the 11 Pro. :rolleyes:
It’s only £250 for 5 months on Amazon pay monthly (no finance).

I feel like I’ve had £250 worth already.

Obviously you don’t have the new iPad, otherwise you wouldn’t be saying it’s piss poor.

As someone who doesn’t really give a **** either way, I can tell you, it’s like the perfect iPad in every way. Watching HDR content is simply gorgeous.

Then the form factor, classic Apple quality, annihilating the competition.

By the way, who TF uses Google Chrome on an iPad?! 😂
 

NeonNights

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Jul 22, 2022
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It’s only £250 for 5 months on Amazon pay monthly (no finance).

I feel like I’ve had £250 worth already.

Obviously you don’t have the new iPad, otherwise you wouldn’t be saying it’s piss poor.

As someone who doesn’t really give a **** either way, I can tell you, it’s like the perfect iPad in every way. Watching HDR content is simply gorgeous.

Then the form factor, classic Apple quality, annihilating the competition.

By the way, who TF uses Google Chrome on an iPad?! 😂
I still have Chrome installed on my MBP and on previous iPhones and iPads. Safari is still my default browser in those cases but there have been times where Safari doesn't render something properly but the website works fine in Chrome. My wife and I had to submit some documents to my child's school but it wouldn't save changes in Safari. I am familiar enough with the Developer panel to force it to save under Safari, but it was easier to tell my wife to use Chrome. It's good to have options.
 
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Isengardtom

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Feb 14, 2009
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I can have a video call in landscape mode, which an M1 iPad cannot natively do and that is of huge value to me.
If there is one downside I would say about the iPad pro's hardware is that the front camera would have benefited from a bit of an upgrade. It's perfectly fine, but nothing amazing in terms of quality. The one on my M1 iMac looks sharper
 

DeepSix

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Feb 4, 2022
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It’s only £250 for 5 months on Amazon pay monthly (no finance).

I feel like I’ve had £250 worth already.

Obviously you don’t have the new iPad, otherwise you wouldn’t be saying it’s piss poor.

As someone who doesn’t really give a **** either way, I can tell you, it’s like the perfect iPad in every way. Watching HDR content is simply gorgeous.

Then the form factor, classic Apple quality, annihilating the competition.

By the way, who TF uses Google Chrome on an iPad?! 😂

The new ipad is poorly priced and its holds very poor value. Why would I buy it if I don't see much value in it other than a marginally better screen? Thinner, lighter and more bendable, I don't care for any of those. For $2K CAD I can go buy an OLED TV that will destroy the image quality on the new ipads. And still keep my M1 ipad. I buy things that provide good value to me.
 

sparksd

macrumors G3
Jun 7, 2015
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The new ipad is poorly priced and its holds very poor value. Why would I buy it if I don't see much value in it other than a marginally better screen? Thinner, lighter and more bendable, I don't care for any of those. For $2K CAD I can go buy an OLED TV that will destroy the image quality on the new ipads. And still keep my M1 ipad. I buy things that provide good value to me.

Super for you - don't buy one. All you do is rant on about them. And poor value holds for you but you can't apply that judgement to others.
 

ProbablyDylan

macrumors 68000
Mar 26, 2024
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The new ipad is poorly priced and its holds very poor value. Why would I buy it if I don't see much value in it other than a marginally better screen?

Value is subjective. If you do not see the value in the upgrades, great, don't buy it.

Thinner, lighter and more bendable, I don't care for any of those.

Great. Don't buy it.

For $2K CAD I can go buy an OLED TV that will destroy the image quality on the new ipads.

You're gonna carry around an OLED TV with you around the house or on the go? Can we watch?

I buy things that provide good value to me.

Great, so don't buy it.

It's a bad value for you, but plenty of other people see value where you do not.
 

NastyMatt

macrumors 6502a
Jul 7, 2020
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If there is one downside I would say about the iPad pro's hardware is that the front camera would have benefited from a bit of an upgrade. It's perfectly fine, but nothing amazing in terms of quality. The one on my M1 iMac looks sharper
Aren’t they the same? 1080p?

With centre stage I think it is great now (yes I know CS is on other devices).
 

WilliamG

macrumors G4
Mar 29, 2008
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Seattle
I'm impressed you can go back and forth. The blur from the IPS display when scrolling is... really hard. I'm loving the new 11" Pro, too, but I sold the 12.9 as the blur was too much for me personally. I know this sort of thing is super subjective, but I was hardly using it because the scrolling blur was making me crazy.
 
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Mirage4455

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Nov 8, 2022
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I'm impressed you can go back and forth. The blur from the IPS display when scrolling is... really hard. I'm loving the new 11" Pro, too, but I sold the 12.9 as the blur was too much for me personally. I know this sort of thing is super subjective, but I was hardly using it because the scrolling blur was making me crazy.
Perhaps your eyes are better than mine, I don‘t notice that at all! The one thing I do notice is the more yellowish screen on the new 11” vs a more bluish screen on the M1 12.9”, with true tone on. I must say that switching between the two the new one has a warmer feel to it, while the bluish M1 just seems a lot cooler, and I’m liking the new one more in that regard.
 
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crazynewf7

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Jan 2, 2018
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It's not just the pwm measures being awful. But also the grain, the screen causing nausea and sleepiness (lots of threads on Reddit covering this), the text being less crisp than the M1 ipads, the vibrating speakers, worse sound, quality control issues, panel lottery. The list goes on and on. It's a defective product that should be recalled.
For someone who is not interested in the new M4 iPads you certainlty spending a lot of energy and time on here taliking about them ha ha ha ha :) LOL maybe try finding something you are more interested in to comment on because a lot of people enjoy theirs and have none of these issues including me, sorry you feel left out and can‘t enjoy one at the moment ;) LOL
 

rkuo

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Sep 25, 2010
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Perhaps your eyes are better than mine, I don‘t notice that at all! The one thing I do notice is the more yellowish screen on the new 11” vs a more bluish screen on the M1 12.9”, with true tone on. I must say that switching between the two the new one has a warmer feel to it, while the bluish M1 just seems a lot cooler, and I’m liking the new one more in that regard.
Anecdotally it seems like the LED backlights Apple uses tend to run cooler color temperatures as they age. New displays are more accurately calibrated by virtue of just being new.
 

richard371

macrumors 68040
Feb 1, 2008
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The new ipad is poorly priced and its holds very poor value. Why would I buy it if I don't see much value in it other than a marginally better screen? Thinner, lighter and more bendable, I don't care for any of those. For $2K CAD I can go buy an OLED TV that will destroy the image quality on the new ipads. And still keep my M1 ipad. I buy things that provide good value to me.
Congrats.
 

WilliamG

macrumors G4
Mar 29, 2008
10,007
3,894
Seattle
Perhaps your eyes are better than mine, I don‘t notice that at all! The one thing I do notice is the more yellowish screen on the new 11” vs a more bluish screen on the M1 12.9”, with true tone on. I must say that switching between the two the new one has a warmer feel to it, while the bluish M1 just seems a lot cooler, and I’m liking the new one more in that regard.
It’s so interesting how we perceive things so differently as humans. 😅
 

Mirage4455

macrumors newbie
Nov 8, 2022
25
17
Anecdotally it seems like the LED backlights Apple uses tend to run cooler color temperatures as they age. New displays are more accurately calibrated by virtue of just being new.
Interesting. Do you know if OLED screens suffer the same fate?
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,311
25,461
Wales, United Kingdom

That wouldn’t be worth it to me. My LCD iPad Air has a really good quality screen that I am happy with but can appreciate others may desire an OLED screen. This is a totally subjective topic and people here don’t seem to get it.

There is no right or wrong answer as to what is worth an upgrade or not, because we all have different opinions on what we place value on. I remember the fuss over OLED on iPhones and ProMotion a few years ago. People got really snobby and argumentative suggesting standard iPhone were ‘unusable’ and a stuttering mess. Fast forward a few years and most of us are using these features and not really giving a toss.
 
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OSXphoto

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Dec 23, 2013
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Have had it for two days and there's really no understating how great the screen looks like.

Spouse and I have been joking it feels like "the opposite of a 3D screen" cause you feel like you could literally jump or fall into the screen as if it were a portal.

It's worth it for the display alone, never mind the form factor, weight or new M4 chip.

My first iPad was the og iPad 2 and haven't had one at all since pre-pandemic, but so glad I jumped back in. I love the new iPad Pro.
Just took a visit to Apple Store. Compared 11” to 13”. Safari content doesn’t scale on the 13”. I get white space left and right. Might be good for potential buyers to be aware of.
 
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