Time to tell Apple where they can stick Yosemite?-and it's where the sun don't shine.

[adamhenry]

you're kidding right? much of what happens on this forum (and macrumors forums in general) is troubleshooting; finding fixes, and when needed, workarounds. really, outside of the whining threads, THAT'S mostly what this forum is for. and btw, modding the dock is NOT a general OS X function...it's not apple's job to support modding the OS (which i do a lot of ).

we need a separate forum here for whining, and this particular forum can go back to asking for, and providing, help...

I monitor a hobby forum that has a Tavern sub-forum where the ranters and fanboys trade blows which keeps the other forums clear for advice and questions.

 

[HenryDJP]

Rock solid my ass...! There has never been any rock solid 10.x.5 releases...

Uh, you haven't been using OS X since inception. Pretty obvious. The best, most stable and probably considered problem-free version of OS X was Tiger 10.4. If you disagree then you never used it.

 

[fisherking]

Uh, you haven't been using OS X since inception. Pretty obvious. The best, most stable and probably considered problem-free version of OS X was Tiger 10.4. If you disagree then you never used it.

i've been on OS X since 10.2, and for me, the best version, in every way, was 10.6.8. however, my fave is now 10.10.2...bugs notwithstanding. and yosemite has been my most STABLE os x version so far.

 

[b0fh666]

i've been on OS X since 10.2, and for me, the best version, in every way, was 10.6.8. however, my fave is now 10.10.2...bugs notwithstanding. and yosemite has been my most STABLE os x version so far.

you're kidding right? I'm hitting more bugs than in the early lion days

better than 10.10.1 at least... that was messy

 

[Irishman]

No. I wasn't paying attention back then.

Makes sense.

How much experience prior to Yosemite, Mavericks and Snow Leopard do you have with operating systems?

 

[fisherking]

you're kidding right? I'm hitting more bugs than in the early lion days

better than 10.10.1 at least... that was messy

a couple of bugs, and they're not pretty. but everything else is stellar. meanwhile, i love the look, the speed, and especially, the overall stability.

everyone's experience is different. you know that, right? some people (with every version of the OS), have a good experience, others don't. so it's always a mistake to assume that one's issue are everyone's issues.

and, as has been pointed out often, every version of OS X has it's fans, and detractors. so we'll be back to the same conversation next year as well.

 

[Eithanius]

Uh, you haven't been using OS X since inception. Pretty obvious. The best, most stable and probably considered problem-free version of OS X was Tiger 10.4. If you disagree then you never used it.

Not since inception... My very first Mac was an iMac G5 with iSight that came with 10.4.2... My bad then, maybe I should rephrase it...

"There has never been any rock solid 10.x.5 release post-SL"...

Satisfied...?

 

[HenryDJP]

a couple of bugs, and they're not pretty. but everything else is stellar. meanwhile, i love the look, the speed, and especially, the overall stability.

everyone's experience is different. you know that, right? some people (with every version of the OS), have a good experience, others don't. so it's always a mistake to assume that one's issue are everyone's issues.

and, as has been pointed out often, every version of OS X has it's fans, and detractors. so we'll be back to the same conversation next year as well.

I will agree. I love the look. Probably the best UI of any version OS X, IMO. It's fresh and consistent. Before the most recent update I suffered a couple of bugs too but they were definitely fixed after the update.

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Not since inception... My very first Mac was an iMac G5 with iSight that came with 10.4.2... My bad then, maybe I should rephrase it...

"There has never been any rock solid 10.x.5 release post-SL"...

Satisfied...?

SL didn't even get good until 10.6.5. Don't know why some people keep on praising it as if it was the holy grail of OS X because it was a mess in the beginning. Just a couple of things to remind you about since you were around at the time. 10.6.0 suffered blue screens of death during installations. 10.6.1 had stability issues and the transparency was ridiculous. Apple fixed the transparency in 10.6.3 but they took too much of it away which angered customers....I can go on.
I've been on Mac since Mac OS 8.5. That was when Microsoft went out their way to make the best version of Office for Mac and Internet Explorer for Mac was fantastic.

 

[hiddenmarkov]

not seeing the business impact rant aspect.

Maybe its my many years in IT but....you don't implement systems/upgrades/etc until its been tested. Especially if it affects business operations.


Don't do this its buyer beware so to speak (last upgrades have been free granted lol).


New and shiny usually nice to have but if its affecting business operations sometimes you have to stick to old faithful as it were. At least until things are ironed out.

I apply this with M$ stuff and even Linux servers we have. Major upgrades are tested before they are even thought about implemented to test users outside the IT section.


Testing shows business ops degraded if not broken...that upgrade dies on the test bed till something changes and warrants a retest.

 

[fisherking]

not seeing the business impact rant aspect.

Maybe its my many years in IT but....you don't implement systems/upgrades/etc until its been tested. Especially if it affects business operations.


Don't do this its buyer beware so to speak (last upgrades have been free granted lol).


New and shiny usually nice to have but if its affecting business operations sometimes you have to stick to old faithful as it were. At least until things are ironed out.

I apply this with M$ stuff and even Linux servers we have. Major upgrades are tested before they are even thought about implemented to test users outside the IT section.


Testing shows business ops degraded if not broken...that upgrade dies on the test bed till something changes and warrants a retest.

for every story there's another story. i helped a friend's graphics firm update their imacs (and add new imacs) about 3 weeks ago. now every mac there is on yosemite (and the new adobe model), and everything is awesome (and they're happy).

also, while i think of it: snow leopard truly became definitive at 10.6.8. that version was one of apple's best OS moments...

 

[satcomer]

For those of you having a smooth, trouble-free Yosemite experience and are obviously not interested in reading about or are selectively unaware of the 'nightmares' other people are having with this operating system as discussed extensively on this forum and in many other fields - ( drivers that will integrate seamlessly with the new operating system ….. without these peripheral manufacturers your products and their uses are a .....

Why haven't you submitted problems to Apple's OS X Feedback form or do you just want to rant wildly all over these forums?

 

[eco7777]

i agree with the op.
I just can't find my old disk

 

[Cisco_Kid]

10.10 been running smoothly on all 18 of our new 5K iMacs we purchased for a new lab, running fine on three older Mac's at home....

 

[Eithanius]

SL didn't even get good until 10.6.5. Don't know why some people keep on praising it as if it was the holy grail of OS X because it was a mess in the beginning. Just a couple of things to remind you about since you were around at the time. 10.6.0 suffered blue screens of death during installations. 10.6.1 had stability issues and the transparency was ridiculous. Apple fixed the transparency in 10.6.3 but they took too much of it away which angered customers....I can go on.
I've been on Mac since Mac OS 8.5. That was when Microsoft went out their way to make the best version of Office for Mac and Internet Explorer for Mac was fantastic.

You see, that is the problem with you guys... First when I say there was never a rock solid 10.x.5 release, you challenge me to use all OS X since its inception... Now when I say there was never a rock solid 10.x.5 post SL, you kept on bashing SL in its early days...

HELLO...!!! What else do you want...?

So what if you had used OS 8..? I've used that myself on a G3, albeit not my own unit. It was 10.2.8 on a post production G4 MDD that gotten me to ditched my PC and bought myself an iMac...

If you want bragging right, I let you have it... If you have issues with early days of SL, that's your problem... My experiences with my hardware has been 10.4.2 onwards with stability and bug-free from 10.4.9, 10.5.7, 10.6.6 onwards respectively, henceforth my statement there was never a rock solid 10.x.5 releases. And since 10.7 onwards never beyond x.5 releases, hence my rephrased statement post SL...

If you wanna talk about why people heap praises of SL, get Apple to release 10.10.8, then we'll talk... Else SL will still heap praises at 10.6.8 vs any 10.x.5 post SL for that matter...

 

[HenryDJP]

You see, that is the problem with you guys... First when I say there was never a rock solid 10.x.5 release, you challenge me to use all OS X since its inception... Now when I say there was never a rock solid 10.x.5 post SL, you kept on bashing SL in its early days...

HELLO...!!! What else do you want...?

So what if you had used OS 8..? I've used that myself on a G3, albeit not my own unit. It was 10.2.8 on a post production G4 MDD that gotten me to ditched my PC and bought myself an iMac...

If you want bragging right, I let you have it... If you have issues with early days of SL, that's your problem... My experiences with my hardware has been 10.4.2 onwards with stability and bug-free from 10.4.9, 10.5.7, 10.6.6 onwards respectively, henceforth my statement there was never a rock solid 10.x.5 releases. And since 10.7 onwards never beyond x.5 releases, hence my rephrased statement post SL...

If you wanna talk about why people heap praises of SL, get Apple to release 10.10.8, then we'll talk... Else SL will still heap praises at 10.6.8 vs any 10.x.5 post SL for that matter...

I think you're too emotionally tied up with what is just being a normal discussion here. Relax, don't know why you're so worked up?
I mentioned that I've been on Mac since Mac OS 8 to make a point that I have experienced virtually every version of Mac that mattered so I know what was good and not so good. This isn't about bragging rights or a pissing contest.

And for the record, it's your own fault as to how you're wording your posts. You do realize that "10.x.5" qualifies for any version of OS X since 10.0.5 right? Nobody is confused about anything you're saying, you're confusing yourself sir. Have an awesome day.

 

[Eithanius]

I think you're too emotionally tied up with what is just being a normal discussion here. Relax, don't know why you're so worked up?
I mentioned that I've been on Mac since Mac OS 8 to make a point that I have experienced virtually every version of Mac that mattered so I know what was good and not so good. This isn't about bragging rights or a pissing contest.

And for the record, it's your own fault as to how you're wording your posts. You do realize that "10.x.5" qualifies for any version of OS X since 10.0.5 right? Nobody is confused about anything you're saying, you're confusing yourself sir. Have an awesome day.

And to think that your so-called experiences translate your upper hand over other people's (of what you deemed) inaccurate and useless opinions...? It's bragging rights alright...

 

[Dubdrifter]

Daily Mail Reuter.

Just a quick reply to a few points:

1)Firstly, can I say how encouraged I am so many people are having a relatively seamless experience with Yosemite - a welcome surprise as I based my post on MANY accounts on MacRumours and other music/photography forums where people have been having a torrid time with the new OS.

2) I was hoping to get representative feedback - got a lot of "I'm all right Jack - must be user error" comments ….. but maybe the people with problems have wi-fi issues and other stuff going on and can't connect to the Internet to voice their opinions here. Interesting that "dav1dd" tried to upgrade on the weekend and it broke his wi-fi ….. an issue many have had and we are 6 months since launch …… is that normal? …. or should that bug have been fixed by now? Oh, sorry, must be user error? The experts on here, who incidentally do a great job correcting user error and trying to help us cope with Apple's new OS incompatibilities must be well hardened to accepting this is normal. And it's important to remember that for every poster with a problem there may be hundreds/possibly thousands more with the same issue - waiting for a solution.

3)To those who comment "You don't have to upgrade, we test thoroughly before upgrading" Nice to have the luxury of multiple devices and time and resources and expertise to beta test. But good to hear the business world isn't crippled by this upgrade. For others it's more of a Catch22 situation …… you never know until you download if you are going to be a new statistic on the ever burgeoning mental health register of the World within the next 48 hours!

4)Apple never seem to inform us in advance what the OS is NOT compatible with.
"Scared poet" says developers were well primed in advance with Yosemite for beta testing - more so than any previous release. Then why do people still have so many problems? Did the initial core concept of the new OS present unique difficulties? You get info on which issues have been resolved with the new update but not what is still causing major problems. Makes it difficult to know when to upgrade. Experienced users (twice bitten thrice shy) seem to delay quite a while.Trouble is you now only get 6 months of relatively trouble-free use before you are confronted with another "New Whizzo Must Have OS" that will have you running to the doctors for a new sedative prescription.

5)Technology moves fast these days - Maybe someone can write a bit explaining why we have to develop OS systems that have such painful birthing process - that get aborted prematurely just when they are maturing nicely. Was Yosemite so radically new - cleaner, leaner and so much faster - that they had to throw away a lot of really good stable code?

Footnote: Truly have no problem people copy/paste - as long as they don't then charge others to read or quote out of context. Yes, I did post on Cnet - but there was a glitch on 'Submit' so posted here.(Surely inaccurate to accuse me of "ranting" all over forums "satcomer" - total of 3 posts on here, none on other sites on this issue)

 

[Ethosik]

So why don't you downgrade then? If it give you this many problems, just downgrade. You upgraded without testing, fine. But it doesn't work for you, which is fine. Just downgrade and be happy.

The same thing would happen if you use some old program for Windows XP and IE 6 and upgraded to Windows 7 and it broke.

So let me get this straight, you use this for business and you do not have anything to test major OS upgrades? Then wait and do some research before you upgrade. There is a rule in most businesses with Windows. Wait until the first Service Pack to upgrade. This no longer applies since Microsoft got rid of Service Packs with 8.x/10. Now it is usually 1-1.5 years or so.

If you cannot test an OS before deployment, wait for a few months after release for updates/fixes and see what others are saying about it after those updates.

It is not like the Windows environment where you spent $200+ and it does not work. Yosemite was free, so just downgrade.

 

[Bending Pixels]

Dubdrifter - do you fell better? Would you like a hug?

 

[Pentad]

Uh, you haven't been using OS X since inception. Pretty obvious. The best, most stable and probably considered problem-free version of OS X was Tiger 10.4. If you disagree then you never used it.

Sorry, Snow Leopard was the best OS X ever.

 

[Paradoxally]

Sorry, Snow Leopard was the best OS X ever.

Absolutely. Tiger wasn't even close.

 

[HenryDJP]

Sorry, Snow Leopard was the best OS X ever.

Apologize to yourself because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, period.

Absolutely. Tiger wasn't even close.

Same response above applies to you as well. No worries, it's pretty obvious the lack of Mac OS experience some people have here. I'm willing to bet most of the Snow Leopard lovers here didn't buy their first Mac until Apple released the Intel Macs allowing people to install Windows as a crutch.

 

[roadbloc]

I agree that Apple's software has been lousy these past few years. Snow Leopard was probably the last decent OS X for me. Beyond that, it's just been gimmicked out with unnecessary iOS features and riddled with daft bugs that should have been fixed many releases ago.

I still use Tiger on my Macs. My favourite OS X by far. Simple, powerful and stable.

 

[HenryDJP]

I agree that Apple's software has been lousy these past few years. Snow Leopard was probably the last decent OS X for me. Beyond that, it's just been gimmicked out with unnecessary iOS features and riddled with daft bugs that should have been fixed many releases ago.

I still use Tiger on my Macs. My favourite OS X by far. Simple, powerful and stable.

I wish I could use Tiger on my latest Macs. I do like Yosemite but nothing has beat Tiger. It was the first and only version of OS X that worked fantastic right out of the box from it's 10.4.0 release. Tiger is when Microsoft took big notice of OS X and created Longhorn or better known as Windows Vista. Of course they failed at the attempt but it's hard to copy such an amazing OS as Tiger was.

 

[Eithanius]

Same response above applies to you as well. No worries, it's pretty obvious the lack of Mac OS experience some people have here. I'm willing to bet most of the Snow Leopard lovers here didn't buy their first Mac until Apple released the Intel Macs allowing people to install Windows as a crutch.

I used to be like you when I had my iMac G5 when Apple switched to Intel, hating all these Intel crap and the ability to install Windows, but my stand on Snow Leopard being the best OS X ever cannot go well with you either...

For the record, I've never used Windows for the past 10 years, so it's pretty obvious the lack of respect you have for other people's opinion while using this forum (to lash out your PPC obsession) as a crutch...