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Hello Meagain:

You wrote:
"Broke the LCD temperature sensor port."

Which Cable/Port do you mean?

27" iMacs 2011 Displays have four cables, as you may notice in ifixit fotos:
1. Vertical Syc Cable on the upper left corner (Ifixit Step 5)
2. LED Backlight Driver Cable on the left (ifixit Step 6)
3. Display Data Cable ZIF Connector in the Middle (ifixit Step 7)
4. Display Power Cable next to 3. (ifixit Step 8)

No Temperature Sensor Cable to HDD in 27" iMac 2011

RGT Skin?
ODD Temp?

Please send a foto.
It should be pssible to solder it. You by yourself of by service.
Greetings G
 
I may have overlooked it but is there a fix for the dust issue? I optimistically thought I'd just "seal it" after cleaning (if/when) but seems unlikely. Could more tape be added to seal the display?
 
I'm about to have my display replaced for the third and final time. This is a "courtesy repair" and the display will not be replaced again. I talked with Apple Executive Customer Relations, and the finding was essentially that it's caused by the environment. In my case, they said the humidity in Ohio is too high and causes this issue with the display. She also noted that both dehumidifiers and humidifiers cause this issue, which obviously makes little sense.

I noted that I had moved from Ohio to Illinois since my last display failure, but I suspect the same root cause will come back from engineering.

The thing lives in a clean non-smoking home with air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter. These aren't unusual conditions. Every other computer on the market can handle them without issue. :mad: If your machines can't operate in Ohio without voiding the warranty, you shouldn't be selling them in Ohio.
 
It seems to be the policy of apple and service partners, to shift the responsibility of smudging from dust-catching constructions to customers environmental conditions, and at last, there is no difference between all the apple-theories, they are simply not true and only difficult to refute.

Look in this thread beginning at page seven, where I tried to explain the construction deficit.
G.

In this moment I read in the german magazine "Der Spiegel": Apple's Handbook "Genius Training" says: There are no problems, just "situations", and so on. Look at:

http://gizmodo.com/5938323/how-to-be-a-genius-this-is-apples-secret-employee-training-manual

Things You're Not Allowed to Say...
 
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NOT an environmental issue!

Hi,

I run a small research lab at a University and have 1 dozen 21" iMacs of the 2010 and 2011 model years. One of the 2011 models has come down with this symptom after about 12 months (none of the 8X 2010 models).

But here's the kicker: the one with the smudgy screen problem sits RIGHT NEXT to one built the same week (and delivered on the same day). They have never been moved, are in the same environments, are used the same amount each day, and are about 6 inches away from each other!!

Environmental factors....mmmm based on this example, not so much.

-iamthinking
 
It seems to be the policy of apple and service partners, to shift the responsibility of smudging from dust-catching constructions to customers environmental conditions, and at last, there is no difference between all the apple-theories, they are simply not true and only difficult to refute.

Look in this thread beginning at page seven, where I tried to explain the construction deficit.
G.

In this moment I read in the german magazine "Der Spiegel": Apple's Handbook "Genius Training" says: There are no problems, just "situations", and so on. Look at:

http://gizmodo.com/5938323/how-to-be-a-genius-this-is-apples-secret-employee-training-manual

Things You're Not Allowed to Say...

So the secret manual of Genius is about psychological human behaviors and responses rather than technical expertise to solve the problems .. or situations? Genius! :rolleyes:

Like I said, secret tips you can get from a Genius today most likely would be: reboot, reset, restore, reinstall .. yea right :rolleyes:. Other than that they'll scratch your head and tell you that they'd need some time to "evaluate your product."

That's what you get from a company that playing with toys way too much :D
 
Thank you for your guidance!

Because of the tutorial and the photos I was able to clean the dusty screen of my iMac! It was much less hard than I thought it would be.
:)
As I was opening the hole case anyway I cleaned the dust inside (there was quite a lot...) and disassembled the insides to install a ssd with the help of this tutorial http://www.twam.info/hardware/apple/installing-additional-ssd-in-mid-2010-27-imac. This was quite a bit of additional work.
But it was worth it and now I have a super shiny, super fast iMac 27''!

Thanks again!
assuna
 
Replaced by Apple for free!

Hi all,
I have a Mid-2010 iMac 27" with the infamous dust in the screen.

The dust started to appear few weeks after the warranty ended (bought in november 2010, warranty ended in november 2011). Since then, I could only watch the invasion of the dust that now, one year later, occupies almost half of the screen.

I was unsure whether to try to clean it by myself after reading this awesome thread (thank you all!), or just leave it as it is.

Today I went to the local Apple Store (I am based in Italy, store of Bologna) because of another problem at the hard disk. As soon as the Genius guy looked at the screen, he said that Apple would replace it for free because it is a recognized defect of production. Surprise! :)

It is dust that enters from the right side, said the guy. Affected iMacs are the Mid-2010 and later ones.

I am glad that Apple finally recognizes this problem as a "problem". As far as I know, until now it was impossible to get a new screen for free.

Now, the only bad news is that replacing the 1 TB hard disk will cost 210 €, a lot. For curiosity, I asked whether is possible to mount an SSD instead of the hard disk or in addition to it. The guy replied no, they are authorized to replace only, because the SATA connector is a little different and that would mean a modification to the computer. But it is possible with the right connector, right? He replied "I don't know". I smiled and he smiled too. ;-)

Hope this helps the owners of iMac with dusty screens!

Ciao
Marco
 
Is there a way to find out whether this defect is now recognized at Apple Stores everywhere? Here in New Jersey, I was refused a new screen when I walked in two months past the 12-month-warranty period...this was about 11 months ago. I still have not had the courage to clean the screen myself, but keep looking back in this thread for user experiences...

Henrik
 
My dirty display experience

It was nice to find this thread about the display issues so many are having. I purchased my late 2009 iMac 27' in April 2010 and the display showed signs of dust within months. I have AppleCare so I wasn't in a big hurry to get it replaced at first and waited just over a year before making my first visit to the Genius bar.

At that time I was told it was what they were calling "shadowing" and it would only continue to get worse. This was obvious to me as I watched the display get extremely bad in the first year. They explained it was the liquid crystals actually bursting that was causing this. We all know this is not the case. They replaced it without any hassle that day.

That was in April 2011, the new display didn't get dirty as quickly or nearly as bad as the first one but it did get dirty. I had two streaks at the top center coming in at angles as if it wasn't sealed in these spots. These were the darkest but it was noticeable across the entire top of the display that dirt was getting in.

I took it back in this week to have the hard drive replaced under their program and to have the display replaced again. They had the same "we've never seen this before" attitude this time around also. The female Genius helping me was asking her male coworker stupid questions about what he thought it was. He asked if I smoked which I don't, then he ask her my warranty status and when she said I was under warranty he told her just replace it.

Once again I have a beautiful display but for how long? I have about five months left on my applecare so I will be watching closely for signs of dust. I really feel for the people that don't have applecare and have to live with this problem. I hate the fact that Apple won't officially recognize the problem and has their employees lie to us as we bring in our computers.
 
cleaning dust

I have an iMac / 2011. My display was replaced during the warranty, because it became darker and darker. Within a year it starts to show the same symptoms again.

I read on a forum about the fan and the dust inside. I would love to be able to clean my iMac regularly, but I can't and don't dare.

I don't know anything about computers and such stuff. I am a primitive user.
At dispair I undertook something only a woman would do (that's what I am): I took the vacuum cleaner and I put the BRUSH of the vacuum claner on the above and below opening, especially in the upper left corner. I did what I am good at (except the law): cleaning in the simple, primitive way in the hope to help the fan a bit tu get the dust off the iMac. I intend to do it regularly, by the way.

I think it works somehow. Not astonishingly much, but the screen is now a bit brighter. I have to call Apple again.
If you are at dispair like me, give it a try.
Who knows? Christmas is coming. A miracle would be nice.

P.S. I was so stupid to sell my previous alluminium iMac, which was and more beautiful and better.
 
I have an iMac / 2011. My display was replaced during the warranty, because it became darker and darker. Within a year it starts to show the same symptoms again.

I read on a forum about the fan and the dust inside. I would love to be able to clean my iMac regularly, but I can't and don't dare.

I don't know anything about computers and such stuff. I am a primitive user.
At dispair I undertook something only a woman would do (that's what I am): I took the vacuum cleaner and I put the BRUSH of the vacuum claner on the above and below opening, especially in the upper left corner. I did what I am good at (except the law): cleaning in the simple, primitive way in the hope to help the fan a bit tu get the dust off the iMac. I intend to do it regularly, by the way.

I think it works somehow. Not astonishingly much, but the screen is now a bit brighter. I have to call Apple again.
If you are at dispair like me, give it a try.
Who knows? Christmas is coming. A miracle would be nice.

P.S. I was so stupid to sell my previous alluminium iMac, which was and more beautiful and better.

I read somewhere not to use a vacuum on your electronics due to it generating static electricity.
 
Affected iMacs are the Mid-2010 and later ones.

My Late-2009 had this problem and Apple just replaced the screen for free (two years out of warranty). I suggest everyone call Apple Care first before trying DIY repairs :)
 
@gerzeg: Where did you go for the replacement, and is there a specific wording that would be required to point out the replacement policy to whoever you talk to at the Apple Store?
Thanks, Henrik
 
I would like to know how you did that too, gerzeg. Just called Apple and was told (by an automated system) it would cost me $20 just to talk to a support agent since my warranty and Apple Care has expired. Really? $20 to tell me that they won't fix it? Pass!!!!

Time to break out the tool kit and see if I can get this fixed myself.

BTW, 27" iMac 2.66GHz Core i5 , purchased new just over 2 years ago. Black/gray smudging on the left to left center of the screen. Non smoker, very clean environment, no candles. The smudging has been getting progressively worse over time. Non existent when I start up the computer. Starts to appear after about 10 minutes. Gets REALLY bad after it wakes from the screen saver. Gradually fades a bit but never goes away until the machine has had a chance to cool off over night. Next day it starts all over again. My guess is heat and static causing dust and other particles to collect. Why it goes away over night is a mystery to me. I will try to post a photo later on.
 
@HenrikS, RMTPHOTO

I simply called the Apple Care number (which they say costs money if you're out of warranty, but it didn't). I described the issue and it was clear that the person I was talking to knew immediately what the problem was. I was then asked to send photos of the problem and then told to take it to an authorized Apple service center to get fixed for free. There is no official/public recall or replacement policy that I'm aware of though. This is in Europe with quite strict consumer protection laws, so your results may vary depending on your location.
 
I have the same issue with dimming on the left side of the screen and smudges under the glass. Even though my imac 27 is still under warranty, the guys at the Genius Bar said Apple is covering this problem for imac 27's that are no longer under warranty too.
Apple guy said it was due to LED contamination. Just because your iMac is out of warranty, looks like they're still fixing the screen problem for free.
 
Fans run at full speed

First of all thank you oggy so much, you are the man

Second I clean 2 iMac 2010 & 2011 both after cleaning and attached well with no damage, fans run at full speed, all fans run at full speed, none of my sensores has any problems because when I get to recovery mode Fans work correctly, oggy can you just answer my question and make me happy like before ? I do smc reset but no hope, I open motherboard and attched again well

Thank you so much
 
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I am new to MacRumors

Additional Info :

CPU Temp : 33 C
CPU Fan Speed : 0 RPM !!!!
ODD HDD FAN And Temp -> Normal

I must replace both logic board or can I fix it ?
 
U must have missed one of the cables when you were connecting them back! Probably the LCD temp cable. (I hope you didn't damage the connectors) Check the ifixit 27" iMac teardown.
 
I have the same issue with dimming on the left side of the screen and smudges under the glass. Even though my imac 27 is still under warranty, the guys at the Genius Bar said Apple is covering this problem for imac 27's that are no longer under warranty too.
Apple guy said it was due to LED contamination. Just because your iMac is out of warranty, looks like they're still fixing the screen problem for free.

that's great to hear... really hope that's true.
so it's got nothing to with dust accumulation? that's what they told me when it happened to me last; even asking me if I smoked or lived in a 'very dusty' environment... as if it were somehow my fault; I'm a non-smoker, working in a clean, non-smoking office. Forcing a 'valued' customer into the defensive: nasty experience.

Anyhow, I have the same problem, again: a large 'stain' - looks like a long, greyish-brown streak - behind the glass of my late 2009 imac 27 inch screen. It is the exact same issue that occurred in 2011: discolouration, 'stain' or 'smudge' on right hand side.

Back then, it was also on the right hand side of the screen - exact same spot as far as I can recall. Maintenance was carried out: screen was replaced, still under Applecare, no charge (for a cost of 1,138 CAD).
Last month however, my warranty ran out, and the problem reappeared last week... was contemplating removing the glass plate.

Hope I'll get some good news from Apple (I'm in Canada, no idea if that policy applies here too) and they will replace it (once more). This would be the third time: first for the smudge, second the replaced screen had to be replaced since the replacement display had a crack in it...

It's driving me bonkers...
 
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that's great to hear... really hope that's true.
so it's got nothing to with dust accumulation? that's what they told me when it happened to me last; even asking me if I smoked or lived in a 'very dusty' environment... as if it were somehow my fault; I'm a non-smoker, working in a clean, non-smoking office. Forcing a 'valued' customer into the defensive: nasty experience.

The Apple guy called it something but I can't remember what the exact term. He did call it LED contamination but the Genius Bar guy said even out of warranty issues of this type are covered under something like, (paraphrasing), "quality usability standards".
Even if it is dust, Apple knows they erred by allowing dust to get in there.

People may be getting turned away from the free repair by the wrong Apple person. For example, when I first walked in, I got the line that I need the serial number, to see if it's even covered. When I finally made it back to the guy at the Genius Bar, he told me what I stated above. Before I even finished my sentence to the Genius Bar guy, he finished my sentence by saying 27", right?".
It seems to me like they're treating the issue like one of those voluntary auto recalls.

If they tell you "No", find the Apple employee that know's that "Yes" is the correct response. I recommend a face to face with someone at their Genius Bar.
 
The Apple guy called it something but I can't remember what the exact term. He did call it LED contamination but the Genius Bar guy said even out of warranty issues of this type are covered under something like, (paraphrasing), "quality usability standards".
Even if it is dust, Apple knows they erred by allowing dust to get in there.

People may be getting turned away from the free repair by the wrong Apple person. For example, when I first walked in, I got the line that I need the serial number, to see if it's even covered. When I finally made it back to the guy at the Genius Bar, he told me what I stated above. Before I even finished my sentence to the Genius Bar guy, he finished my sentence by saying 27", right?".
It seems to me like they're treating the issue like one of those voluntary auto recalls.

If they tell you "No", find the Apple employee that know's that "Yes" is the correct response. I recommend a face to face with someone at their Genius Bar.

Victory! You were absolutely right. :D

After setting up an appointment through Applecare, the guy at the Genius bar authorized a free replacement of the LCD for an Out of Warranty iMac under the mysterious "Quality Program" - I have it on black and white (actually crossing out the $764 fee).
Although he does recommend a 'cleaning of the LCD screen' before the replacement to see if that solves it - but this won't do a thing. They did that in 2011 as well: first have a 'dust cleaning,' then call me to say my machine was fixed, I go pick it up only to find out back home that the problem is still there. Then haul the thing back and have them replace it... hope this won't happen now, I will have to insist on a proper replacement, given that it only clearly shows when the machine has been running for a while, producing heat.

As to the cause, he did not say anything, a little evasive even. He was at least honest enough as to say he had 'no idea', and that only the engineers really know what's going on. Which is a basically an admission that something is flawed at the basic level of design. No long spiel about 'environmental factors' this time.

Here's the rundown of diagnosis, as they handed it to me:

"Issue: customer stated he can see a strange anomaly on his screen that looks like a stain on the LCD's right side.
Steps to reproduce: Verified the issue visually. Large streak down the right side. Used alight background and could see it.
Proposed Resolution: Try cleaning the LCD screen as suggested in gsx first, if this does not resolve the issue then proceed with a replacement."

Only downside is that they did not have the part in stock, but it's been put on order. Might have to miss the machine for a week, so I'll get some good use out my old laptop. But I don't want to keep dragging that thing along, so I left it there. I've got most of my stuff on Dropbox, so no biggie.
Only thing that concerns me is whether that problem will pop again after a while with the replaced part.

Anyhow, yes, there is hope! Just ask for the "Quality Program" when you have this issue ;) Thanks all for this fantastic thread - give Apple a try before opening up your machine.
 
oops, spoke too soon. To good to be true... :eek:

Just got a call from another Apple Genius that the "Quality Program" runs out after 3 years after date of purchase, which happens to be 19 Nov 2009. Go figure. They make the distinction between 'Apple care' and this 'Quality Program' - although the invoice clearly states I'm out of warranty anyhow, and the cost is listed as 0.

Made the promise to replace the screen gratis, now rescinds it.

However, since my LCD was replaced in 2011, I could technically claim it is still under 'Quality Program' is what I replied, since now it seems they replaced it with a faulty LCD.

Urgh.

Gave him an earful, some 'genius' manager will call me back.

Will keep you posted.

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update: after a lot of back and forth, Apple has agreed to replace it for free. The manager also assured me the replacement screen would never have the same issue ever again, since apparently they are now replacing the LCD's with different ones. No idea how accurate that is however - I have serious doubts.
 
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