iPhone XS Max This is why the new iPhones are failing

[44267547]

I think even if Apple make a decent profit again this year, they will still be looking into why less people are upgrading as regularly across the entire market.

Apple knows the market isn’t widely available to accept the iPhone inflation for the XS. The XR was move they had to make to offer something under the XS. But if you look at their current promotion, they are pushing the trade in offers for consumers to upgrade their older iPhones for the XR/XS. Apple knows consumers are retaining there older Gen phones longer than they anticipated due to these higher prices, but what Apple _could_ do, is lower the prices, but we all know Apple has a lot of pride in order to do that, but it may be a necessary move in the future if the market doesn’t respond to a $1,000 iPhone.
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Oh my mistake that the store was packed and no one was buying anything! LOL!

It must have been free bag day as a lot of shopping bags with a big Apple on them we’re leaving the store.

I think the Realdeal meant a strong majority who visit the Apple Store, are either therefore service related things, like repairs or are generally looking versus buying all the time. I don’t think they were insinuating that no one is purchasing anything at all.

 

[geta]

The new prices are redicolus!

The average person dont care about the letest and the gratest special when phones from the last 2-3 years are more then capable for their needs.

 

[PeteS1963]

Packed Apple stores don’t mean high sales though. My local Apple store was busy on Saturday but a lot of the people in there are teenagers playing with the displays and men killing time while their wives shop. Just observing those in there you can see who is buying and who is not, they just attract people due to the wide range of products on display.

I’ve been in an Apple store hundreds of times in my life and am yet to ever actually buy anything directly from Apple. Have I contributed to a false impression I wonder?

This is true. Especially during weekends or school holidays when my local Apple shop is full of kids playing with stuff. Hardly surprising as Apple shops are designed to draw people in. I can remember the days when mobile phone shops had dummy units literally nailed to a board. And if you so much as looked at a device some spotty youth sales person would come over, be irritating and attempt to flog you a phone + contract. Why this was considered a good idea I haven’t a clue.

If I’m in town with my daughter I often go into the Apple shop as it keeps us both entertained. I can look at stuff I can’t realk afford and she can play. Both of us are kept happy. However, this actually resulted in me buying an Apple Pencil. I was thinking of getting one anyway but what tipped it for me was watching her draw with it. She just picked it up and with zero instruction started drawing these amazing pictures. She is 7 years old. I was like wow, you’ve done that! Result - immediate Pencil purchase.

 

[Newtons Apple]

I drove by the Apple Store last Friday and have to go that way again today, it will still be packed.

It is the Holidays.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

This is true. Especially during weekends or school holidays when my local Apple shop is full of kids playing with stuff. Hardly surprising as Apple shops are designed to draw people in. I can remember the days when mobile phone shops had dummy units literally nailed to a board. And if you so much as looked at a device some spotty youth sales person would come over, be irritating and attempt to flog you a phone + contract. Why this was considered a good idea I haven’t a clue.

If I’m in town with my daughter I often go into the Apple shop as it keeps us both entertained. I can look at stuff I can’t realk afford and she can play. Both of us are kept happy. However, this actually resulted in me buying an Apple Pencil. I was thinking of getting one anyway but what tipped it for me was watching her draw with it. She just picked it up and with zero instruction started drawing these amazing pictures. She is 7 years old. I was like wow, you’ve done that! Result - immediate Pencil purchase.

They are good places to try out the latest iPhones and iPads etc but in the UK it’s cheaper through carriers and to be honest Apple only offers 12 month warranties whereas other retailers offer 2 years. I don’t know many people who buy direct from Apple here. My local store has a busy Genuis bar and what feels like a youth club hogging the displays lol.

 

[jamezr]

They are good places to try out the latest iPhones and iPads etc but in the UK it’s cheaper through carriers and to be honest Apple only offers 12 month warranties whereas other retailers offer 2 years. I don’t know many people who buy direct from Apple here. My local store has a busy Genuis bar and what feels like a youth club hogging the displays lol.

Went by the local Apple store last weekend. The store was packed! But it was misleading. There was some kind of class going so that accounted for a lot pf people. Then Apple always has a lot of window shoppers. There were a lot of teenage group milling around from product type to product type. They just like to look at the all the products and touch and feel and try them out. Didn't seem like too many people were buy things though to be honest.

 

[MagicHAM]

True, but many people will still contract it out on a mobile plan, it wouldn't bother them as such.

 

[Azathoth123]

And maybe sales are great!

https://apple.news/A01FarB0vT06c0WmCcWH-7g

 

[Newtons Apple]

And maybe sales are great!

https://apple.news/A01FarB0vT06c0WmCcWH-7g

Heaven Forbid lots of iPhones selling!

This could ruin the whole thread!

 

[Radon87000]

I aint buying any of their iPhones till they come out with a XS Max at $1000. That's my absolute limit

 

[The Game 161]

The new prices are redicolus!

The average person dont care about the letest and the gratest special when phones from the last 2-3 years are more then capable for their needs.

That says more about the quality of apple products bring still so good than anything else

I also don’t think because the new phones aren’t selling as well that it means people are going android. People are simply keeping phones longer.

Even the top android flagships are £800-£1099 now so they wouldn’t going there purely on price

One plus 6T makes the most sense if you were to move to Android

 

[dk001]

My Apple store stays packed too, and I’m not exactly in a tech-forward area. But they’re all packed pretty much.

So if you believe Apple’s having problems, yes, go to an Apple store. Your eyes will tell you a different story.

They are looking and consulting and repairing but are they buying?

 

[ftaok]

They are looking and consulting and repairing but are they buying?

Most likely, yes.

 

[noobinator]

I aint buying any of their iPhones till they come out with a XS Max at $1000. That's my absolute limit

Looks like you'll be sticking to other phones from now on.

 

[Azathoth123]

They are looking and consulting and repairing but are they buying?

They seem to be buying based on bags, especially Watches, and the Series 4 SS models have been unicorns lately.

Now if I were an analyst, I’d tell you S4 SS Watch sales are down, and that’s right for a short while, because they sold all the SS models that they could make. But an ‘analyst’ won’t tell you about the ‘sold out’ part.

As far as the supply chain being down, that may be true also because Apple always has a dip after the holidays, even Tim Cook said so. So if I were expecting a dip after the holidays, I might indeed cut back in this quarter. You can be sure though, that whatever they expect to sell this quarter is already on the shelves - except for maybe the SS Watches.

 

[Jovijoker]

Plus, Safari is just as snappy on the old models.

Hahahah!
that one never goes out of style!

 

[Azathoth123]

Oh wait, the supply chain isn’t down, it’s up! Even if MacObserver can’t spell ‘Taiwan’.

https://apple.news/A4YGpJhZYQE2DPViVqn1JUw

 

[rdillon2008]

That has a downside: one of the reasons people buy iPhones is that they know that Apple provides years of free, highly functional upgrades. Take that away and you remove one competitive advantage that Apple has over android.

You can still do an upgrade but don't involve the new features with the upgrade. Just how they can eliminate 3D touch and others for the XR, they can do the same moving forward. I don't even think the XR was warranted this year and they should of just brough out the max and the xs and leave the 8 series for the entry level phones. 8 at 549 and 8 plus at 649 and keep the $1000 dollar phones

 

[Truefan31]

I think it's pretty evident that iphones are not selling as much as Apple hoped. The omission of sales figures each quarter now, and now the increased trade in values Apple is giving to people who upgrade make it clear they feel a need to bolster sales. But rather than lower the price of the new models, they're offering more on a trade in. Classic technique.

 

[Azathoth123]

Well, the thread seems a bit slow, so....

https://apple.news/AGWl1_X16R6mEzWcPRHTNaQ

Looks like the Apple supply chain is having a cracking good season

 

[Fille84]

$1,535.94​

That's approximately how much you'll fork over for the high-capacity XS Max, a phone that doesn't perform much better than your current model.

The bottom line is that the price is too high.

Wow good work Sherlock.

 

[TheAppleFairy]

Although generally your statement is very true but apple is the only company that still predominantly manages to make astonishing profits from just hardware sells.

In the recent years they’ve started pushing for software and services but still 70% of apple profit comes just from iPhone sells.

I think the whole truth would be somewhere between the two. I could be wrong but I think it's 70% of their revenue, not profit is from hardware. I think the profit margins are likely higher on services. I do wonder if they will lower the prices soon. There are people who see the difference in price between flagship phones and go for the slightly cheaper one. I believe it behooves Apple appeal to the people on the fence who are OS agnostic(which is what I think they are trying to do with the XR).

 

[akash.nu]

I think the whole truth would be somewhere between the two. I could be wrong but I think it's 70% of their revenue, not profit is from hardware. I think the profit margins are likely higher on services. I do wonder if they will lower the prices soon. There are people who see the difference in price between flagship phones and go for the slightly cheaper one. I believe it behooves Apple appeal to the people on the fence who are OS agnostic(which is what I think they are trying to do with the XR).

Look at between 2016-17 - https://www.statista.com/statistics/253649/iphone-revenue-as-share-of-apples-total-revenue/

 

[ET iPhone Home]

$1,535.94​

That's approximately how much you'll fork over for the high-capacity XS Max, a phone that doesn't perform much better than your current model.

The bottom line is that the price is too high.

"The Price"is everything to consumers.

 

[s15119]

1. The new phones are not failing.
2. The IPhone XS Max is an incredible phone. I am proud to own one, it was worth every freaking penny I paid for it.

Have a nice day!