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JM

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there's plenty of reasons to buy an ipad just not upgrade that often
I use an iPad for show watching in bed almost every night. It’s a good investment in that regard… no need for Apple Pencil.

Just a solid device with good enough screen.

Though that $329 price was a whole heck of a lot more attractive a few years ago :/
 

NeonNights

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As a 14 inch MBP user...no. Ports are miles better than dongles, especially since I plug into HDMI a lot and have SD cards I have read. Plus having magsafe back I have more ports free'd. USB-C is better, but losing a port for a display is not.



There was this one bozo on Twitter capping for the first gen Apple Pencil, saying the complaints about the charging were a "non-issue." I swear to god I'm gonna become the Joker in regards to iPad users at this rate.
To be clear, I'm not a fan of dongles per se but don't mind having to use them. Yes, a display port and SD card reader would always be welcome. At the same time, port specs change too and USBc offers greater versatility. My old MBP is awesome for including all the common ports at the time but that old fixed HDMI port can't transmit 4k 60Hz HDR, but with USBc hubs/adapters/docks you can add the latest versions of HDMI or DisplayPort or old VGA if needed, SD card, and even Ethernet. Sorry to stray off topic.
 
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GalileoSeven

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lol I wondered how long it would be until I saw this sort of hand-wringing come up.

All the comments/opinions over the recent price increases are definitely valid, but at the same time despite a little overlap here and there, they totally ignore the fact these are *different devices made for different use cases* (see the thread about the iPad as a Desktop Replacement).
 

NeonNights

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lol I wondered how long it would be until I saw this sort of hand-wringing come up.

All the comments/opinions over the recent price increases are definitely valid, but at the same time despite a little overlap here and there, they totally ignore the fact these are *different devices made for different use cases* (see the thread about the iPad as a Desktop Replacement).
For sure the iPad/iPadOS is NOT a desktop/laptop replacement. I naively bought my IPP 12.9 thinking how great it will be to have an all-in-one device with a touchscreen! It was my first iPad ever after years of only MacBooks. I didn't know iPadOS had significant file management limitations, and the combined weight of a case and keyboard easily exceeded my M1 MBA and equaled my 2015 MBP 13, lol. The more I tried to use the IPP as a laptop, the more I missed out on its main feature -- the darn touchscreen! That is when I came to my senses, stopped the experiment, and reframed my mindset. I love what MacOS brings and I enjoy iPadOS immensely more after I stopped trying to make it something it's not.
 

sparksd

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it is good to know you have declared it obsolete. no one will ever buy one then?

There seems to be a trend that when one person does not like a device or product that they feel it necessary that said product is unsuitable for all. They apparently have some insight or knowledge that moves them to make a universal declaration applicable to everybody.
 

doobry

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Whilst I was disappointed with the lack of features on the new pro, and I'm not going to buy it. I have no interest in buying an android tablet for 2 reasons.. My 2020 IPP is still working fine (despite the mild bend;)) and I use it frequently as a 2nd screen for my work MacBook Air when I'm out and about. That's a really cool feature and is why I'd still have an ipad even if there was a MacBook AirPad option that allowed you to remove the screen and turn it into an iPad.. Two screens are much better than one.. :)
 

Dealmans

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The price increases will push even more people to owning a MacBook and iPhone, all the young adults in my family and friends already run with that, it's only the parents that have iPads too.

iPad 11" 128gb = $1400 v 13" MBA 2 256gb = $1700AUD
 

Farrellcollie

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The college students I teach use ipads and Surface Pro's to take notes on. My nephew in college just asked for one and and apple pencil to take notes on because all his classmates were using the ipad (or at least that is what he said)
 

allenvanhellen

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The biggest headache for me in trying to use my M1 iPad Pro for most of my work is having only one USB-C port. I sometimes require wired headphones (zero latency and lossless), and often want to connect to one or more USB-C peripherals or displays. It's sometimes impossible to do what I need.

Also, we still don't have pro apps from Apple. GarageBand and iMovie can't always cut it, and haven't been optimized to take full advantage of the M1 chip anyway.

MacBooks can't play audio when they're closed; iPads can. That's actually one of the reasons I wanted to try using an iPad as my mobile computer. As someone who often commutes and travels, reducing the items I carry and being able to store an offline music library on my iPad to continue playing on headphones even with it closed or in my bag was very attractive. The tradeoffs however haven't been so worth it, and anyway, offline playback in Apple Music has been buggy for me.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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The price increases will push even more people to owning a MacBook and iPhone, all the young adults in my family and friends already run with that, it's only the parents that have iPads too.

iPad 11" 128gb = $1400 v 13" MBA 2 256gb = $1700AUD

It might be different here in Europe but iPads are used extensively in education here so children that are my kids ages use them for specific education apps for homework. This is applicable to teenagers too so iPads remain quite popular with a younger audience here. I dumped my laptop in 2013 and have used an iPad for home stuff since. I couldn’t go back to a laptop I don’t think as I don’t do anything that needs that much capability really. I have my Dell Workstation for work and can use that if needed ever.
 
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Dealmans

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It might be different here in Europe but iPads are used extensively in education here so children that are my kids ages use them for specific education apps for homework. This is applicable to teenagers too so iPads remain quite popular with a younger audience here. I dumped my laptop in 2013 and have used an iPad for home stuff since. I couldn’t go back to a laptop I don’t think as I don’t do anything that needs that much capability really. I have my Dell Workstation for work and can use that if needed ever.
I meant young adults in 20’s up, Schools use iPads here too but once they get to last few years of school 10-12 they use laptops.
I have a 24” iMac in my home office and use a 11” iPad Pro around the house, no laptop either.
 

iGeek2014

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=== Nowheresville ===
Must admit I’m very happy with my M1 iPad Pro 11” so I’m probably not Apple’s target customer but factoring in the weak rate in terms of GBP vs USD and other things driving up inflation I think the thing that gets me in terms of the iPad 10th generation at the price point is the ‘inferior’ display it has compared to the Air/Pro models.

Yes, there are some upgrades compared to the 9th gen, but for the price they want for the latest ones I would have expected a laminated display with low reflectivity.

Just my two cents worth!
 

subjonas

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A MacBook may compete with bigger iPads for some people who don’t need the tablet form factor, ie. for drawing, and a Samsung tablet may compete with iPads for some people who don’t fully utilize Apple’s ecosystem, but I’m in neither group.
 

stocklen

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People still have a fundamental misunderstanding.

An iPad is an iPad. A MacBook is a MacBook.

If you need a MacBook buy a MacBook.
If you need an iPad buy an iPad.

They work distinctively differently. They have different software, different apps, and are aimed at 2 distinct user bases.

i CANNOT and will not defend the price hikes.... the weird decision made by apple to have the brand new iPad use the 7 year old apple pencil with and adapter... and yes, as someone said earlier this is a bit of a blatant upsell tactic.... I mean, who would buy the base iPad when the Air is not much more money.

That said, there is so much bleating about iPad capability and wanting or expecting it to be on a par with a MacBook running MacOS. It isnt supposed to be that and it never will.
Personally I think that stage manager with external motor support goes a long way to providing a portable machine with a docked desktop mode BUT with the limitations that some iPadOS apps have.

Pay your money... take your choice.
 

Warped9

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Devices evolve although not always for the better. New things are tried—often they’re accepted and sometimes they’re not even if the idea has some fans. For example the MacBook Pro 13 TouchBar—it’s going away because most people don’t like it. Once the current MacBook Pro 13 design is discontinued then the TouchBar will be extinct.

I, for one, don’t think the Apple Pencil 1 issue on the 10th Gen iPad is a big deal simply because the vast majority of people who buy an iPad don’t bother with a stylus of any kind. Those who do want an Apple Pencil are usually using an iPad Pro or maybe the Air which both use Apple Pencil 2. So the Pencil 1 option is there for those who really want it, but there will be few takers. Those wanting a stylus for the regular iPad will usually buy a low cost regular stylus over an Apple Pencil.

The loss of the home button might put some people off, but the mainstream iPad was possibly the last tablet on the market with it, so while a lot of mainstream consumers are fond of it losing it shouldn’t be a deal breaker, particularly if those buyers have a more current smartphone which haven’t had a physical home button for years. That said there is something to be said for physical controls and in some applications they are definitely superior to touchscreen controls. Don’t get me started on digital display dashboards in cars—truly one of the stupidest, and ugliest, things ever conceived.

The loss of the headphone jack also shouldn’t be a deal breaker for many because smartphones have already paved the way for this. But again a hard connection can still have its place because you don’t have to think about pairing your device and charging it up—you just use it. You’re also forcing people to buy an audio jack adapter or a new pair of headphones.

The evolutionary changes to the mainstream iPad are certainly debatable, but none of them are surprising. The sole real issue with the 10th Gen iPad is price. It’s far, far too steep an increase for what the 10th Gen actually is, a parts bin device. It’s essentially a slightly detuned iPad Air, just as the Air is a detuned iPad Pro 11. Given those devices have been on the market for some years now there is zero justification for Apple’s price gouging on the 10th Gen. Zero. The only evident reason Apple is doing this is perhaps to help clear out a big back stock of 9th Gen iPads, because traditionally stock of an older device is usually quite low when Apple introduces a newer one. But 9th Gen iPads don’t look to be presently in short supply.
 
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HelyCopter

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I have been waiting months to upgrade to a new 11" iPad Pro--my current one is over five years old. After a year and a half since the last iPad Pro, the only improvements Apple can come up with is M1->M2 and slightly better wireless? No better display? No wireless charging? This lack of innovation has really put me off upgrading and I will think hard about spending $1K+ for another iPad.
I have a 2020 pro 12.9 get one of those you could still find them new or in very good condition for a fraction, and believe me these things are a beast, and they look about the same as the newer models.
 

RWil85

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Not sure why the iPad vs. MacBook thing is so overblown. Sure, content people do it for clicks; but, for the consumer it should be simple.

1. As many have noted, they are fundamentally different devices. Need an iPad? Buy an iPad. Need a Macbook ___ ? Buy a MacBook ___.

2. Quoting the statistics and putting up a pie chart was cute and all; however, saying Macs have 'outsold' iPads because of the 2.8% difference in revenue is a bit misleading. Apple stopped reporting # of units sold at the end of 2018, I believe...but, all numbers up to then annually show that Apple sold 2-3x as many iPads as Mac devices. So, counter to your point, while a Mac may be better to you - apparently, many, many, many, people still want and buy iPads. Maybe Apple is testing the upper threshold of what they can sell iPads (and their accessories) for relative to demand and make even more money?
 

rgwebb

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In my opinion, the 10th generation iPad is a product without a clear customer.

It is not because the product is technically bad. It is because the product is confused on who it serves.

The detachable keyboard and kickstand is really targeting the education market. In my opinion, largely the primary and secondary segments of the education market (PreK-12). Logitech sells many keyboard+case solutions like this new accessory to schools and parents. This tends to be a price conscious customer. Schools need the most units for the money spent. Parents usually have little interest in making up-market purchases for a user likely to break the product somehow anyway. The device is too expensive. The keyboard is too expensive.

What is the point of this product?
 

fuchsdh

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I'm not sure why people are acting like it's a a new thing that speccing an iPad out with all the accessories quickly brings it into the same price area as the notebook line. That's how it's been ever since the Pros came out. But just like with the M2 MacBook Air versus the M1 MacBook Pros, people tend to just focus on price and not on use cases. If you want a convertible computer, the iPad is the option for you Apple sells, and you can strip it down or spec it up as you need.

The headphone jack was always doomed. There's compelling reasons (and room) to keep it on the computers, but there are fewer for a mobile device with limited space, and Apple clearly doesn't think it's a priority worth spending a ton of design considerations and tradeoffs on. The main consideration to me is education markets, but those are going to keep buying the base $329 model so it's not really changing anything for the moment.

I'd always take a laptop over an iPad, but that's coming from a person with professional software who grew up using those form factors over the new ones. Many other consumers will make different choices with their list of priorities, and the iPad exists for them. It obviously is never fun when the new tech is more expensive than the old, but that's the present world of inflation and supply chain constraints we live in. At least if you're in the US you don't have to deal with the currency difference on top of it.
 
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