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Most of these “Steve Jobs would not approve of…” posts are written by ignorant people who have no idea about the history of Apple, the history of the broader computer industry at large, the history of Tim Cook and his inner circle, and the actual technology inside of Apple’s products.

Steve Jobs was often wrong; he was not an all knowing god sent from heaven to craft a perfect company that consistently produced perfect products under his name. The self proclaimed pundits will point to the era in which John Sculley kicked Steve Jobs out (1985 - 1996) and use the many product blunders as evidence that the company is a mess without him.

But Steve Jobs had many flaws. He wanted to scrap the Apple II in favour of the Macintosh, even though the Apple II accounted for the majority of Apple’s revenue. He believed that if they could just lower the price of the Mac, people would realize that it was the future of computing and hop on board. Even though he was right about that, he was wrong about the timing; it was going to take longer than one year to convince people that they didn't need any ports other than a floppy disk tray. He was a visionary, but a poor businessman. He allowed his intuition to guide him a bit too much and away from practicality.

Which is why his years at NeXT and Pixar were so important, and why he ultimately became one of the greatest CEO’s of all time.

For the first 8 years after Jobs left Apple, he succumbed to his own worst compulsions. As CEO of NeXT and Pixar, he had two private companies that were burning through cash and not producing any commercially successful products. The NeXT cube was a remarkably beautiful desktop computer that cost much more than Jobs has promised it would, and Pixar was nowhere close to turning a profit off its animation.

But here's the remarkable thing about Steve Jobs: he learned.

He learned that he wasn't always right, and that it was more important to surround yourself with people better and smarter than you are so you could learn from them, rather than hiring people to do your bidding. He realized that innovation happens in incremental steps, and rarely all at once. He accepted that he was not the centre of the universe, and that he could be wrong.

And then he got straight back to work.

In 1993 NeXT axed it's hardware and focused its resources in on Web software using object-oriented programming, and Pixar focused its resources in on producing one feature length computer animated film.

Jobs and his colleagues took everything they'd learned over the last 8 years and applied it with immense focus to create something that was iterative on what preceded it, and that people didn't even know they wanted yet because they’d never seen something like it before.

Basically, Jobs accepted that he needed to be working at the three way intersection between visionary ideas that most people hadn't thought of yet, cutting edge technologythat was just commercially available and cost effective, and focused iteration on something that came before it, to build momentum.

This secret sauce is what allowed Toy Story to open to universal commercial and critical success in 1995, and is what made Jobs a billionaire. It's also the sauce that positioned NeXT as the perfect software company for Apple to purchase in 1997 to save its failing business, which brought Jobs back on board as an interim CEO.

Jobs took that secret sauce he'd learnt during his time in the Silicon Valley wilderness, and applied it to Apple. He homed in on four major product categories (desktop and laptop for consumers, and desktop and laptop for professionals) and simply made those four products.

main-qimg-6e4da249fcea78a6e1d7e8bca0f0a91f-c

Following the three way intersection I described above, next came the iPod in 2001, the iPhone in 2007, and the iPad in 2010.

Technology had finally caught up to Jobs’ vision for personal computing, and his immense focus propelled Apple forward into creating products that ruled their respective categories. The iPod was the “one MP3 player to rule them all”, the iPhone the “one smartphone the rule them all”, and the iPad the “one tablet to rule them all”.

And most importantly, there was a clear intent behind every product that Apple made. The ones without clear intent (MobileMe) failed. Jobs’ 2010 iPad keynote is the best example of this, in which he pitched the iPad as a product that’s more personal than a laptop and more capable than a smartphone, and thus better suited for browsing the web, playing games, reading e-mail, watching movies, and viewing and sharing photographs.

Under Jobs, Apple only made products that had a clear reason for existing. And when a new product came along that threatened an older one (why buy an iPod when smartphones can play music too?) they cannibalized their own sales with new products (the iPhone) because if they didn't, someone else would.

Basically, Jobs and Apple learnt from their failures and became a highly adaptive organism that continuously evolved and changed, and ultimately found its place at the top of the food chain and became the most valuable company on Earth.

The problem with Apple today is that, even though the three way intersection still exists, there's no clear intent behind their products. This is evident in so many ways it would be ludicrous to list them all, but it's most evident in their inability to properly pitch and sell products at keynotes (because they themselves don't quite know why they made it) and the fragmentation and diversification of products across their respective lines.

Here's an example: why does the iPad exist?

Jobs specifically told us why it existed in January 2010. Until he died, the device was marketed to us based off those specific capabilities. The bezel around the iPad existed for a reason: so your thumb wouldn't take up screen real estate. That way you could “hold the Internet in your hands”, hold a movie, hold an e-mail, and so on. It was a deeply personal, intimate, and powerful experience.

Jobs talked a lot about the “aura” of the human spirit that you could capture and put into a product, and I felt that in the iPad more than anything. It's software was a deeply organic reflection of that too:

main-qimg-770624ba05e050694b5a6a899da90525-c

It's practically inviting you to go inside it because of the three dimensional perspective the app dock and shadings give it. It's absolutely incredible. Looking at this device, I know intuitively exactly what I'm supposed to do with it. I pick it up and hold it by its bezels, and go inside the display with my finger to use it. Or, at the very least, it's inviting me to explore how it's used. It's very simple, intuitive, and focused. The intent is very clear.

Now look at the most recent iPad:

main-qimg-58fdd0fd98c5b3a18b7b62b7c5f11705-c

What am I supposed to do with this? The bezels are shaved for some reason, so if I hold it there my thumb will be on the screen, and the design language of the software is cold and unapproachable. The colours are harsh, and there's no sense of depth whatsoever. This looks like a delicate piece of art that I have to be very careful with. I'm not totally sure how to use it from first glance, and I don't feel particularly compelled to explore it. Also, which one do I get?

main-qimg-71abb4bded0a12fb82e7e49c3f27a226-c

The Apple Watch is the ultimate example of this though:

main-qimg-439aff7eb5ddc2a18390a6a0bca768f1-c

What does it do? Why does it exist? What is it's intent? What problem is this product solving?

Apple surely doesn't know the answers to that. Just watch the 2014 keynote on its introduction.

With Series 2 and watchOS 3 it's definitely become more focused on fitness and notifications, but it's intent is still very much lacking. And, therefore, I'm not compelled to spend $350 on it.

So when people say “Steve Jobs would not approve of…” what they mean to say is:

“Steve Jobs would not approve of something so unfocused in its intent and reason to be.”

However, Apple is still very much sitting at the triple crossroads of vision, technology, and iteration, and so their products are forward looking, extremely capable and powerful, and growing iteratively.

However, they lack clear intent now. And, no Phil, “courage” doesn't make up for that. The decision to remove the headphone jack comes down to intent; it’s there and I agree with it, but they did a very poor job of communicating to me why they did it.

I can tell you one thing Steve Jobs would definitely not approve of: the AirPods delay. The whole intent behind the removal of the headphone jack (and other ports) is to embrace wireless technologies. And yet Apple’s native solution to that has now been delayed indefinitely from its late October release.

Jobs famously called together the MobileMe team and asked them “what the ****” it's supposed to do before scrapping it all in favour of iCloud. I’d imagine he would do the same here.

With the loss of Steve Jobs, Apple has also seemingly lost its intent. It didn't have to be that way, and I'm sure there are people quite capable of properly internalizing that (Scott Forstall comes to mind), but not Tim Cook, it seems.

This is how you introduce a new product:

main-qimg-6275fe784e3c47363f9d706cc95b00f6-c

You show us why it exists.
 

Galacticos

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I'd like it if Tim Cook turned his passion for the next dollar to the products. If Tim Cook can see a NPV of +0.0000000000000001 (which might be the only vision he is capable of) it's bound to be something they 'think we're going to love'
 
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C DM

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Why does a smartwatch exist in today's world and what would be the point of it? Really?
 
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I look at that picture of SJ with the ipad, and think with my SP4, I can connect to any computer in my house, the network at work, client computers and watch netflix, etc. With my ipad I can watch netflix. Maybe that is why, what seemed a great idea in 2010 is not really a great idea in 2016. Sure for some, they love their ipads (and ipad pros).

The ipad is in a bad situation, seemingly a great idea by SJ, in today's world not so much (imo). TC inherited it. What's a CEO to do?

TC turned apple into a behemoth over the last few years and apple has to go through a reinvention, keeping it's core values of what makes apple, apple.

I personally like their products and where they are going, we'll see how they do in the future.
 

zhenya

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Why does a smartwatch exist in today's world and what would be the point of it? Really?

Easy. To reduce dependance on your phone. Many people don't even realize it, but their phone has become an appendage they never let get out of reach. They jump at the notification tone no matter what else they are doing. The Apple Watch exists because it frees you from your phone, and greatly reduces the distraction it causes in your life.
 

C DM

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Easy. To reduce dependance on your phone. Many people don't even realize it, but their phone has become an appendage they never let get out of reach. They jump at the notification tone no matter what else they are doing. The Apple Watch exists because it frees you from your phone, and greatly reduces the distraction it causes in your life.
That's basically the type of straightforward point I was driving at with what I posted in relation to what was mentioned in the OP.
 

Galacticos

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Easy. To reduce dependance on your phone. Many people don't even realize it, but their phone has become an appendage they never let get out of reach. They jump at the notification tone no matter what else they are doing. The Apple Watch exists because it frees you from your phone, and greatly reduces the distraction it causes in your life.

I think you have won the argument for the OP
 

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Source: https://www.quora.com/Is-there-anyt...not-have-approved/answer/Ian-Smyth-2?srid=NO0

(Not written by me.)

Most of these “Steve Jobs would not approve of…” posts are written by ignorant people who have no idea about the history of Apple, the history of the broader computer industry at large, the history of Tim Cook and his inner circle, and the actual technology inside of Apple’s products.

Steve Jobs was often wrong; he was not an all knowing god sent from heaven to craft a perfect company that consistently produced perfect products under his name. The self proclaimed pundits will point to the era in which John Sculley kicked Steve Jobs out (1985 - 1996) and use the many product blunders as evidence that the company is a mess without him.

But Steve Jobs had many flaws. He wanted to scrap the Apple II in favour of the Macintosh, even though the Apple II accounted for the majority of Apple’s revenue. He believed that if they could just lower the price of the Mac, people would realize that it was the future of computing and hop on board. Even though he was right about that, he was wrong about the timing; it was going to take longer than one year to convince people that they didn't need any ports other than a floppy disk tray. He was a visionary, but a poor businessman. He allowed his intuition to guide him a bit too much and away from practicality.

Which is why his years at NeXT and Pixar were so important, and why he ultimately became one of the greatest CEO’s of all time.

For the first 8 years after Jobs left Apple, he succumbed to his own worst compulsions. As CEO of NeXT and Pixar, he had two private companies that were burning through cash and not producing any commercially successful products. The NeXT cube was a remarkably beautiful desktop computer that cost much more than Jobs has promised it would, and Pixar was nowhere close to turning a profit off its animation.

But here's the remarkable thing about Steve Jobs: he learned.

He learned that he wasn't always right, and that it was more important to surround yourself with people better and smarter than you are so you could learn from them, rather than hiring people to do your bidding. He realized that innovation happens in incremental steps, and rarely all at once. He accepted that he was not the centre of the universe, and that he could be wrong.

And then he got straight back to work.

In 1993 NeXT axed it's hardware and focused its resources in on Web software using object-oriented programming, and Pixar focused its resources in on producing one feature length computer animated film.

Jobs and his colleagues took everything they'd learned over the last 8 years and applied it with immense focus to create something that was iterative on what preceded it, and that people didn't even know they wanted yet because they’d never seen something like it before.

Basically, Jobs accepted that he needed to be working at the three way intersection between visionary ideas that most people hadn't thought of yet, cutting edge technologythat was just commercially available and cost effective, and focused iteration on something that came before it, to build momentum.

This secret sauce is what allowed Toy Story to open to universal commercial and critical success in 1995, and is what made Jobs a billionaire. It's also the sauce that positioned NeXT as the perfect software company for Apple to purchase in 1997 to save its failing business, which brought Jobs back on board as an interim CEO.

Jobs took that secret sauce he'd learnt during his time in the Silicon Valley wilderness, and applied it to Apple. He homed in on four major product categories (desktop and laptop for consumers, and desktop and laptop for professionals) and simply made those four products.

main-qimg-6e4da249fcea78a6e1d7e8bca0f0a91f-c

Following the three way intersection I described above, next came the iPod in 2001, the iPhone in 2007, and the iPad in 2010.

Technology had finally caught up to Jobs’ vision for personal computing, and his immense focus propelled Apple forward into creating products that ruled their respective categories. The iPod was the “one MP3 player to rule them all”, the iPhone the “one smartphone the rule them all”, and the iPad the “one tablet to rule them all”.

And most importantly, there was a clear intent behind every product that Apple made. The ones without clear intent (MobileMe) failed. Jobs’ 2010 iPad keynote is the best example of this, in which he pitched the iPad as a product that’s more personal than a laptop and more capable than a smartphone, and thus better suited for browsing the web, playing games, reading e-mail, watching movies, and viewing and sharing photographs.

Under Jobs, Apple only made products that had a clear reason for existing. And when a new product came along that threatened an older one (why buy an iPod when smartphones can play music too?) they cannibalized their own sales with new products (the iPhone) because if they didn't, someone else would.

Basically, Jobs and Apple learnt from their failures and became a highly adaptive organism that continuously evolved and changed, and ultimately found its place at the top of the food chain and became the most valuable company on Earth.

The problem with Apple today is that, even though the three way intersection still exists, there's no clear intent behind their products. This is evident in so many ways it would be ludicrous to list them all, but it's most evident in their inability to properly pitch and sell products at keynotes (because they themselves don't quite know why they made it) and the fragmentation and diversification of products across their respective lines.

Here's an example: why does the iPad exist?

Jobs specifically told us why it existed in January 2010. Until he died, the device was marketed to us based off those specific capabilities. The bezel around the iPad existed for a reason: so your thumb wouldn't take up screen real estate. That way you could “hold the Internet in your hands”, hold a movie, hold an e-mail, and so on. It was a deeply personal, intimate, and powerful experience.

Jobs talked a lot about the “aura” of the human spirit that you could capture and put into a product, and I felt that in the iPad more than anything. It's software was a deeply organic reflection of that too:

main-qimg-770624ba05e050694b5a6a899da90525-c

It's practically inviting you to go inside it because of the three dimensional perspective the app dock and shadings give it. It's absolutely incredible. Looking at this device, I know intuitively exactly what I'm supposed to do with it. I pick it up and hold it by its bezels, and go inside the display with my finger to use it. Or, at the very least, it's inviting me to explore how it's used. It's very simple, intuitive, and focused. The intent is very clear.

Now look at the most recent iPad:

main-qimg-58fdd0fd98c5b3a18b7b62b7c5f11705-c

What am I supposed to do with this? The bezels are shaved for some reason, so if I hold it there my thumb will be on the screen, and the design language of the software is cold and unapproachable. The colours are harsh, and there's no sense of depth whatsoever. This looks like a delicate piece of art that I have to be very careful with. I'm not totally sure how to use it from first glance, and I don't feel particularly compelled to explore it. Also, which one do I get?

main-qimg-71abb4bded0a12fb82e7e49c3f27a226-c

The Apple Watch is the ultimate example of this though:

main-qimg-439aff7eb5ddc2a18390a6a0bca768f1-c

What does it do? Why does it exist? What is it's intent? What problem is this product solving?

Apple surely doesn't know the answers to that. Just watch the 2014 keynote on its introduction.

With Series 2 and watchOS 3 it's definitely become more focused on fitness and notifications, but it's intent is still very much lacking. And, therefore, I'm not compelled to spend $350 on it.

So when people say “Steve Jobs would not approve of…” what they mean to say is:

“Steve Jobs would not approve of something so unfocused in its intent and reason to be.”

However, Apple is still very much sitting at the triple crossroads of vision, technology, and iteration, and so their products are forward looking, extremely capable and powerful, and growing iteratively.

However, they lack clear intent now. And, no Phil, “courage” doesn't make up for that. The decision to remove the headphone jack comes down to intent; it’s there and I agree with it, but they did a very poor job of communicating to me why they did it.

I can tell you one thing Steve Jobs would definitely not approve of: the AirPods delay. The whole intent behind the removal of the headphone jack (and other ports) is to embrace wireless technologies. And yet Apple’s native solution to that has now been delayed indefinitely from its late October release.

Jobs famously called together the MobileMe team and asked them “what the ****” it's supposed to do before scrapping it all in favour of iCloud. I’d imagine he would do the same here.

With the loss of Steve Jobs, Apple has also seemingly lost its intent. It didn't have to be that way, and I'm sure there are people quite capable of properly internalizing that (Scott Forstall comes to mind), but not Tim Cook, it seems.

This is how you introduce a new product:

main-qimg-6275fe784e3c47363f9d706cc95b00f6-c

You show us why it exists.

Basically... poetry... for all those armchair Apple CEO's. What people want to hear.

The only thing he got right was the very last part.

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Easy. To reduce dependance on your phone. Many people don't even realize it, but their phone has become an appendage they never let get out of reach. They jump at the notification tone no matter what else they are doing. The Apple Watch exists because it frees you from your phone, and greatly reduces the distraction it causes in your life.

Exactly.

Also, the Apple Watch is the Nokia 3310 of the smartwatches, it serves as an introduction to the concept.

The iPhone of smartwatches will come when Apple crams more health sensors on the thing, sensors to monitor blood oxygen, sugar levels, all that stuff. Then, the "healthwatch" will be as elementary and essential as the smartphone.
 

Galacticos

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Also, the Apple Watch is the Nokia 3310 of the smartwatches, it serves as an introduction to the concept.

The iPhone of smartwatches will come when Apple crams more health sensors on the thing, sensors to monitor blood oxygen, sugar levels, all that stuff. Then, the "healthwatch" will be as elementary and essential as the smartphone.

Based on the rate at which Apple releases technology nowadays, that will only be a few decades away
 
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Apple used to be years ahead of the competition about ten years ago. They aren't anymore
Apple also used to be able to pivot when they realized that they'd screwed up - even with a tyrannical CEO.

The Clones: Ate Apple's lunch by making better and cheaper systems. Axed by TLGJ.
The Cube: Pretty (except for the cracks), but a failure. Ditched rather rapidly.
PowerPC: 'nuf said.
Iphone: "No need for an API, web apps are all you need." That stance didn't last long.​

Now, 3 1/2 years after the "Tube" Mac Pro was introduced with mostly stale components and middle of the road performance - no update in sight. Mini was downgraded on the last refresh - and no update in sight. Wireless products - being dropped. Monitors - well, Apple has not had a competitive monitor for five years, no big loss.

Apple is no longer ahead of the competition, and they're falling behind by doing nothing while other asses are innovating.
 
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Jobs best skill at Apple was nothing to do with products or approving them directly. Jobs best skill was knowing the right people to hire to get the job done and to bring innovation into Apple. Jobs legacy is not any product. It is Apple itself. The company structure, the people he hired, Jobs war on pointless SKUs (A war that in the wildnerness years and post the 2nd coming of jobs), Apple is losing.
 
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C DM

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Jobs best skill at Apple was nothing to do with products or approving them directly. Jobs best skill was knowing the right people to hire to get the job done and to bring innovation into Apple. Jobs legacy is not any product. It is Apple itself. The company structure, the people he hired, Jobs war on pointless SKUs (A war that in the wildnerness years and post the 2nd coming of jobs), Apple is losing.
At the same time it was Jobs who brought Sculley on board.
 
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Apple used to be years ahead of the competition about ten years ago. They aren't anymore

104% of the profits share on the most competitive market right now says otherwise.

It's so bad for the others it's not fun anymore.
 

Since1987

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If Apple COMPUTER co. still operated like this, there would be 99% less complaining about Tim Cook.

The entire "Pro" column has been wiped out because "Pro" computers can't be made THIN enough or have "enough battery life". Two things Pro users really don't care about.

Choice is all we want here
, not being told that everyone is a ProSumer whether they like it or not. That doesn't work for Pros or Consumers. Consumers end up with more computer ( and cost ) than they want, Pros end up with not enough CPU GPU or RAM regardless how much they are willing to spend. So Tim Cooks plan is to make NOBODY happy. Then they can exit the God-forsaken computer business that they hate so much.

As i consistently say... Apple USED TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. A Pro Line, A Consumer line. Now they just seem angry that we force them to make computers at all.

It is NOT that difficult to fill these four squares, right now Apple only has ONE square... ProSumer Deskbook.

All the other squares have cars, watches, and Beats products.


main-qimg-6e4da249fcea78a6e1d7e8bca0f0a91f-c
 

I7guy

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If Apple COMPUTER co. still operated like this, there would be 99% less complaining about Tim Cook.

The entire "Pro" column has been wiped out because "Pro" computers can't be made THIN enough or have "enough battery life". Two things Pro users really don't care about.

Choice is all we want here
, not being told that everyone is a ProSumer whether they like it or not. That doesn't work for Pros or Consumers. Consumers end up with more computer ( and cost ) than they want, Pros end up with not enough CPU GPU or RAM regardless how much they are willing to spend. So Tim Cooks plan is to make NOBODY happy. Then they can exit the God-forsaken computer business that they hate so much.

As i consistently say... Apple USED TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. A Pro Line, A Consumer line. Now they just seem angry that we force them to make computers at all.

It is NOT that difficult to fill these four squares, right now Apple only has ONE square... ProSumer Deskbook.

All the other squares have cars, watches, and Beats products.


main-qimg-6e4da249fcea78a6e1d7e8bca0f0a91f-c
I can't say nobody is happy. Some of us are happy, some aren't.
 

Galacticos

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If Apple COMPUTER co. still operated like this, there would be 99% less complaining about Tim Cook.

The entire "Pro" column has been wiped out because "Pro" computers can't be made THIN enough or have "enough battery life". Two things Pro users really don't care about.

Choice is all we want here
, not being told that everyone is a ProSumer whether they like it or not. That doesn't work for Pros or Consumers. Consumers end up with more computer ( and cost ) than they want, Pros end up with not enough CPU GPU or RAM regardless how much they are willing to spend. So Tim Cooks plan is to make NOBODY happy. Then they can exit the God-forsaken computer business that they hate so much.

As i consistently say... Apple USED TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. A Pro Line, A Consumer line. Now they just seem angry that we force them to make computers at all.

It is NOT that difficult to fill these four squares, right now Apple only has ONE square... ProSumer Deskbook.

All the other squares have cars, watches, and Beats products.


main-qimg-6e4da249fcea78a6e1d7e8bca0f0a91f-c

Pro has become a marketing term that has no meaning other than increased price. Classic Tim Cook
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I can't say nobody is happy. Some of us are happy, some aren't.

If Apple had sprung into existence yesterday with its current lineup, I could see how some people could be happy. How can someone who has owned Apple computers for ~ 10 years be happy looking at where they have been and where they are now?
 

C DM

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Pro has become a marketing term that has no meaning other than increased price. Classic Tim Cook
That is to say that for example iPad Pro doesn't have anything over the non-Pro iPads? Or MacBook Pro doesn't have anything over the non-Pro MacBooks? Or Mac Pro doesn't have anything over non-Pro Macs?
 

Galacticos

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That is to say that for example iPad Pro doesn't have anything over the non-Pro iPads? Or MacBook Pro doesn't have anything over the non-Pro MacBooks? Or Mac Pro doesn't have anything over non-Pro Macs?

What a simplistic argument to make. Apples marketing as clearly worked well on you.

-there are no 'non pro' iPads, just older ones. So the pro is better than technology released over a year ago. Big deal.
-non pro MacBook? Oh you mean the word processor. So a pro computer is anything that can play a movie in over 480p for longer than 5 minutes? Even Apple salespeople knock the MacBook
- yes the Mac Pro is for pros. But it's now very old and a product that should surely have seen some upgrades if Apple were interested in 'pro' users.
 
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C DM

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What a simplistic argument to make. Apples marketing as clearly worked well on you.

-there are no 'non pro' iPads, just older ones. So the pro is better than technology released over a year ago. Big deal.
-non pro MacBook? Oh you mean the word processor. So a pro computer is anything that can play a movie in over 480p for longer than 5 minutes? Even Apple salespeople knock the MacBook
- yes the Mac Pro is for pros. But it's now very old and a product that should surely have seen some upgrades if Apple were interested in 'pro' users.
So basically it's not just a marketing term that has no meaning other than increased price. Got it.
 
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I7guy

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Pro has become a marketing term that has no meaning other than increased price. Classic Tim Cook
[doublepost=1480463077][/doublepost]

If Apple had sprung into existence yesterday with its current lineup, I could see how some people could be happy. How can someone who has owned Apple computers for ~ 10 years be happy looking at where they have been and where they are now?
As a consumer I only care about what Apple does for me today and whether their products are worth it to me today.
 
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