Thunderbolt 3 M.2 NVMe SSD Enclosures

[shoarthing2]

A heads-up re: Hagibis MC40 ASM2464PD enclosure . . . . one arrived yesterday, nicely packaged; but with this rather obvious upward bend to the board - due it appears to the base extrusion becoming/being made concave lengthways.

. . . . Aliexpress - on seeing image - volunteered full repayment, on (free) return to local (UK) warehouse; Hagibis offered to consider replacement . . . . of this clearly duff product . . . if sent back to China at my expense.

Mmmmmmmm . . . . a bit concerned this passed QC in the first place: the upward bow appears enough to interfere with or make non-optimal installation of a full-length (2280) NVME. I'm also cautious re: surface-mounted components having been unduly stressed.

Anyone else seen this issue with this design of enclosure, as marketed by: Colorii/Hagibis/Qwizzlab?

 

[EugW]

A heads-up re: Hagibis MC40 ASM2464PD enclosure . . . . one arrived yesterday, nicely packaged; but with this rather obvious upward bend to the board - due it appears to the base extrusion becoming/being made concave lengthways.
View attachment 2459394
. . . . Aliexpress - on seeing image - volunteered full repayment, on (free) return to local (UK) warehouse; Hagibis offered to consider replacement . . . if sent back to China at my expense.

Mmmmmmmm . . . . a bit concerned this passed QC in the first place: the upward bow appears enough to interfere with or make non-optimal installation of a full-length (2280) NVME. I'm cautious re: surface-mounted components having been unduly stressed.

Anyone else seen this issue with this design of enclosure, as marketed by: Colorii/Hagibis/Quizzlab?

Yikes! My Qwiizlab is definitely not like that. I have a Hagibis coming next week. We’ll see how that one is.

 

[someuser7418799]

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[octoviaa]

A heads-up re: Hagibis MC40 ASM2464PD enclosure . . . . one arrived yesterday, nicely packaged; but with this rather obvious upward bend to the board - due it appears to the base extrusion becoming/being made concave lengthways.

. . . . Aliexpress - on seeing image - volunteered full repayment, on (free) return to local (UK) warehouse; Hagibis offered to consider replacement . . . . of this clearly duff product . . . if sent back to China at my expense.

Mmmmmmmm . . . . a bit concerned this passed QC in the first place: the upward bow appears enough to interfere with or make non-optimal installation of a full-length (2280) NVME. I'm also cautious re: surface-mounted components having been unduly stressed.

Anyone else seen this issue with this design of enclosure, as marketed by: Colorii/Hagibis/Qwizzlab?

I received Hagibis today and so far looks good, I noticed it has thermal pad connecting the underside of the board to the casing just directly under the ASM chip.

Connected properly as 40Gb/s

Power consumption is 4.6w active idle and 1.5w while sleeping.
Idle temp on my WD Black SN850X 2TB while idle is 46C as shown below:

The enclosure itself is quite warm borderline uncomfortable when touch.

 

[genexx]

Acasis site has good Black Friday prices AND an additional 15% to 20% off of already discounted prices.

I went for 3 x TBU405 Air (Thunderbolt 3/4 and USB 4.0 but not backwards compatible with older USB interfaces). On sale for $59.90, less than $50 each with the discount applied.

Combine with 1 TB NVMe and it's only slightly more expensive than a 1 TB thumb drive, but 5x faster.

I have already bought the second for around 50 inkl. shipping and Tax.
The Upside is you can use it as a Boot Drive and then it also stays 10 Degree colder.
So the Test for me with a WD SN770 has showed 42 Celsius as non Boot drive and 32 Celsius average as Boot drive.
iStat also shows a continuous 4 Watt drain from the Drive when used as non Boot Drive.

There seems to be a basic Problem with MacOS handling external Drives.
I disconnect them all because of that and they are only Backups anyway.

Is there an enclosure/NVMe setup that doesn't heat up, even if it means lower speeds ?

Some people refer to the T7 & co. alternative, but it seems to me that there are also heat-related problems with the appearance of a white wax.

I'm still stuck with my SATA enclosures, despite having updated devices (M1+M4 Pro).

PS: I don't know if my message here will go unnoticed...

See above comment about using it as Boot Drive and also with the Acasis TBU404 Air and WD SN770 NVME.

This is the first time I've heard of this drive (SK Hynix Gold P31). Looking at reviews it seems to run fast and cool and it has DRAM.

One of the big obsessions of and frustrations in this thread is how hot these TB4/USB4 enclosures run. And yet, in this thread and others, the overwhelming choice for everyone seems to be the Samsung 990 Pro or the WD BLACK SN850X. Both of these drives run much hotter and are more expensive than the SK Hynix Gold P31.

So why the preference for the Samsung and WD Black over the SK Hynix Gold (or even Platinum, for that matter)? The SK Hynix Gold runs 10ºC cooler, performs very well, and is $30-$40 cheaper (at least in Canada).

What are the drawbacks of the SK Hynix Gold P31 compared to the Samsung and WD Black?

In the context of Mac or Hackintosh i just have no experience with SK Hynix Gold P31, but used Crucial P2 and the listed WD NVME without any Problem.
My WD SN 570 / 770 / 850 are running very cool internal (i know this also from using them with Hackintosh) and external it is different and related to the Chipset of the enclosure or Host.
The Main reason seams to be MacOS because there are the Samsung NVME with Phoenix Controller if used as Boot drive taking up to 20 Minutes to Boot after a while because a Trim problem related to APFS.
The WD SN 850 runs perfect internal but will not be recognized in an 10Gbit External with the RTL9210b Chipset in my Highly Compatible Inateck FE2025 but only at my MBA M2 when connected to my Hackintosh it just runs fine.
The WD SN770 runs also at the MBA M2 in it.
In my TB3/4 Intel JHL7440 Chipset Acasis TBU405 AIR the WD SN770 runs when used as a Boot drive 10 Degree Celsius Cooler.

While it was my Plan to use as Boot Drive with a New MacMini M4 Standard anyway, i am ok with it.
Have tested it at my MBA M2.

As i am using Mac´s for Decades,
i just know that you have to check anything with everything USB related at a Mac.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/owc-express-enclosure.2444452/post-33606557

 

[EugW]

@genexx

I'm not a fan of the DRAM-less drives for boot drives for a primary Mac. I had the SN550 used as a boot drive for my 2014 Mac mini (internally) and it mostly worked fine, but every so often it would just slow right down. I attribute part of that to the fact that it's just a slower drive, but also because it has no DRAM (or HMB support in a Mac). Because that Mac mini was only 8 GB, there would sometimes be a few GB of virtual memory on disk, and I don't think that drive really was suited for dealing with several GB of virtual memory on a regular basis.

 

[FilterJoe]

The Upside is you can use it as a Boot Drive and then it also stays 10 Degree colder.
So the Test for me with a WD SN770 has showed 42 Celsius as non Boot drive and 32 Celsius average as Boot drive.
iStat also shows a continuous 4 Watt drain from the Drive when used as non Boot Drive.

Any workarounds to stop the 4 watt drain and 10 degree difference when used externally? command-line setting? 3rd party software?

Even if there's no workaround - 42 degree is still in the < 50 degrees safe zone. If it's at 42 degrees 10 hours/day, is that an issue?

I do notice BTW that the temperature is cooler when my Mac Mini is asleep (upon waking, the temperature is lower than it was when it went to sleep).

 

[splifingate]

If it's at 42 degrees 10 hours/day, is that an issue?

My three have not puffed any smoke in their 24/7 operation . . . they just Work.

Empirically, I can only venture a guess that any that you may have will not randomly self-destruct

 

[EugW]

Even if there's no workaround - 42 degree is still in the < 50 degrees safe zone. If it's at 42 degrees 10 hours/day, is that an issue?

This is not an issue.

 

[eva2000]

Out of interest's sake, I wiped the drive and started over again, just to see if it was truly indexing. The md_worker service wasn't active in Activity Monitor so it likely wasn't Spotlight indexing, and nothing seemed to be accessing the drive, yet the light continually flashed, even after wiping it to turn it into an empty drive. OTOH, if I plugged it into my iPad Pro M4, there was no flashing. BTW, my 2017 12" MacBook (with its single 5 Gbps USB-C port) does not seem to be able to mount this drive. I wonder if it's because it can't supply enough power.

Well, the culprit was Macs Fan Control that I had installed on the Mac mini in order to monitor the temperature. It appears monitoring the temperature of the drive is registered as drive access. If I exit Macs Fan Control or if I just turn off the temperature monitoring feature, the LED flashing stops. Lesson learned - after wasting a couple of hours of my time.

Did you ever figure this out?

New to MacOS - only had Macbook Pro for 3 days now and have a JEYI 2464 Pro fan edition enclosure with 2TB Kingston KC3000 NVMe https://www.techpowerup.com/review/kingston-kc3000/ and

• with only TG Pro fan control installed it was idling 40-42C in 30C room ambient with internal drive temps at 36-40C (laptop sits on a laptop cooler).
• after installing istat menu 7 as well to monitor the KC3000 NVMe idles at 48-53C and green light is always flashing. Edit: ah if I uncheck in TG Pro check drive SMART temps, then flashing green light stops
• if I eject the JEYI 2464 Pro but still keep it plugged in, temp drops back down to 44C idle
• edit: turned off TG Pro SMART drive temp checks and only use istat menu, with Timemachine backup load on JEYI 2464 Pro + 2TB Kingston KC3000, peak temps were only 53C. So not sure if turning off TG Pro SMART drive temp check means reported temps are lower because they are inaccurate and the higher SMART drive temp reported temps were more accurate?

Internal drive (left) vs JEYI 2464 Pro + 2TB Kingston KC3000 with default 5GB file test




edit: using smartctl, looks like temps reported by istat menu 7 are correct and match reporting 39C, but noticed there's a Temperature Sensor 2 reporting 54C as well - maybe that is what TG Pro fan control is seeing? I read Temperature Sensor 2 might be recording the highest temp ever recorded for the drive? Or the NVMe controller temps?

sudo smartctl -a /dev/disk7

smartctl 7.4 2023-08-01 r5530 [Darwin 24.1.0 arm64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-23, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Number:                       KINGSTON SKC3000D2048G
Serial Number:                      50026B72833BXXXX
Firmware Version:                   EIFK31.6
PCI Vendor/Subsystem ID:            0x2646
IEEE OUI Identifier:                0x0026b7
Total NVM Capacity:                 2,048,408,248,320 [2.04 TB]
Unallocated NVM Capacity:           0
Controller ID:                      1
NVMe Version:                       1.4
Number of Namespaces:               1
Local Time is:                      Tue Dec 10 13:31:30 2024 AEST
Firmware Updates (0x12):            1 Slot, no Reset required
Optional Admin Commands (0x0017):   Security Format Frmw_DL Self_Test
Optional NVM Commands (0x005d):     Comp DS_Mngmt Wr_Zero Sav/Sel_Feat Timestmp
Log Page Attributes (0x08):         Telmtry_Lg
Maximum Data Transfer Size:         512 Pages
Warning  Comp. Temp. Threshold:     84 Celsius
Critical Comp. Temp. Threshold:     89 Celsius

Supported Power States
St Op     Max   Active     Idle   RL RT WL WT  Ent_Lat  Ex_Lat
 0 +     8.80W       -        -    0  0  0  0        0       0
 1 +     7.10W       -        -    1  1  1  1        0       0
 2 +     5.20W       -        -    2  2  2  2        0       0
 3 -   0.0620W       -        -    3  3  3  3     2500    7500
 4 -   0.0620W       -        -    4  4  4  4     2500    7500

=== START OF SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

SMART/Health Information (NVMe Log 0x02)
Critical Warning:                   0x00
Temperature:                        39 Celsius
Available Spare:                    100%
Available Spare Threshold:          10%
Percentage Used:                    0%
Data Units Read:                    318,620 [163 GB]
Data Units Written:                 513,416 [262 GB]
Host Read Commands:                 4,699,355
Host Write Commands:                6,029,744
Controller Busy Time:               5
Power Cycles:                       10
Power On Hours:                     9
Unsafe Shutdowns:                   8
Media and Data Integrity Errors:    0
Error Information Log Entries:      0
Warning  Comp. Temperature Time:    0
Critical Comp. Temperature Time:    0
Temperature Sensor 2:               54 Celsius

Error Information (NVMe Log 0x01, 16 of 63 entries)
No Errors Logged

Self-test Log (NVMe Log 0x06)
Self-test status: No self-test in progress
No Self-tests Logged

 

[EugW]

Did you ever figure this out?

I don't know what you mean. I mentioned in the post that the LED flashing was caused by Macs Fan Control. So, I don't keep Macs Fan Control running all the time anymore, and don't let it load automatically at login either.

If I want to check the temp, then I'll launch Macs Fan Control, check the temp, and then promptly exit the application.

 

[genexx]

Have Changed Language in iStat7 to English and Sensors of the WD SN770´s are Back ????????????? WTF

When not using the NVME, 42 Degree celsius measured as non Boot Drive, direct connected to my MBA M2.
I have the second identical now connected at the OWC Thunderbolt Hub.

I´ll let them sit there and look at the Temps.
The Cases Acasis TBU405 AIR have the JHL7440 Chip Only and this one is rated TDP 2,4W

After making the TM Backup on the OWC connected one i could push to 34 Degree Celsius still waiting...
Down to 32 Degree Celsius already so....

Conclusion is:

The WD SN770 Powersave Modes are working in the JHL7440 Case TBU405 AIR if:

• Case is connected to MBA M2 as Boot Drive
• Case is connected to the OWC Thunderbolt Hub

The WD SN770 Powersave Modes are not working when connected to the MBA M2 as non Boot Drive.
(iStat also show the PowerDraw increase by4W constantly)

@FilterJoe

It seems that the right combination of Case / NVME and Connection leads to the desired Result.
I still search for my AC Plug Measuring, so i cannot 100% confirm the above.

NVME also showing up as WD_Black SN770 2TB as they should and not a Case Name.

 

[shoarthing2]

LH Colorii; RH Hagibis::

 

[EugW]

View attachment 2461054View attachment 2461055LH Colorii; RH Hagibis::

Is the Hagibis curved, or is that just due to the camera lens?

I have the Qwiizlab working great as my main data drive and am still waiting for my Hagibis for my backup drive. Canada customs clearance seems to be taking longer than usual.

 

[shoarthing2]

Is the Hagibis curved, or is that just due to the camera lens?

I have the Qwiizlab working great as my main data drive and am still waiting for my Hagibis for my backup drive. Canada customs clearance seems to be taking longer than usual.

The base - a slice of an extrusion - of the Hagibis is bent. Its rib forced the mainboard to bend. I filed the rib down then put a strip of 0.5mm high-end thermal pad on it. Works fine (so far). The two MC40 enclosures appear to have identical mainboards; tho' the enclosures differ slightly - more like different production batches rather than different versions.

 

[EugW]

What I don't understand is why they put that piece of thermal putty where it is on the underside of the motherboard. It's not directly under the ASM2464PD chip, but beside it, near another chip. Is it because of all those ICs underneath the ASM2464PD? Or is it important to cool that other chip?

BTW, I would have thought that when designing this motherboard to use with this enclosure, they would have put the chip on the underside of the motherboard, and then put the thermal putty / thermal pad under that to thermally connect it to the bottom part of the enclosure.

 

[shoarthing2]

What I don't understand is why they put that piece of thermal putty where it is on the underside of the motherboard. It's not directly under the ASM2464PD chip, but beside it, near another chip. Is it because of all those ICs underneath the ASM2464PD? Or is it important to cool that other chip?

BTW, I would have thought that when designing this motherboard to use with this enclosure, they would have put the chip on the underside of the motherboard, and then put the thermal putty / thermal pad under that to thermally connect it to the bottom part of the enclosure.

The pad is located between the ASM2464PD & its EPROM . . . . I guess it was the closest uncluttered spot. The NVME sensor reports an idling temperature some 25C over local ambient, & (as you have reported) then seems pretty insensitive to load.

 

[adonis3k]

I received Hagibis today and so far looks good, I noticed it has thermal pad connecting the underside of the board to the casing just directly under the ASM chip.
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Connected properly as 40Gb/s
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Power consumption is 4.6w active idle and 1.5w while sleeping.
Idle temp on my WD Black SN850X 2TB while idle is 46C as shown below:

View attachment 2460302

The enclosure itself is quite warm borderline uncomfortable when touch.

Mine arrived today, put in my SN850X 4TB in it and its near as good as my Maiwo 40gbps enclosure (Which gets too hot to touch) but never really drops in performance!!

The Hagibis was dropping read speeds for some reason after afew minutes from 3200 Rear and Write down to 1600. I have rebooted the mac and re-tried it which seems to have done the trick. I will use it for afew days and see how it goes, I do like construction of it compared to the smaller Maiwo.

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Also the supplied cable have got some thiiicccc connectors, you "cannot" use it on a Mac Mini M4 with the HDMI next to the port as they touch...I used my Maiwo cable instead as it has a thinner connector.

 

[ChadGippidy]

Is the Satechi USB 4 enclosure any good? I've read that it has pretty high temps compared to OWC 1M2 / Hagibis / Qwiizlabs / Graugear

 

[eva2000]

I don't know what you mean. I mentioned in the post that the LED flashing was caused by Macs Fan Control. So, I don't keep Macs Fan Control running all the time anymore, and don't let it load automatically at login either.

If I want to check the temp, then I'll launch Macs Fan Control, check the temp, and then promptly exit the application.

I see. Thanks

Mine arrived today, put in my SN850X 4TB in it and its near as good as my Maiwo 40gbps enclosure (Which gets too hot to touch) but never really drops in performance!!

The Hagibis was dropping read speeds for some reason after afew minutes from 3200 Rear and Write down to 1600. I have rebooted the mac and re-tried it which seems to have done the trick. I will use it for afew days and see how it goes, I do like construction of it compared to the smaller Maiwo.

How hot is got? Got relative temperature examples?

For my JEYI 2464 Fan pro USB4 enclosure with 2TB Kingston KC3000 https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/thunderbolt-3-m-2-nvme-ssd-enclosures.2027925/post-33615877, managed to drop idle and load temps by as much as 8-10C by placing enclosure under my existing clip-on desk fan which is clipped onto my LCD monitor arm and facing down to my existing 16TB Western Digital USB3.0 external drive

In 27C ambient room temps

 

[Loco Sock]

Had my Satechi Enclosure with a 4TB Samsung 990 Pro... been on since May (5,225 hours)... no disconnects, no errors, no nothing.



=== TEMPERATURE INFORMATION (FAHRENHEIT) ===
Current Temperature : 127.4
Power Cycle Min Temperature : 127.4
Power Cycle Max Temperature : 127.4
Lifetime Min Temperature : 123.8
Lifetime Max Temperature : 141.8
Recommended Min Temperature : 41
Recommended Max Temperature : 179.6
Temperature Min Limit : 41
Temperature Max Limit : 185

=== IMPORTANT HEALTH INDICATORS ===
ID NAME RAW VALUE STATUS
7 Data Units Written 15,850,590 (8.1 TB) 100% OK
14 Media and Data Integrity Errors 0 100% OK

So yeah, 127 is where it's pretty much at all of the time.

Here's a review I did back in May: https://24rows.com/my-satechi-usb4-nvme-ssd-pro-enclosure-review/

 

[adonis3k]

Not got any temps but the Hagibis are defo not as hot. I don't run them at full load, just once a week move files to the drive.

 

[octoviaa]

Mine arrived today, put in my SN850X 4TB in it and its near as good as my Maiwo 40gbps enclosure (Which gets too hot to touch) but never really drops in performance!!

The Hagibis was dropping read speeds for some reason after afew minutes from 3200 Rear and Write down to 1600. I have rebooted the mac and re-tried it which seems to have done the trick. I will use it for afew days and see how it goes, I do like construction of it compared to the smaller Maiwo.

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Also the supplied cable have got some thiiicccc connectors, you "cannot" use it on a Mac Mini M4 with the HDMI next to the port as they touch...I used my Maiwo cable instead as it has a thinner connector.

I test mine and quite consistent, didn't experience any drop:

I did use a small usb fan to help with the temperature and it stays around 39C when doing the DiskSpeed test.
During idle it will be around 36 so the fan did really help, else idle becomes 46 to 50.
My room temp is about 25-28C.

 

[adonis3k]

Yeah mine has been fine after updating and rebooting the Mac. I won't be using any fans, I hate noise and my previous enclosures were way hotter where you couldnt touch them!

 

[EugW]

I have the Qwiizlab working great as my main data drive and am still waiting for my Hagibis for my backup drive. Canada customs clearance seems to be taking longer than usual.

I received my used 4 TB Kioxia KXG8 SSD (with DRAM), to be used as my backup drive, but still no sign of the Hagibis enclosure. It's been almost a week at/near the airport on the other side of the country. I wonder if it's customs being hammered by the Xmas rush.

Anyhow, here is the Kioxia in a USB 3 enclosure, connected through a Thunderbolt 4 / USB 4 hub to the M4 Mac mini:



Power usage peaked at 5.6 W during testing. In between tests, it was sometimes reading 0 W (which on my Watt meter may just mean something below 0.5 W since it doesn't seem to be able to display anything below 0.5 W).

Unfortunately, I can't check the SMART stats of this used drive through the USB 3 enclosure.