iPhone XS Max This is why the new iPhones are failing

[44267547]

This thread seems to be divided into two parts, those who _think_ the iPhone is failing and those who say it’s not failing. I don’t think anyone here wants the iPhone to fail, but as much as I’m an Apple supporter, let’s not have any false modesty realizing that iPhone prices are inflated where consumers generally don’t find them attractive and ultimately, that would be the biggest downfall for Apple, which is exactly why they are offering these promotional trade-ins more aggressively this year.

Fact is, the iPhone XS will not be Apples ‘go to’ Phone, because it’s the highest priced iPhone, the XR will be the phone that will be the better selling long-term, because it’s cheaper, and consumers want cheaper phones and they don’t always care about all the hardware or aesthetics with stainless Bands, OLED, ect.

When it comes to Apple, you have to be a realist, and their prices are exorbitant and have been going up on many products, the iPhone being increased since the 2017 iPhone X, if it wasn’t for the help of carriers, would a $1000 iPhone be that successful? A reasonable person has to wonder.

 

[dk001]

This thread seems to be divided into two parts, those who _think_ the iPhone is failing and those who say it’s not failing. I don’t think anyone here wants the iPhone to fail, but as much as I’m an Apple supporter, let’s not have any false modesty realizing that iPhone prices are inflated where consumers generally don’t find them attractive and ultimately, that would be the biggest downfall for Apple, which is exactly why they are offering these promotional trade-ins more aggressively this year.

Fact is, the iPhone XS will not be Apples ‘go to’ Phone, because it’s the highest priced iPhone, the XR will be the phone that will be the better selling long-term, because it’s cheaper, and consumers want cheaper phones and they don’t always care about all the hardware or aesthetics with stainless Bands, OLED, ect.

When it comes to Apple, you have to be a realist, and their prices are exorbitant and have been going up on many products, the iPhone being increased since the 2017 iPhone X, if it wasn’t for the help of carriers, would a $1000 iPhone be that successful? A reasonable person has to wonder.

Was in the Apple Store very recently (my bloody IPP ) and did some looking. They had everything in stock except watches. They were short of 4's big time.

 

[44267547]

Was in the Apple Store very recently (my bloody IPP ) and did some looking. They had everything in stock except watches. They were short of 4's big time.

This specific year for the Series 4 Apple Watch had a massive shortage, mainly the stainless models. The stock has been improving , but what I could refer to you, is if you’re interested in a Series 4 Apple Watch, use iStocknow, it will alert you when a certain Apple Watch model that you’re interested in is available at an Apple store near you.

 

[pixel_junkie]

Failing? They've simply chosen to sell less at a higher price, thus making it seem more "premium" and still bringing in the same revenue/profits.

No one in the history of commerce said "We got everything we need to make a product and sell X number of units, but you know what? This year we'll just sell less for the fun of it".

What is actually happening is people are waking up to the reality that Apple has been innovating less while charging more each year.

This is why I'm rooting for and supporting companies like Oneplus who are on the opposite end of the spectrum by giving you more for a lot less.

 

[dk001]

This specific year for the Series 4 Apple Watch had a massive shortage, mainly the stainless models. The stock has been improving , but what I could refer to you, is if you’re interested in a Series 4 Apple Watch, use iStocknow, it will alert you when a certain Apple Watch model that you’re interested in is available at an Apple store near you.

Thanks anyway but I ordered a SG44GPSNK (via Apple) - shipped from China the next day. Just got it. Took 4 days.
There was none of the model I wanted within 100mi.

 

[harvest_close]

$1,535.94​

That's approximately how much you'll fork over for the high-capacity XS Max, a phone that doesn't perform much better than your current model.

The bottom line is that the price is too high.

I agree with your thinking
I would love to update for the camera but in Australia the high capacity XS Max costs A$2,369.00 !

 

[C DM]

I think it's pretty evident that iphones are not selling as much as Apple hoped. The omission of sales figures each quarter now, and now the increased trade in values Apple is giving to people who upgrade make it clear they feel a need to bolster sales. But rather than lower the price of the new models, they're offering more on a trade in. Classic technique.

While that might certainly be an interpretation of it all, it doesn't necessarily point to any particular scenario as to what might behind it even if that was the case.

 

[Caesars]

The good news is : since the Max performs the same as the old models, people can buy old models for less. If you are the type of person that enjoys having a phone most people can’t afford, this will be the phone for you.

 

[macsrcool1234]

This person has been complaining about the new phones for awhile. New posts every couple of days. If they don’t like it don’t buy it. There are tons of people still buying the Xs/Max. Failing? I doubt it’s failing

This is a forum dedicated to discuss Apple rumors. There's a rumor about poor iphone sales, so OP made a thread about it. If you don't like these posts, don't read them.

It's really not that complicated.

 

[TheAppleFairy]

Look at between 2016-17 - https://www.statista.com/statistics/253649/iphone-revenue-as-share-of-apples-total-revenue/

I would if I could get the huge advertisement off it wanting me to spend $50 a month to see under it.

Do it show profit or revenue?

 

[Radon87000]

Looks like you'll be sticking to other phones from now on.

I switched to Samsung Note 9 this year. I foresee the price of the iPhone increasing every year to compensate for lower unit sales and each lower end iPhone will be gimped one way or another to upsell the higher tier. No point staying. I upgrade every year and its too expensive for me.

 

[Radon87000]

Its slumping according to best buy data

https://9to5mac.com/2018/12/12/iphone-xs-sales-decline/

 

[darksithpro]

The IPhone XS Max is an incredible phone. I am proud to own one, it was worth every freaking penny I paid for it.

A co-worker of mine got the XS MAX. So, I put it side by side with my Note 9. To my shock the iPhone screen seemed to be a bit larger. Now, at face value this may not seem like a big deal, but in reality it really is. That's because the Note lineup from Samsung has always been renowned by techies as the biggest enthusiast screen you can get on Android in a resonable form factor, that Apple simply would never provide. None of us phone geeks ever thought Apple would outdo the Note series screen size factor. I was rather shocked.

 

[alphaod]

$1,535.94

That's approximately how much you'll fork over for the high-capacity XS Max, a phone that doesn't perform much better than your current model.

The bottom line is that the price is too high.

But it has 512GB of space and the older one doesn't.

 

[akash.nu]

I would if I could get the huge advertisement off it wanting me to spend $50 a month to see under it.

Do it show profit or revenue?

Lol. There’s a cross button to close that, isn’t it?! It shows both.

 

[ImAnAgent]

I bought a 512GB XS Max on Verizon about two weeks ago. It’s not really all that expensive at $61 per month, certainly affordable. That price was with zero down.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

1. The new phones are not failing.
2. The IPhone XS Max is an incredible phone. I am proud to own one, it was worth every freaking penny I paid for it.

Have a nice day!

That isn’t the general point of this thread though is it? Nobody doubts it’s a very good phone. It’s simply not an iPhone that is very popular though due to its price and the fact older iPhones are still performing well enough that people don’t see the incentive paying significantly more.

This is the first year I’ve seen a push by carriers to get you to buy new iPhones by offering attractive trade ins or money off the handset price with larger data plans. This may well be because the X sold so poorly in my country last year though? That said I don’t see many of these current iPhones about so your pride in owning a Max doesn’t appear to be a hugely common point of view. Enjoy you phone though as you’re clearly the target niche consumer.

 

[akash.nu]

That isn’t the general point of this thread though is it? Nobody doubts it’s a very good phone. It’s simply not an iPhone that is very popular though due to its price and the fact older iPhones are still performing well enough that people don’t see the incentive paying significantly more.

This is the first year I’ve seen a push by carriers to get you to buy new iPhones by offering attractive trade ins or money off the handset price with larger data plans. This may well be because the X sold so poorly in my country last year though? That said I don’t see many of these current iPhones about so your pride in owning a Max doesn’t appear to be a hugely common point of view. Enjoy you phone though as you’re clearly the target niche consumer.

As they say, there’s no winning with the people.

When older phones slowed down due to newer software updates people howled - apple is evil and purposefully slowing down devices.

When they spent the whole year optimising the OS to make it run better on older devices, now people are moaning - the new phones aren’t good enough and that Apple is evil for charging a price they see fit for the device.

This is such an old and common theme in most of the threads here.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

As they say, there’s no winning with the people.

When older phones slowed down due to newer software updates people howled - apple is evil and purposefully slowing down devices.

When they spent the whole year optimising the OS to make it run better on older devices, now people are moaning - the new phones aren’t good enough and that Apple is evil for charging a price they see fit for the device.

This is such an old and common theme in most of the threads here.

Are people moaning that newer phones aren’t good enough? People have issues with the price but like me are buying older devices or keeping their iPhones longer. It’s not the consumer that loses out here, it’s just pointing out that times have changed.

 

[akash.nu]

Are people moaning that newer phones aren’t good enough? People have issues with the price but like me are buying older devices or keeping their iPhones longer. It’s not the consumer that loses out here, it’s just pointing out that times have changed.

The price proposition comes down to value of money right? You won’t expect a house to be available for £1000, simply because people think it’s absurd. A few decades ago that would have been a reality. The value of money is changing again with more people earning higher than they used to 5 years ago. This is natural progression as I see it.

If it comes down to value for money for a certain item then that has to include the intangibles as well which most people don’t include while thinking about the iPhone price comparisons.

 

[Shanghaichica]

That isn’t the general point of this thread though is it? Nobody doubts it’s a very good phone. It’s simply not an iPhone that is very popular though due to its price and the fact older iPhones are still performing well enough that people don’t see the incentive paying significantly more.

This is the first year I’ve seen a push by carriers to get you to buy new iPhones by offering attractive trade ins or money off the handset price with larger data plans. This may well be because the X sold so poorly in my country last year though? That said I don’t see many of these current iPhones about so your pride in owning a Max doesn’t appear to be a hugely common point of view. Enjoy you phone though as you’re clearly the target niche consumer.

The Xs doesn’t look any different from the X unless it’s gold so it’s really difficult to tell if they are out there or not. I commute into London and I see quite a lot of iPhones with notches everyday and fair few in my town centre. However I can only say for definite that I’ve seen 1 Xr (coral) and 1 Xs (gold). I’ve not seen a max yet.

 

[akash.nu]

The Xs doesn’t look any different from the X unless it’s gold so it’s really difficult to tell if they are out there or not. I commute into London and I see quite a lot of iPhones with notches everyday and fair few in my town centre. However I can only say for definite that I’ve seen 1 Xr (coral) and 1 Xs (gold). I’ve not seen a max yet.

I’m in London and on a max. ‍

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The price proposition comes down to value of money right? You won’t expect a house to be available for £1000, simply because people think it’s absurd. A few decades ago that would have been a reality. The value of money is changing again with more people earning higher than they used to 5 years ago. This is natural progression as I see it.

If it comes down to value for money for a certain item then that has to include the intangibles as well which most people don’t include while thinking about the iPhone price comparisons.

The smartphone market is very contained and can’t really be compared to houses. You can buy a house in my county for £40k but you can pay £40m in Mayfair. With smartphones they’ve always been costed in the hundreds, not the thousands and it’s this jump that people condemn. In a time where smartphone technology is beginning to stagnate after a good 8-10 years of companies racing to bring out the next big feature and we see companies like Apple and Samsung raising the price by a quarter? It’s no wonder the mass market are rejecting this.

People may be earning more in your country but it’s the polar opposite in the UK and many parts of Europe. Wage increases are largely out of sync with the rate of inflation and you only have to ask a nurse or a member of hospital staff what they think of their rates compared to pre 2008 standards. Many people are only just getting back to incremental pay increases after years of recovery.

It’s all fine though as last years iPhone is much the same as this years so if Apple are scratching their heads then price is the key factor putting people off. It’s not moaning, it’s reality. If they want it to be a purely ‘luxury’ product, then it shouldn’t matter if it only attracts a niche market segment.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The Xs doesn’t look any different from the X unless it’s gold so it’s really difficult to tell if they are out there or not. I commute into London and I see quite a lot of iPhones with notches everyday and fair few in my town centre. However I can only say for definite that I’ve seen 1 Xr (coral) and 1 Xs (gold). I’ve not seen a max yet.

I see very few and I travel monthly to parts of the Netherlands, Germany and Poland with my job. I don’t commute on public transport but I do attend a lot of meetings where iPhones are a popular tool and I’ve seen perhaps 20 ish notch iPhones in the past 15 months.

 

[Radon87000]

The price proposition comes down to value of money right? You won’t expect a house to be available for £1000, simply because people think it’s absurd. A few decades ago that would have been a reality. The value of money is changing again with more people earning higher than they used to 5 years ago. This is natural progression as I see it.

If it comes down to value for money for a certain item then that has to include the intangibles as well which most people don’t include while thinking about the iPhone price comparisons.

At 1k Plus it’s competing with computers. I can build a gaming PC at $1500 with high end components which offers 10x the value. The iPhone is outrageously priced. No smartphone is worth more than $1100.