It is but less than 10.10...which feels like an improvement when you go back to 10.9
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Time to tell Apple where they can stick Yosemite?-and it's where the sun don't shine.
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It is but less than 10.10...which feels like an improvement when you go back to 10.9
BS. Don't give me that crap. Mavericks works fine without annoying lag. It is the OS.
do any of these posters believe that we ALL have the same issues, but are OKAY with it??
i have no lag on the finder in yosemite (nor did i in mavericks). if some people have an issue, and most people don't, then it's not the OS in general, it's an issue for those people...and should be looked into.
stop whining and start dealing with your issues. otherwise nothing gets fixed.
I don't think you understand how software works. If it effects some people, it's still a bug. If it effects a single person, it's a bug. It's something that Apple needs to fix, not the end user who is trying to use the program Apple provided.
i'm a freelance mac support person in nyc, since 2002. many of my clients are on mavericks, and some are now on yosemite (including two small companies now exclusively on 10.10.2). no one is experiencing 'finder lag'. that doesn't mean you don't have that issue. what it does mean is...something's up. the OS needs to be reinstalled, or there's a conflict somewhere. SOMETHING needs to be fixed.
a bug is something all or most experience. a problem is something that needs to be fixed in that individual case. you have a problem, you need to seek out a fix.
EDIT: to be fair, there may be common denominators for those with issues; ie a certain processor, or a conflict with a common app. either way, the place to start is with your mac, and it's pointless to assume that because you have an issue, everyone has that issue.
I would if I could...although I don't work for Apple so your solution holds no water.
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Exactly. People who don't work in IT would just say it's your problem.
that makes no sense. you're saying if your toyota doesn't work right, you can't get it fixed, because you don't work for toyota?
you can find solutions to problems thru: google, forums like this, the geniusbar, calling apple, finding mac support on craigslist.... if YOU have a problem, then it IS your problem, and you need to resolve it (by getting help). complaining on a forum like this will NOT solve anything.
That's different. With a car, I'm not a specialist so I would obviously contact people with more know-how. Why would I need Mac support when I'm a dev? I know how computers work.
This is not a user error, it is a bug. Many have expressed on this forum that they have this issue. I don't understand what it is you don't get...
...that MANY people (seems like MOST) DON'T have this problem. anyway, who cares how many do or don't? YOU do, get help. you know how computers work? but can't fix it? get a specialist, that's the whole point. how is complaining online helping? perhaps it's time to look at the big picture, and contact apple (or someone) and find a solution...rather than wishing for one.
anyway, will let it go. i've learned that some people want to complain, and others get help. make your choice. peace!
...that MANY people (seems like MOST) DON'T have this problem. anyway, who cares how many do or don't? YOU do, get help. you know how computers work? but can't fix it? get a specialist, that's the whole point. how is complaining online helping? perhaps it's time to look at the big picture, and contact apple (or someone) and find a solution...rather than wishing for one.
anyway, will let it go. i've learned that some people want to complain, and others get help. make your choice. peace!
In that particular case, it's more about aknowledging rather than complaining (or whining). Aknowledging that a specific (and somewhat important) application, the Finder, doesn't perform as efficiently as it should, because it takes much time to do some very simple tasks (listing folders, scrolling, (re)drawing windows - we're talking basic OS stuff here). The fact that something rather complex happens in background is irrelevant, because the OS is not supposed to be the one that underperforms.
When you clean install Yosemite and the first thing you notice is a slower Finder, no one needs a "specialist".
yosemite is a clean install on my mac, and am not experiencing a slow finder. for many of my clients (plus my GF, and my brother, for example), yosemite is an update...and no slow finder. this is NOT a universal problem. also, there's a huge difference between acknowledging a problem, and the whining that happens on this forum.
Are you honestly saying that the Finder in Yosemite is as fast as Mavericks? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is slow, I'm only saying it's slower than Mavericks. I had Yosemite on my MacPros for 3 months, I could get my work done, I could use the Finder just fine, but there are a few things that annoyed me. And honestly, I never encountered any of the major bugs posted in these forums, except for the hostname thing. So I can say that Yosemite wasn't particularly unpleasant for me. Until an unfortunate issue (not related to Yosemite - as far I know) gave me no other choice than completely reinstall (clean) the OS. I wasn't sure about the source of the problem so I went with Mavericks. 10.9's Finder is clearly, and undoudbtedly faster. I'm not saying light years faster, but slightly, and noticeably. Which makes the whole experience a bit more satisfying than working in Yosemite. For me - and for now. Also, the exaggerated brightness is distracting, to say the least. Mavericks is much easier on the eyes... As much as I like iOS 8 on my iPhone (and I do) I'm not sure my desktop OS should follow the same philosophy. Despite what companies want us to believe, these are two completely different devices with a completely different usage.
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kind of ironic considering Yosemite's UI is supposed to look marvelous on retinas...
Nope... A clean install of Yosemite on my 2010 MBP also resulted in slow Finder... Bear in mind this is on an SSD...
I guess he needs to go back to Snow Leopard to experience how snappy Finder is...
I love the logic here. "My machine is wonky so the OS sucks." Sorry...or, let's try it the other way around.
I had some issues that never got resolved with Mavericks. Therefore, Mavericks sucks? Yosemite cured them, so that's proof twice over. You guys who are plugging Mavericks are using an OS that sucks.
By the way, the upgrade on my rMBP was flawless, but it hiccuped on the Mini. I did an internet recovery installation of Yo on the Mini and it worked flawlessly. Did the same to the rMBP after seeing the difference, even though it seemed to be running well.
I had some issues that never got resolved with Mavericks. Therefore, Mavericks sucks? Yosemite cured them, so that's proof twice over. You guys who are plugging Mavericks are using an OS that sucks.
By the way, the upgrade on my rMBP was flawless, but it hiccuped on the Mini. I did an internet recovery installation of Yo on the Mini and it worked flawlessly. Did the same to the rMBP after seeing the difference, even though it seemed to be running well.
Complaints about Yosemite are quite different.
Some past reactions
Thanks, but Mavericks is fine.
Finder itself is not slow.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=20635194#post20635194
the only absolute fact that i can discern from this thread is: some people are experiencing a slow finder in yosemite, and some are not. some think mavericks is a better OS, some think snow leopard was better. some think...you get the idea.
there ARE no absolutes here, so some people need fixes, and others don't. if everyone's experience was identical...there'd be little need for forums like this.
my sincere wish here is that everyone gets what they want (or get close to it). i expect to see bug fixes in yosemite, and hope that helps my own issues with the OS; just as i had that experience in every OS X since 10.2.
the bottom line is to be able to work, function well...and enjoy your mac. personally, am pretty happy right now.
there ARE no absolutes here, so some people need fixes, and others don't. if everyone's experience was identical...there'd be little need for forums like this.
my sincere wish here is that everyone gets what they want (or get close to it). i expect to see bug fixes in yosemite, and hope that helps my own issues with the OS; just as i had that experience in every OS X since 10.2.
the bottom line is to be able to work, function well...and enjoy your mac. personally, am pretty happy right now.
Actually, and this is unfortunate, but it's far worse in WinLand, I think the only thing that can really be determined safely is that different users with different machines configured in different ways running different software have different experiences.
It would be nice if it just worked...mostly, it does, much more than with Windows, but some people run into big problems. Sometimes it's user idiocy, and probably more often it's not.
Life is messy...
It would be nice if it just worked...mostly, it does, much more than with Windows, but some people run into big problems. Sometimes it's user idiocy, and probably more often it's not.
Life is messy...
I found getting rid of dropbox helped the finder speed. That was after reading somewhere (sorry no idea where) that it is constantly updating/communicating within Finder.
newellj sums it up well.
Interesting that we are getting a consensus that slightly differently configured devices from different eras are giving markedly different performances with Yosemite after a clean install.
Not being an expert on coding - Am I right in guessing that when we press "Download", Yosemite first analyses our machine configuration, then loads all the code elements that work fastest with our particular machine model, chip type, hard drive type,wi-fi element, dvd burner/drive(if you still have one) etc etc etc - so everyone gets a slightly different version of Yosemite?
If this is so, Yosemite's mixed performance as has been suggested, could be down to it not talking well to certain components - isolate which and you can then get Apple to work on that area of the OS's compatibility - but I guess they get all that info when you submit a problem report.
People are downloading large programs over many different specced networks - via wi-fi, ethernet cables etc. In the past CD downloads were fast and efficient and not prone to network congestion, buffering etc - is it possible this vulnerability during the download process maybe causing issues too?
Maybe we would get better reliability returning to a CD OSX install method - I'm sure some people would be prepared to pay for that. Having each OS handy on disc when your system completely fails takes a lot of the headache out of the restore process - in a fraction of the time.
On a slightly different issue - with different Apple users wanting slightly different things from an OS upgrade pushing their speciality to a new level - do you think in the future OS will come with different options that we can select for our own needs?
For example: Gamer's OS, Business OS, Musicians/Photographers OS and of course the current obsession for Apple Bauble Owners/Networking/Looking at Cat's doing daft things on Youtube OS .. Miaooowwwww!!
Maybe then we wouldn't lose our speciality software/app/plug-in compatability when we upgrade just because it is too complicated for the Bauble generation to comprehend!
Interesting that we are getting a consensus that slightly differently configured devices from different eras are giving markedly different performances with Yosemite after a clean install.
Not being an expert on coding - Am I right in guessing that when we press "Download", Yosemite first analyses our machine configuration, then loads all the code elements that work fastest with our particular machine model, chip type, hard drive type,wi-fi element, dvd burner/drive(if you still have one) etc etc etc - so everyone gets a slightly different version of Yosemite?
If this is so, Yosemite's mixed performance as has been suggested, could be down to it not talking well to certain components - isolate which and you can then get Apple to work on that area of the OS's compatibility - but I guess they get all that info when you submit a problem report.
People are downloading large programs over many different specced networks - via wi-fi, ethernet cables etc. In the past CD downloads were fast and efficient and not prone to network congestion, buffering etc - is it possible this vulnerability during the download process maybe causing issues too?
Maybe we would get better reliability returning to a CD OSX install method - I'm sure some people would be prepared to pay for that. Having each OS handy on disc when your system completely fails takes a lot of the headache out of the restore process - in a fraction of the time.
On a slightly different issue - with different Apple users wanting slightly different things from an OS upgrade pushing their speciality to a new level - do you think in the future OS will come with different options that we can select for our own needs?
For example: Gamer's OS, Business OS, Musicians/Photographers OS and of course the current obsession for Apple Bauble Owners/Networking/Looking at Cat's doing daft things on Youtube OS .. Miaooowwwww!!
Maybe then we wouldn't lose our speciality software/app/plug-in compatability when we upgrade just because it is too complicated for the Bauble generation to comprehend!
Nope, AFAIK everyone gets the same installer file.
But this could still be the case.
Unlikely, the file downloads and is verified before the installation starts.
More reliable - No. Faster - not if you keep a copy of the installer file.
Overly complex IMHO and wouldn't improve the OS quality or function.
So some apps might suddenly need to be compatible with several OS's??
Misunderstandings of Finder
That's another misunderstanding of Finder. Please see the link in my previous post.
That's another misunderstanding of Finder. Please see the link in my previous post.
Depends. If it's caused by external factors like third-party software and/or hardware per example it's not really something you can pin on Apple in my opinion. I did a clean installation of OS X Yosemite and on a day-to-day basis Finder performance is exactly the same as it was on OS X Mavericks.
Im running Yosemite on my 2011 MBA and my 2012 iMac with Zero issues. Wifi is rock solid, All my apps work fine, My email works perfectly and the system runs nice and snappy on both machines. Every OS release there is always a small group of people that have issues, 9 times out of 10 a clean install fixes most issues.