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Even if an Apple Watch worked fully independent from an iPhone, it still doesn't justify itself on what it can perform. It's a toy
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Even if an Apple Watch worked fully independent from an iPhone, it still doesn't justify itself on what it can perform. It's a toy
What is it that makes a samatwatch not a toy then?
If Apple could answer that we wouldn't be having this discussion and they'd have far higher sales
The biggest Jobs lesson at all: If you wow the consumer, you'll win the investor, but if you focus on the investor, you'll eventually forget the customer.
And customers are displeased.Sales of the iPhone are proof
What do you mean "Was" ? It still is .A testament to Jobs prowess that despite the Surface Pro 4 literally destroying the iPad from a usability perspective as you say , people arent buying Surfaces any more than before.iPad is still king
And Steve invented the iPhone without which Timmy wouldnt have an iPhone 6 to invent
On the other hand Apple is the most valuable company, proof the customers are happy. Apples guidance for the next quarter is $75b, more proof.
Timmy invented the iPhone 6, etc. jobs would not have released that phone and Apple would be floundering.
Yep, was. Android is better than iOS because it sells more.
The problem here is that you need to be freed from your phone. The solution isn't to tether you to a 2nd device, it's to make your phone less attached to your hip. Notifications should be less prominent, not ding 2x in case you ignore the first one. Apps shouldn't be allowed to spam me with notifications at random - collect them and show them to me when I choose to look at my phone. The problem is that Apple's defaults are set up to annoy the heck out of their customers.
Except many people want to know about something as soon as it happens, but they sure wouldn't mind easier and more efficient ways to accomplish it all.
Thats all old news because of inertia from the Jobs era.Alphabet is second only to Apple in market cap and unlike Apple has many innovative projects in the works so from a future perspective,Alphabet is where its at . Sales decline proves that customers are no longer happy with Apple.Raising the ASP proves that Apple is no longer confident in its ability to sell more phones at the same price it used to
You are right.He wouldnt have copied the competition so lamely. He would have probably come out with another revolutionary category and caused 10 times the impact the iPhone 6 did
WhaT does the OS in general have to do with iPad sales?iPad is at the top in tablet marketshareYep, was. Android is better than iOS because it sells more.
Not inertia, moving forward decisively. Remember Timmy was hand-picked. And he has done a great job, if you leave the on-line forum world. He actually moved the company forward with his vision in spite of the jobs created iPad issue. Remember most valuable company means customer and investors are happy.
iPad is great but when windows is needed I turn to my sp4. Virtual machines, full office, iTunes etc.
It's too bad the competitors get such a bad rap for copying Apple, eh?
Many people, including myself, are turned off when business leaders publicly dabble in political opinion but since Cook had waded into those dangerous waters I feel it is fair to pose questions.
I wonder if Jobs would have strong social position of the North Carolina Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act, as the discrimination concepts/human rights apply elsewhere in the world or if he would lack any sort of spine as Cook has clearly demonstrated. It's easy for Cook to have a position in this country but in other countries not so much and Cook has not demonstrated leadership qualities in that regard.
I wonder if Jobs would have strong social position of the North Carolina Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act, as the discrimination concepts/human rights apply elsewhere in the world or if he would lack any sort of spine as Cook has clearly demonstrated. It's easy for Cook to have a position in this country but in other countries not so much and Cook has not demonstrated leadership qualities in that regard.
The South Carolina HB2 bill (which with wonderful "newspeak" calls a hateful and discriminatory act the "North Carolina Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act") clearly targets a set of people for discrimination based solely on their gender identity.
Apple Lambda (the Apple LGBT employee group) was established while Jobs was in charge. Apple moved into the 100% HRC Corporate Equality Index during Steve's reign. Clearly Jobs supported LGBT rights. You'd have to ignore years of precedent to say that Apple moved to support LGBT equality under Cook - where clearly Jobs wouldn't have passed the reins to his gay COO if sexual orientation were an issue for Jobs. Apple has been 100% on the HRC CEI for years before Jobs passed.
It is very different for a multinational company that has offices in countries that consider homosexual thought (not just action, but merely the thought) to be criminal. A fine line needs to be walked to gently move those countries to the 21st century. How Apple approaches basic human rights in other countries has to be looked at in the context of the laws of the countries where Apple does business.
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So this decisiveness led to tanking sales.In other words bad decisions were taken.
Great job?You call Touch Disease , declining sales, Error 53 , macbook graphics fiascos a great job?
You call this "Pro" Machine with 2 input connectors a great job?
lol I almost spit out my coffee reading about this "vision" .So whats Tim's vision?Making everything thinner and more watch bands? More emojis?Or coming out with concrete product lines , a solid road map , not shutting down innovative projects like the Apple car? At least Jobs wasnt stupid enough to let a product governing 65% of Apple's revenue start a decline
So whats your point? When I need hardcore performance , I turn away from my XPS 13 to my i7 6800K desktop with a GTX 970.Its big and monstrous by Apple's "Pro" standards but it will wipe the floor with Apple's desktops and laptops for years to come. When I need mobility I go for the XPS . When I need content consumption I look at my iPad . Surface tried to do everything but ends up not being good at anything in particular
Its too bad no one copies Apple nowadays. They have become to predictable.In fact its Apple now copying the competition . Wireless charging,Glass back,curved OLED display is the anniversary edition.Does it remind you of a certain phone?
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But in what world are you living? Of course it is inertia!
Do we have another Tim relative here?
Or maybe a Shareholder that only cares about short term profits?
Or an Apple employee... because trying so hard to defend Tim's Apple nowadays with such passion only means it's personal.
No one copies Apple? Certainly not the feeling that others have in very recent posts around here. Apple is doing very well. The rest of your post is just the same stuff rehashed in this tit for tat exchange.
And yes, the specs you mentioned remind me of a combination of the look of the 4 and the speed of the 7. That look has been around for years, before Samsung copied it. What's your point?
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what idiotic hyperbole. Now I might have said something different if you "called out" the other guy for the constant "Tim bashing" as well. Don't like Apple, buy other products really simple.
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Yes.Previously they USED TO copy Apple back when it was a pioneer in the industry.Not any more.I have seen Android designs which put the iPhone to shame.
Can you prove manufacturers copy Apple?I am genuinely curious where this is coming from.Also dont give me those bargain bin manufacturers like Huawei and Xiaomi.
So just using the glass as a material is a copy?
How is THIS
Any similar to this
Jobs was a genius and he had an incredible eye for talent. His presentations were always spot on and he wasn't afraid to waste money if he did not like the final product. Cook would rather release something than waste money, his vision is questionable and more focused on dollar signs and his political views.
I'm sure some here know about Ballmer he took over from Bill Gates was more focused on the quick bugs and it cost MS. Nadella has the vision part checked but he lacks an eye for QA which is absolutely neccessary if you demand premium prices, ie ,2.700 euros for a dual core surfacebook.
The sad reality is, visionaries like Jobs and Gates will never be replaced those two have given the tech world so much
I'm sure some here know about Ballmer he took over from Bill Gates was more focused on the quick bugs and it cost MS. Nadella has the vision part checked but he lacks an eye for QA which is absolutely neccessary if you demand premium prices, ie ,2.700 euros for a dual core surfacebook.
The sad reality is, visionaries like Jobs and Gates will never be replaced those two have given the tech world so much
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada
LG Electronics has stated the iPhone's design and concept was copied from the first LG Prada, the KE850.
Woo-Young Kwak, head of LG Mobile Handset R&D Center, said at a press conference, “We consider that Apple copied the Prada phone after the design was unveiled when it was presented in the iF Design Award and won the prize in September 2006. We take that to mean Apple stole our idea.”[9]
The KE850 received a 2007 iF product design award,[10] where entries had to be shipped by September 2006.
Oh yeah... Apple straight-up copied the LG Prada:
When Apple started developing the iPhone in 2004... they must have had spies in South Korea seeing what LG was working on, huh. There's no way Apple could have come up with this "idea" themselves (even though we've all heard the stories... some from Steve Jobs himself)
Seriously... when exactly did Apple "steal" this idea from LG ?
I never understood this.
LG claims their idea was stolen after the LG Prada was shown off in September 2006.
But that makes no sense... since the iPhone was already in development for two years prior. And it was nearing completion in late 2006 since it was to be shown off at MacWorld just a few months later.
So again... when did this supposed "stealing" take place?
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Apple will not produce a phone that looks like a copy, guaranteed. That example is a bad example, because they both are rectangular, have screens and speaker holes. That's about where this discussion is. Samsung copied sharp, plain and simple. Apple will Produce an iPhone, not an s7. And it will be another cook blockbuster.Yes.Previously they USED TO copy Apple back when it was a pioneer in the industry.Not any more.I have seen Android designs which put the iPhone to shame.
Can you prove manufacturers copy Apple?I am genuinely curious where this is coming from.Also dont give me those bargain bin manufacturers like Huawei and Xiaomi.
So just using the glass as a material is a copy?
How is THIS
Any similar to this
By the way the use of the word "prove", can you prove they don't? Samsung mysteriously is producing a jet black phone after apple introduced that color with the iphone 7. Does that "prove" other manufacturers do? It's already been "proven" in this thread Samsung copied Sharp with the bezelless design. So if apple goes with that, who are they "copying". Is including a piece of hardware in a design, that was there before considered copying by you? Like a cell phone chip or a fingerprint reader. How many times must it be said, apple did not invent the fingerprint reader, but what they did with 5s (timmy/also 64 bit), and 3dt on the 6s(timmy), changed the way users fundamentally interact with their phones. You don't personally have to like it or acknowledge it. Google stepped up their use of looooonnnnngggg press after 3dt. And every other phone manufacturer sought to raise the bar.
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Actually Watson of ibm has given the world much more than the two mentioned. Sadly it is not the same company.
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In my area I find the genius area is mostly filled with douche bags (they type driving a $80k+ Mercedes) throwing fits because they caused intentional damage to the phone and expect Apple to fix it for free. Or the same people have no idea how technology works and are making outlandish requests and throwing temper tantrums. I've seen it all in that place. I saw a woman stomp her foot down, break her high heel, and then start crying and yelling/screeching. It's a classy place. It is clearly not the same store as it was in 2001.
But it is a copy
They are using Samsung Curved OLED displays
They are reducing the size of beZels a Samsung tradition
They are also adopting wireless charging which Samsung has pioneered for years
You can give it any shell or exterior you want but the thing is these have been Samsung design choices for years now
Sharp Aquos still has bezels(Just look at that chin) and Samsung is producing a bezel less design which means no bezels. Do you understand the difference?
Yes because ever since Tim took over, none of Apple's competitors devices looks remotely like an iPhone or its design features been copied in any way . No one even bothered to copy 3DT
Ah this fallacy again . You do know that Samsung has offered this variant of black on their special edition Galaxy Edges before the iPhone 7 right?
Also this is actually superior to the jet black because it doesn't scratch if you even breathe on it the wrong way
No one copied 3DT for nearly 2 years now because Android has had this right click function for years and the finger print reader too. 64 bit is just a spec sheet item . What user facing benefits did it provide?
And as a user of Android and a 3DT capable iPhone I can assure you I find the long press right click much better than the deeeeeeep press 3DT .
Most of the time on my iPhone I apply less pressure and end up entering the menu or that icon placing screen
Oh and unlike Apple and their planned obsolescence model, Google enabled right click menu on all their devices right down till the $150 Moto G while the iPhone 6 is on the back burner for Apple
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First, You actually don't know what apple is doing. You are citing rumors as fact and the idea of curved screens have been out since the 1960s.
Adopting wireless charging is like adopting the cellular chip, headphone jack
confused, sd card, flash memory, home button, volume control etc.Here in the US designs are patented but you can make a derivative work. Sharp Aquos was the first, and Samsung copied that, plain and simple.
Seems very coincidental Samsung brought out a jet black version after the raging success of the iphone 7 model.
Apple has had long click, since IOS 4(or 5), but loooonnnggg press is so irrriitttating, and not better. I tried it out, it's pretty annoying, but I guess one gets used to things.
So with planned obsolescence google basically abandons android models over two years old, while the ipad 2(2011-2016) and iphone 4s (2011-2016) are fully patched and up to date with continuing updates from all current apps from the app store. That's some planned obsolescence right there. These devices are lasting longer than cars. Maybe you were expecting apple to support the 3GS.
They were doing great in 2012, then 2013 hit and it all started going downhill, and well... Here we are. My iPhone won't hold a charge, my iPad 2 and Mini are pretty much useless, the operating systems aren't fun and look horrible, the product lines are confusing, most products are outdated, and things are getting way too overpriced.
As a visionary Tim Cook isn't great, but as a business man, he's doing well.
As a visionary Tim Cook isn't great, but as a business man, he's doing well.
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