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lagwagon

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You're right. It's not show-stopping, but it pisses me off because my iPhone is only a year old and it's already obsolete. It's kinda sad that the iPhone 5 made it through lots of updates and still performed great, but my iPhone 6 couldn't even handle the first major iOS update. Also, Apple even said themselves that iOS 9 was all about performance improvements rather than major features. They said Metal would bring smoother animations and better performance while remaining efficient at the same time. Now, I feel lied to and that makes me kind of upset.

Imagine if you brought your car to the shop because they said this "tune up" would make your car accelerate faster while also using less fuel doing it. You'd be like "Yeah! Sign me up!", but when you got your car back, you noticed that it didn't have quite as much zip as it did before. You'd feel cheated and you'd probably want your car back to the way it was.

I feel cheated that Apple lied to us about iOS 9.

Obsolete? LOL. Your iPhone 6 or anyone's iPhone 6 is nowhere near obsolete. I don't think you know why that even means.

Apple is still bringing improvements to iOS 9. You're acting like Apple is done with tweaking iOS 9.

I can't wait for iOS 10 release when the same people now will be claiming whatever is the last iOS 9 update we get is SOOOO much better than 10.0. And how great and smooth iOS 9 was and iOS 10 is the worst OS ever and they're iPhone 6s or 6s+ is obsolete.
 

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You're right. It's not show-stopping, but it pisses me off because my iPhone is only a year old and it's already obsolete. It's kinda sad that the iPhone 5 made it through lots of updates and still performed great, but my iPhone 6 couldn't even handle the first major iOS update. Also, Apple even said themselves that iOS 9 was all about performance improvements rather than major features. They said Metal would bring smoother animations and better performance while remaining efficient at the same time. Now, I feel lied to and that makes me kind of upset.

Imagine if you brought your car to the shop because they said this "tune up" would make your car accelerate faster while also using less fuel doing it. You'd be like "Yeah! Sign me up!", but when you got your car back, you noticed that it didn't have quite as much zip as it did before. You'd feel cheated and you'd probably want your car back to the way it was.

I feel cheated that Apple lied to us about iOS 9.
It's not that it's not even show-stopping, it's not even a regular level of severity issue, it's minor at best, and trivial more realistically. It certainly doesn't make anything even half-way close to obsolete, let alone actually obsolete. It's that kind of hyperbole that skewes it all out of proportion unnecessarily.

Yes, it's an issue, yes a few might be annoyed by it more than typical, but, no, it doesn't make anything horrible or obsolete or anything of the sort.

And, yes, it's not great that it's like that, but, no, it's not something horrific or the worst iOS release, it's just what a X.0 is often like (and this one is actually better than a number of recent ones)--Apple should do better, but it's not some crazy unheard of or really unexpected horrific surprise.
 

TheDetailsMatter

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Obsolete? LOL. Your iPhone 6 or anyone's iPhone 6 is nowhere near obsolete. I don't think you know why that even means.

Apple is still bringing improvements to iOS 9. You're acting like Apple is done with tweaking iOS 9.

I can't wait for iOS 10 release when the same people now will be claiming whatever is the last iOS 9 update we get is SOOOO much better than 10.0. And how great and smooth iOS 9 was and iOS 10 is the worst OS ever and they're iPhone 6s or 6s+ is obsolete.
I cannot wait to be complaining about iOS 10. Apple knew iOS 9 was super laggy when they released it — they deserve this criticism. It's like they didn't even try to improve performance. They knew the majority of users would only care about battery life so they reduced animation performance to gain an hour.
 

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I cannot wait to be complaining about iOS 10. Apple knew iOS 9 was super laggy when they released it — they deserve this criticism. It's like they didn't even try to improve performance. They knew the majority of users would only care about battery life so they reduced animation performance to gain an hour.

Why are you even buying an iPhone or using iOS devices if you look actually forward to complaining about it?

10 people posting over and over about a minor thing such as some stuttering animations isn't "deserved criticism". It's 10 people who enjoy nitpicking. It's funny no one is actually complaining about iOS 9 as a whole. Just some visual annoyance.

You must be the worlds best developer to have all the answers as to why there is some stutters. (Your claim of purposely reducing animation performance for battery gains.)
 

Radon87000

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Why are you even buying an iPhone or using iOS devices if you look actually forward to complaining about it?

10 people posting over and over about a minor thing such as some stuttering animations isn't "deserved criticism". It's 10 people who enjoy nitpicking. It's funny no one is actually complaining about iOS 9 as a whole. Just some visual annoyance.

You must be the worlds best developer to have all the answers as to why there is some stutters. (Your claim of purposely reducing animation performance for battery gains.)
If even iOS devices stutter as well than what's the point of buying an iDevice

It's not nitpicking to point out flaws Apple explicitly said "Won't happen".And we are talking 600 bucks hardware here.It should NOT stutter when it's the second most powerful Apple has

And we aren't completing about the whole iOS 9 because unlike 8 not much has changed from before in regards the other aspects
 
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TheDetailsMatter

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Why are you even buying an iPhone or using iOS devices if you look actually forward to complaining about it?

10 people posting over and over about a minor thing such as some stuttering animations isn't "deserved criticism". It's 10 people who enjoy nitpicking. It's funny no one is actually complaining about iOS 9 as a whole. Just some visual annoyance.

You must be the worlds best developer to have all the answers as to why there is some stutters. (Your claim of purposely reducing animation performance for battery gains.)
Compared to Android phones this lag is nothing. But for Apple, it is totally unexpected. I love using their devices, and I expect them to be as close to perfect as possible.
My 'claim' came from me noticing elsewhere in iOS 9 that they removed visual effects. (Cards in the app switcher, volume controls, and alerts no longer show the parallax effect. The effect also no longer occurs behind Notification Center, which is why the background 'skips' while exiting it on the home screen — unlike iOS 8.) I assume these were axed to improve efficiency.
 

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Compared to Android phones this lag is nothing. But for Apple, it is totally unexpected. I love using their devices, and I expect them to be as close to perfect as possible.
My 'claim' came from me noticing elsewhere in iOS 9 that they removed visual effects. (Cards in the app switcher, volume controls, and alerts no longer show the parallax effect. The effect also no longer occurs behind Notification Center, which is why the background 'skips' while exiting it on the home screen — unlike iOS 8.) I assume these were axed to improve efficiency.
Funnily enough the stutter I get in the control centre is eerily similar to the way Widgets lag on Android.
 

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If even iOS devices stutter as well than what's the point of buying an iDevice

It's not nitpicking to point out flaws Apple explicitly said "Won't happen".And we are talking 600 bucks hardware here.It should NOT stutter when it's the second most powerful Apple has

Exactly. The iPhone 5 survived many iOS updates with very little hit to performance. The iPhone 5 had iOS 6, 7 and 8 which performed great the entire time. The iPhone 6 however, only had buggy (but smooth) iOS 8 and now stable (but bad performance) iOS 9. Why is that?
 

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Exactly. The iPhone 5 survived many iOS updates with very little hit to performance. The iPhone 5 had iOS 6, 7 and 8 which performed great the entire time. The iPhone 6 however, only had buggy (but smooth) iOS 8 and now stable (but bad performance) iOS 9. Why is that?
That's simply not the case if you look at tons of complaint threads from the 7.0 and 8.0. That's simply not true.
 

TheDetailsMatter

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Funnily enough the stutter I get in the control centre is eerily similar to the way Widgets lag on Android.
Control center on the home screen is the worst. And, on an unrelated side note, have you seen how ugly it is in landscape? With the brightness bar in a rectangle and AirDrop in rounded rectangle.
 

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Compared to Android phones this lag is nothing. But for Apple, it is totally unexpected. I love using their devices, and I expect them to be as close to perfect as possible.
My 'claim' came from me noticing elsewhere in iOS 9 that they removed visual effects. (Cards in the app switcher, volume controls, and alerts no longer show the parallax effect. The effect also no longer occurs behind Notification Center, which is why the background 'skips' while exiting it on the home screen — unlike iOS 8.) I assume these were axed to improve efficiency.
How is this unexpected given what iOS 7.0 and 8.0 were like? This is actually better than those releases. Nothing unexpected at all except perhaps from those who don't recall or don't know what the previous releases were like, in which case there isn't anything to base the expectations on anyway.
 

TheDetailsMatter

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How is this unexpected given what iOS 7.0 and 8.0 were like? This is actually better than those releases. Nothing unexpected at all except perhaps from those who don't recall or don't know what the previous releases were like, in which case there isn't anything to base the expectations on anyway.
This isn't worse than iOS 7.0 (which convinced me to upgrade to a 5s because it ruined my 4s) or 8.0, but to pick up an Apple device and experience stuttering animations is just unexpected. I know it will get better — but I'll whine about it until it does.
 

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This isn't worse than iOS 7.0 (which convinced me to upgrade to a 5s because it ruined my 4s) or 8.0, but to pick up an Apple device and experience stuttering animations is just unexpected. I know it will get better — but I'll whine about it until it does.
Most of those kind of things dealing with animations and lag (in addition to wise stability, performance, and functional) issues were there for more people in 7.0 and 8.0 days.
 

TheDetailsMatter

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Most of those kind of things dealing with animations and lag (in addition to wise stability, performance, and functional) issues were there for more people in 7.0 and 8.0 days.
Still, those were major feature updates. iOS 9 was supposed to be a performance update. And with a public beta program and many months of development they still ended up with a similarly laggy .0 release. I do have to say, though, it is much more stable than usual.
 

lagwagon

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This isn't worse than iOS 7.0 (which convinced me to upgrade to a 5s because it ruined my 4s) or 8.0, but to pick up an Apple device and experience stuttering animations is just unexpected. I know it will get better — but I'll whine about it until it does.

Are you expecting MacRumours to fix it? Whining on a forum changes nothing or does it even get to the right people in Apple.

It's fairly expected for a x.0 release to not be perfect. And the cost of the device is irrelevant. Samsung phones are almost just as pricey (especially as you get into the note 5 and 6 edge+.) and yet they also lag and they barely ever get updates. Who knows when those devices will get Android M if they ever will.

Report it via Apple feedback (website or the app if you're running beta.) But I suggest to you an the other few who are broken records about the topic, that when you/they submit the feedback to do it in a calm professional manor. Because doing it in the temper tantrum manor some have on these forums will get quickly ignored by Apple and solves nothing for no one.
 

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Still, those were major feature updates. iOS 9 was supposed to be a performance update. And with a public beta program and many months of development they still ended up with a similarly laggy .0 release. I do have to say, though, it is much more stable than usual.
There you go, it's much more stable with fewer bigger issues. But still has some minor ones like some generally small animation lag here and ther for some (more for a few, less for most).
 

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Still, those were major feature updates. iOS 9 was supposed to be a performance update. And with a public beta program and many months of development they still ended up with a similarly laggy .0 release. I do have to say, though, it is much more stable than usual.

The bold part.

Which is the most important thing above all else. Animations are just eye candy and in the grand scheme of things, very trivial. Releasing something stable is miles above as priority one and they've done that. The rest can be fixed later.

Seriously. Turn on Reduce Motion and maybe even Reduce Transparency for the time being if they bother you so badly. And enjoy a stable OS. Turn back on the eye candy once it's been resolved.
 

TheDetailsMatter

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I wasn't talking about the cost of the device, so much as Apple's high attention to detail. On everything else they put so much effort into the user experience.
 

TheDetailsMatter

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The bold part.

Which is the most important thing above all else. Animations are just eye candy and in the grand scheme of things, very trivial. Releasing something stable is miles above as priority one and they've done that. The rest can be fixed later.

Seriously. Turn on Reduce Motion and maybe even Reduce Transparency for the time being if they bother you so badly. And enjoy a stable OS. Turn back on the eye candy once it's been resolved.
You're kinda right. With reduce transparency control center and app switcher are super smooth.
 

TheDetailsMatter

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You're kinda right. With reduce transparency control center and app switcher are super smooth.
3D Touch with reduced transparency is just ugly.
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Obsolete? LOL. Your iPhone 6 or anyone's iPhone 6 is nowhere near obsolete. I don't think you know why that even means.

Apple is still bringing improvements to iOS 9. You're acting like Apple is done with tweaking iOS 9.
Your blind faith in Apple is the problem. iOS 9 was announced 4 months ago. Lag is still there. App launch delay is still there. Stutters are still there. You actually think in 4 months from now everything will be fine and dandy?
I can't wait for iOS 10 release when the same people now will be claiming whatever is the last iOS 9 update we get is SOOOO much better than 10.0. And how great and smooth iOS 9 was and iOS 10 is the worst OS ever and they're iPhone 6s or 6s+ is obsolete.
See, now you've exposed your true self. Apparently you don't buy any of the claims of the countless of people who complain about their lagfest experience with iOS 9. We're not complaining because we want to complain, we're complaining because iOS 9 is worse than iOS 8 (not necessarily 8.4.1, also 8.0 was 10x smoother than 9.0). If iOS 10 is better in all aspects than iOS 9 I'll be the first one to praise the release.

And the kicker of all this is, is that Apple promised to makes iOS 9 better ("smoother animations with Metal in iOS 9", they said), but it's actually much worse.
It's not that it's not even show-stopping, it's not even a regular level of severity issue, it's minor at best, and trivial more realistically. It certainly doesn't make anything even half-way close to obsolete, let alone actually obsolete. It's that kind of hyperbole that skewes it all out of proportion unnecessarily.

Yes, it's an issue, yes a few might be annoyed by it more than typical, but, no, it doesn't make anything horrible or obsolete or anything of the sort.

And, yes, it's not great that it's like that, but, no, it's not something horrific or the worst iOS release, it's just what a X.0 is often like (and this one is actually better than a number of recent ones)--Apple should do better, but it's not some crazy unheard of or really unexpected horrific surprise.
Honestly, who are you to judge whether an issue is minor or major for someone else? The smoothness and fluidity of the OS is one of the main reasons I buy the most expensive phone in the world instead of an Android phone that literally is half the price. Are you the same guy who accused someone else of being arrogant? Weird stuff.
 
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C DM

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Your blind faith in Apple is the problem. iOS 9 was announced 4 months ago. Lag is still there. App launch delay is still there. Stutters are still there. You actually think in 4 months from now everything will be fine and dandy?See, now you've exposed your true self. Apparently you don't buy any of the claims of the countless of people who complain about their lagfest experience with iOS 9. We're not complaining because we want to complain, we're complaining because iOS 9 is worse than iOS 8 (not necessarily 8.4.1, also 8.0 was 10x smoother than 9.0). If iOS 10 is better in all aspects than iOS 9 I'll be the first one to praise the release.

And the kicker of all this is, is that Apple promised to makes iOS 9 better ("smoother animations with Metal in iOS 9", they said), but it's actually much worse.
The things you are talking about aren't there for most people. And, yes, look at what iOS 7.0 or 8.0 were like during beta and when they were released and compare them to their final versions. iOS 8.0 wasn't smoother even 1x compared to iOS 9 and had even more stability and performance issues in general, to imply otherwise is to ignore reality and many more complaints from practically endless 8.0 threads (same goes for 7.0).
 
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