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Cirillo Gherardo

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Uh OK. Let us all know when you figure out a way to infinitely use your phone in bright sunlight without generating/absorbing lots of heat. I won't hold my breath.
:rolleyes: Yeah uh...you use it briefly, and put it away before it overheats, which takes a considerable amount of time. This isn't complicated.
 

th1nk

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I get that tech updates, but they could throw us a bone and give us like 50 bucks to recycle our old MKB's if we are specifically buying an upgrade replacement; these sucks are 350 bucks worth of useless metal and plastic
sell it on ebay. here in Germany we have another service called rebuy which will buy back used electronics with no hassle. I just looked and you get like 100 bucks if it is in very good condition. as they are still compatible with iPad Air, selling them won‘t be a problem I assume.
 

rkuo

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:rolleyes: Yeah uh...you use it briefly, and put it away before it overheats, which takes a considerable amount of time. This isn't complicated.
You say it isn't complicated, and in the same breath say "infinitely usable" means "you put it away after a bit to cool it down". OK, you win, I'm not arguing with you.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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1. That's not up to you. That's for the market to decide.
2. That's a ridiculous and disingenuous exaggeration of how this device is used, even if it is "just" a consumption device.

Of course the market decides and in all categories the more cost effective products have wider appeal. That’s not a new thing and it’s driven by what the market decides is the most competitive product for the price.

Disingenuous? It’s exactly what I use my iPad for and I was open and honest about that. Do you think I really use my iPad as my laptop and am making all this up or something?
 

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1000 nits standard brightness (still 1600 HDR). = This is the only benefit I see. Even then at 1000nits, it's still not usable in bright sunlight, so whats the point? Should be 2000nits minimum.

yes it is tried it yesterday 11" , have you?
 

The-Real-Deal82

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“If the Pro was aimed at casual users then it would have been priced competitively“ is an objective statement not speaking about personal preferences. I’ve been clear from the start that anyone who wants an Air is not making a bad choice, but unlike in previous years, anyone choosing this 2024 Pro model instead can be making a good choice because the upgrades are more than pro and computational ones. Oh, just like the title of my thread!

Casual users on the whole do not spend £1500 on an iPad for consumption, some do, most absolutely do not. The proof of that is in the existence of standard iPads and Airs which sell very well.

My opinion is if Apple was aiming the Pro iPads at casual, none productive users, they certainly would have priced it competitively. They haven’t and have kept the price higher than some MacBooks, hence the selective audience they are going for.
 

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But the 11" Pro is 11% lighter than the previous gen M1. Hardly an improvement worth buying for. Unless you carry both gens around in each hand and are looking for it, you won't notice any benefit. I guess less arm strain?
do you have both? it's noticeable.
 

Surfsalot

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I could never have a iPhone with FID and a iPad with TID
So pro it is.
If they didn't nuke the speakers probably would of kept the 11"
 

DeepSix

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do you have both? it's noticeable.

No I don't. I can tell from watching the YouTube videos that it's not noticeable enough for me to justify the upgrade. I'm not willing to pay close to $2, 000CAD for a slightly brighter screen. That's after I factor in the new pencil and having to rebuy my keyboard case again. It's just a waste of money.

I don't really care for OLED on my iPad since I don't watch movies on it. My main phone is OLED and better than the M4 iPad as it goes up to 1750 nits. But I also never spent anything close to $2,000 on it. I have better screens than the M4 iPad at home. And my phone is better quality too.

If I was to buy a new iPad today I would go for the new air. 60% of the cost of the M4. And you get 95% of it. Much better value. There's already a bunch of YouTube videos who are covering this same topic that the new air is a much better value. I can't get over the huge price difference between the air and the pro this gen.

Plus I would rather have regular LCD because no risk of burn in and you get a much longer shelf life. I don't want to be having to worry just after your warranty expires that your OLED panels on your new M4 burned in.
 
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No I don't. I can tell from watching the YouTube videos that it's not noticeable enough for me to justify the upgrade. I'm not willing to pay close to $2, 000CAD for a slightly brighter screen. That's after I factor in the new pencil and having to rebuy my keyboard case again. It's just a waste of money.

I don't really care for OLED on my iPad since I don't watch movies on it. My main phone is OLED and better than the M4 iPad as it goes up to 1750 nits. But I also never spent anything close to $2,000 on it. I have better screens than the M4 iPad at home. And my phone is better quality too.

If I was to buy a new iPad today I would go for the new air. 60% of the cost of the M4. And you get 95% of it. Much better value. There's already a bunch of YouTube videos who are covering this same topic that the new air is a much better value. I can't get over the huge price difference between the air and the pro this gen.

Plus I would rather have regular LCD because no risk of burn in and you get a much longer shelf life. I don't want to be having to worry just after your warranty expires that your OLED panels on your new M4 burned in.
you said it's not usable in the sun it is, if you don't have one you can't comment on that
the/end

re burn in your phone will get to then if you believe that
 

jonnyb098

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Totally fine, but Apple is the wealthiest company in the world with the wealthiest customer base. And any casual user with the $ who wants to spend it on the Pro is making a good choice.

Thats my argument: I’m not saying you particularly are making a bad choice saving money going for the Air, I’m saying anyone that can spend $ on the Pro (read: majority of Apples customer base), can rationally choose the Pro, even if they’re a hyper-casual user. That has NOT been the case with previous releases, last gens, or with Air to Pro jumps as no iPad Pro has been as overwhelmingly good as the 2024 model.

Conclusion: the new awesome features are so ubiquitous that it has something to appeal to anyone with the disposable income who wants one, being a Pro or nonpro is irrelevant.
That’s not really a valid argument. Especially in 2024 where everyone including Apple is encouraging using credit cards or buy now, pay later schemes. Most can’t truly afford apple products along with lots of other stuff. The amount of people maxed out or in default on their credit cards is the highest in over a decade. People have been living off cards since inflation started running rampant.
 

DeepSix

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you said it's not usable in the sun it is, if you don't have one you can't comment on that
the/end

re burn in your phone will get to then if you believe that

I'm reading on Reddit that there's no way to manually set your brightness on M4 iPad. So you can't manually set when you want it to be at 1000 nits. Well then what's the point of having it?

And if it auto dims like any iPhone does when it gets hot, then it completely eliminates the benefit of having a 1000 nit screen.
 
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aurora_sect

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That’s not really a valid argument. Especially in 2024 where everyone including Apple is encouraging using credit cards or buy now, pay later schemes. Most can’t truly afford apple products along with lots of other stuff. The amount of people maxed out or in default on their credit cards is the highest in over a decade. People have been living off cards since inflation started running rampant.
And even those who "truly can" afford it might just not think the OLED screen is worth an extra $400. I haven't paid a dime of credit card interest in at least 15 years. I am quite familiar with Apple products and have a pretty good idea what to expect from them so I read the specs on the new iPads and ordered the 11" M2 Air. I checked out the new Pros at the Apple store last week and felt no remorse. Did I fail to perform some action that might have convinced me otherwise? Maybe. Does it matter? No. It feels a bit indulgent to have an iPad at all when I already have a Mac, iPhone, Watch, and PC laptop. Can I afford to "overpay" $400 for a new iPad and get maybe half that back in perceived marginal utility? Yes I can. I even do overpay sometimes--such as on the Studio Display that I feel is overpriced but just has no real viable substitute, and darn it, I just plain wanted the thing badly enough to pay $1600 for it.

But I also believe that our spending habits have a huge cumulative effect in the long run, and being in the habit of not spending more than I "need" (in quotes because I actually don't "need" an iPad at all) will save me $400 here, $200 there, etc. and result in an earlier retirement.

I understand that it's implicit that virtually everything being said here is an opinion, we don't need to add "IMO" to every statement and I really don't mind if someone says they don't understand how some people can't appreciate a $400 OLED upgrade as "worth it." But it crosses the line to say that everyone who says they don't think it's worth it is really just jealous that they can't afford it. In my corner of the culture, people like that are considered insecure jerks who need to knock others just to feel better about themselves.
 

ReallyBigFeet

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lol the OLED is a very minor upgrade at best. Many on here have already claimed it to be minor. But keep trying to justify your purchase. Why would anyone be jealous in you having a product that isn't much better than what they already have?

Given that you took the time to reply, I’d say my message found it’s mark.

Seriously, this is for once “The Best iPad Ever.” The OLED argument has been had for ages with monitors, phone screens, Nintendo Switch, SteamDeck, etc….those who really value the best screens go OLED. Those who are OK with good, but not the best, screens don’t.
 

DeepSix

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Given that you took the time to reply, I’d say my message found it’s mark.

Seriously, this is for once “The Best iPad Ever.” The OLED argument has been had for ages with monitors, phone screens, Nintendo Switch, SteamDeck, etc….those who really value the best screens go OLED. Those who are OK with good, but not the best, screens don’t.

My first OLED device was 8 years ago, Well before OLED even become affordable for most people. So i'm very familiar with OLED. Yes it's the best picture possible but it still has issues.

That one device I had eventually had burn in, just after the warranty expired. The device all of a sudden became worthless, as in worth almost nothing because of the defect. I literally had to sell it for peanuts.

Burn in on OLED is still a concern. Give it some time after the M4 iPad honeymoon passes. In a year's time or less, we will hear all about people who have the M4 iPads and spent thousands and thousands of dollars on it. Only to have burn in and their device is out of warranty.

Try selling any display device with burn in, I wouldn't want to be one of those people again. You get almost next to nothing for it. I've been in those shoes before and I'm not willing to risk wasting money again. I'm willing to pay for a much brighter screen but not an OLED screen.

Especially on a device that is one already overpriced and two something I don't need. Whereas regular LED tech is bulletproof at this point. That would explain why none of my computer monitors or my laptops or TVs are OLED. And I have over 10 display devices.

And again if I was to buy a new iPad today, I would either get the new air. Or I would get the M2 iPad pro mini LED and save a good chunk of money.
 
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kard32

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Given that you took the time to reply, I’d say my message found it’s mark.

Seriously, this is for once “The Best iPad Ever.” The OLED argument has been had for ages with monitors, phone screens, Nintendo Switch, SteamDeck, etc….those who really value the best screens go OLED. Those who are OK with good, but not the best, screens don’t.
Every new iPad Pro is literally always the best iPad ever.
 
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jonnyb098

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And even those who "truly can" afford it might just not think the OLED screen is worth an extra $400. I haven't paid a dime of credit card interest in at least 15 years. I am quite familiar with Apple products and have a pretty good idea what to expect from them so I read the specs on the new iPads and ordered the 11" M2 Air. I checked out the new Pros at the Apple store last week and felt no remorse. Did I fail to perform some action that might have convinced me otherwise? Maybe. Does it matter? No. It feels a bit indulgent to have an iPad at all when I already have a Mac, iPhone, Watch, and PC laptop. Can I afford to "overpay" $400 for a new iPad and get maybe half that back in perceived marginal utility? Yes I can. I even do overpay sometimes--such as on the Studio Display that I feel is overpriced but just has no real viable substitute, and darn it, I just plain wanted the thing badly enough to pay $1600 for it.

But I also believe that our spending habits have a huge cumulative effect in the long run, and being in the habit of not spending more than I "need" (in quotes because I actually don't "need" an iPad at all) will save me $400 here, $200 there, etc. and result in an earlier retirement.

I understand that it's implicit that virtually everything being said here is an opinion, we don't need to add "IMO" to every statement and I really don't mind if someone says they don't understand how some people can't appreciate a $400 OLED upgrade as "worth it." But it crosses the line to say that everyone who says they don't think it's worth it is really just jealous that they can't afford it. In my corner of the culture, people like that are considered insecure jerks who need to knock others just to feel better about themselves.
Very true points. I feel guilty even having spent $700 on my last iPad upgrade even after trade in….this time it would be about $1000 because I need to buy all new pencil and cover. if I did the keyboard too make that an extra $1300…..after $470 trade in…. 😒
 
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Cirillo Gherardo

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Of course the market decides and in all categories the more cost effective products have wider appeal. That’s not a new thing and it’s driven by what the market decides is the most competitive product for the price.

Disingenuous? It’s exactly what I use my iPad for and I was open and honest about that. Do you think I really use my iPad as my laptop and am making all this up or something?
You reducing down the consumption side of iPad to ”watching YouTube” is disingenuous, yes.
 

Cricketman

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Anyone else oscillating between getting a cheapo base Air (13”) and a souped up, 1TB nano texture device, maybe with cellular?

I have an m2 MacBook Air. If I have serious work, I’m going to use that at home. I’m a radiologist, so at work I have a triple monitor display PC that I have to use anyway. The iPad would just be a secondary screen, for fun and to read journal articles (is what I will tell myself) but actually mostly to browse the internet, Netflix on trips. I hope to be able to ditch my laptop on international trips.

I saw it side by side. The air looked choppy when scrolling but in isolation I think it would be fine. Sometimes I feel like I missed out by not getting a MBP when I got my laptop last year - I’m always reaching to increase the brightness and I feel like things aren’t as crisp as they could be. However, this is just a secondary screen for casual use around the house and on planes… so does it matter?

Re cellular: meh… would be nice to have. Would be nice to not be under the sneaky eyes of my hospital WiFi at work.

Someone help me out 😅
 
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