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Tim Cook discussion thread [merged]

Radon87000 said:
Again how is he to blame for NOT copying Microsoft's vision (because that's what you are wanting him to do) ? Before Timmy took over the iPad was already the best tablet on the planet with zero competition so why change the formula?



There is a lot more to pro than a faster processor and a better display. iPad Pro only has the above . Surface while not completely useful for dedicated productivity (as I mentioned above) is still good for productivity on the go because it can run desktop and legacy office apps so the naming is justified to a extent . However the only true pro device is the Surface Book
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He is to blame for not seeing where this whole thing was going and left Cook in a pickle for slumping sales. Would have been the same if he was "in charge".

We can agree to disagree on what the moniker pro means. If you are against apple at this point, one will rail against them. If you are for apple, you can see their point. Very simple really. Whether you think the SP4 is a pro device is irrelevant. Microsoft gave it that name. And in that realm I can see why it's a pro device, the same as why apple gave their devices a pro moniker. But again, this is all personal viewpoints; subjective at best.
 
I've seen a lot of people becoming more and more unhappy with Apple lately, so I am curious what the real numbers of support are for Tim.
 
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I7guy said:
He is to blame for not seeing where this whole thing was going and left Cook in a pickle for slumping sales. Would have been the same if he was "in charge".
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It's thanks to Jobs that the iPad was the market leader (and still is) when Jobs passed on the baton to Cook. I doubt Cook would have been able to invent such a device let alone capture the market share along with profit it has considering how the Apple Watch is still nowhere near iPad

We can agree to disagree on what the moniker pro means. If you are against apple at this point, one will rail against them. If you are for apple, you can see their point. Very simple really. Whether you think the SP4 is a pro device is irrelevant. Microsoft gave it that name. And in that realm I can see why it's a pro device, the same as why apple gave their devices a pro moniker. But again, this is all personal viewpoints; subjective at best.
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They did nothing unique with the pro.Just slapped on a label and charged a premium.Thats the point being made . At least Microsoft tried its hand at differentiation
 
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Radon87000 said:
It's thanks to Jobs that the iPad was the market leader (and still is) when Jobs passed on the baton to Cook. I doubt Cook would have been able to invent such a device let alone capture the market share along with profit it has considering how the Apple Watch is still nowhere near iPad



They did nothing unique with the pro.Just slapped on a label and charged a premium.Thats the point being made . At least Microsoft tried its hand at differentiation
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Nobody then does anything unique with anything, which is a point made a long time ago. Everything anybody does is derived from something or somebody else.

So I guess you are tacitly agreeing, while the iPad is a great device sj missed the mark on where convergence would go and left Timmy in a pickle.:cool:

Actually sj did not invent a bigger form factor device, such devices were already running windows.
 
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I'd completely rebrand the MacBook lineup. Axe the current MacBook Air design, rebrand the ultralight MacBook as the new MacBook Air. Then I'd rebrand the current MacBook Pro as the MacBook. It's basically designed for Prosumers anyway. Finally, I'd roll out a proper professional MacBook Pro that puts its focus on performance and power rather than thinness and gimmicky features.

I'd also probably bring back something akin to the old G5 case style Mac Pro. Maybe phase out of the yearly update model as well and do more soft updates on products replacing bits with the latest and greatest as it became available rather than waiting years to do a refresh because "we really wanted to blow the world away."
 
ardchoille50 said:
Aye, I vote with my wallet too. I won't blindly assume that I know how to run a multi-country, multi-billion dollar corporation until I at least earn a graduate degree in business administration.
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Don't think you need a MBA.

I mean, it's just Apple, this little company that Forbes and MSNBC, among other pundits that can't sell a newspaper if their life depended on it, soon they will be filling for bankruptcy and all...
 
The problem with this poll is whether he is good or not depends on how you view him- as a CEO responsible to the shareholders, or as a technical leader. As much as I wish his tech actions were different, by the normal metrics of a CEO, he is doing well. Apple is quite profitable.
 
so, all these hardware problems can be a result from Tim ?

Possibly.. We are seeing more hardware problems than say 5 years ago.. I don't think its a question of weather he personally is a good CEO.... more so, what he runs the company as is more important to me, because overall that says weather "we" customers will get good products as a result.
 
Tech198 said:
so, all these hardware problems can be a result from Tim ?

Possibly.. We are seeing more hardware problems than say 5 years ago.. I don't think its a question of weather he personally is a good CEO.... more so, what he runs the company as is more important to me, because overall that says weather "we" customers will get good products as a result.
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It means he is not paying attention and not demanding better quality control. Apple has always had product issues...but some lately are just lazy. He is not keeping a keen eye on the processes. He is out doing things that keep the PRSI articles flowing instead of keeping a hard focus on the products. Apple has shown throughout its history that it benefits more from a product centric CEO.
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Beachguy said:
The problem with this poll is whether he is good or not depends on how you view him- as a CEO responsible to the shareholders, or as a technical leader. As much as I wish his tech actions were different, by the normal metrics of a CEO, he is doing well. Apple is quite profitable.
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Short term profit does not equal long term success.
 
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Beachguy said:
The problem with this poll is whether he is good or not depends on how you view him- as a CEO responsible to the shareholders, or as a technical leader. As much as I wish his tech actions were different, by the normal metrics of a CEO, he is doing well. Apple is quite profitable.
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He is trading the future value of the Apple brand and company (which was built by somebody else) for short term profits.
When people say he's a good CEO for shareholders it makes me feel ill. What would a failure look like from somebody who parachutes in on the biggest company (and most resourced company) in the world.. how bad can they do!? Well, I'd say about as bad as tim crook
 
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I7guy said:
Nobody then does anything unique with anything, which is a point made a long time ago. Everything anybody does is derived from something or somebody else.
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Cook didn't invent a viable product line in 5 years.Jobs developed 3 smashing product lines in 10 years which blew everyone away

So I guess you are tacitly agreeing, while the iPad is a great device sj missed the mark on where convergence would go and left Timmy in a pickle.:cool:

Actually sj did not invent a bigger form factor device, such devices were already running windows.
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Clearly the point flew over your head. Jobs did the right thing on convergence as it became the best selling tablet on the planet within years after launch . Converged devices like Surface didn't . In other words Cook should be thankful to Jobs for delivering product lines ( all cash cows ) with record breaking statistics

The devices running Windows needed stylus and wasn't even designed for touch . Jobs invented a large form factor which was actually usable
 
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Galacticos said:
He is trading the future value of the Apple brand and company (which was built by somebody else) for short term profits.
When people say he's a good CEO for shareholders it makes me feel ill. What would a failure look like from somebody who parachutes in on the biggest company (and most resourced company) in the world.. how bad can they do!? Well, I'd say about as bad as tim crook
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He also doesn't need to care about Apple at all. He is rich now. He can go anywhere and do anything. He has no personal connection like Steve Jobs did. It just isn't as precious to him and it show. It's a shame really because those that are emotionally invested are the ones not afraid of investors and stock holders and can make the best products and do the best work. Apple needs more than financial leadership. It needs someone with a deep deep emotional connection.
 
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Cineplex said:
He also doesn't need to care about Apple at all. He is rich now. He can go anywhere and do anything. He has no personal connection like Steve Jobs did. It just isn't as precious to him and it show. It's a shame really because those that are emotionally invested are the ones not afraid of investors and stock holders and can make the best products and do the best work. Apple needs more than financial leadership. It needs someone with a deep deep emotional connection.
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You've nailed it with the word emotional. Tim Cook is a walking talking calculator. He has fake smiles, fake laughs, and fake empathy. he shows contempt for the relationship customers have with the brand and it's little wonder given how unconvincing he is at faking feeling anything human. He probably runs on a set of AA batteries
 
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Galacticos said:
It never ceases to amaze me how many people want to attribute Steve jobs' determination to create, listen and change according to feedback, and ability to drive categories forward to an accounts manager who has not one creative bone in his body
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I can't find a more accurate descriptor for the guy then Apple's Steve Ballmer
 
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Galacticos said:
You've nailed it with the word emotional. Tim Cook is a walking talking calculator. He has fake smiles, fake laughs, and fake empathy. he shows contempt for the relationship customers have with the brand and it's little wonder given how unconvincing he is at faking feeling anything human. He probably runs on a set of AA batteries
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In fairness, his batteries are rechargeable. But you can't do that while you're listening to him.
 
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Radon87000 said:
Cook didn't invent a viable product line in 5 years.Jobs developed 3 smashing product lines in 10 years which blew everyone away


Clearly the point flew over your head. Jobs did the right thing on convergence as it became the best selling tablet on the planet within years after launch . Converged devices like Surface didn't . In other words Cook should be thankful to Jobs for delivering product lines ( all cash cows ) with record breaking statistics

The devices running Windows needed stylus and wasn't even designed for touch . Jobs invented a large form factor which was actually usable
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If cook didn't invent any product, 5s, 6, 6s, 7 then neither did Jobs. Jobs copied what was already out there.

Clearly YOU missed the point, jobs left cook with a failure because he didn't correctly predict the convergence of devices. Plus he didn't even invent larger form tablet devices, which had been around for years running windows.
 
I7guy said:
If cook didn't invent any product, 5s, 6, 6s, 7 then neither did Jobs. Jobs copied what was already out there.
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Read my post again.I very clearly stated product line .And I would like to see evidence of an iPhone resemblance which existed when Jobs invented iPhone .

Clearly YOU missed the point, jobs left cook with a failure because he didn't correctly predict the convergence of devices. Plus he didn't even invent larger form tablet devices, which had been around for years running windows.
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Haha.The best selling tablet on the planet "a failure" .Good one . Maybe Tim just doesnt give it the attention it deserves like the other languishing product lines apart from iPhone
 
Radon87000 said:
Read my post again.I very clearly stated product line .And I would like to see evidence of an iPhone resemblance which existed when Jobs invented iPhone .


Haha.The best selling tablet on the planet "a failure" .Good one . Maybe Tim just doesnt give it the attention it deserves like the other languishing product lines apart from iPhone
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada

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LG Electronics has stated the iPhone's design and concept was copied from the first LG Prada, the KE850.

Woo-Young Kwak, head of LG Mobile Handset R&D Center, said at a press conference, “We consider that Apple copied the Prada phone after the design was unveiled when it was presented in the iF Design Award and won the prize in September 2006. We take that to mean Apple stole our idea.”[9]

The KE850 received a 2007 iF product design award,[10] where entries had to be shipped by September 2006.
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