It's the same installer for everyone. App Store first checks if your mac is supported, then gives you access to the download. The installer will also check if your mac is supported and it only needs one information, your machine ID.
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Time to tell Apple where they can stick Yosemite?-and it's where the sun don't shine.
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It's the same installer for everyone. App Store first checks if your mac is supported, then gives you access to the download. The installer will also check if your mac is supported and it only needs one information, your machine ID.
None of those links worked for me... Like I said, Finder slowness on Mavericks and Yosemite has nothing to do with beach balling or other external sources, it's about the responsiveness... For example, when copying a huge file or folder of say, 1GB. On Snow Leopard, once drag and drop, it takes less than a second for the Copy progress bar to appear. But on Mav/Yos, it takes several seconds...
The easiest (though pointless) example to reproduce:
On Finder, hold down Cmd while repeatedly hit N as fast as you can for about 20 times or more. Do this on Snow Leopard, then on Mav and Yose, see what happens...
On SL, all Finder windows appear instantaneous as you hit Cmd+N... no delay.
On Mav/Yose, all Finder windows appear albeit in a very slow and laggy fashion, that by the time you stop hitting Cmd+N after 20 times or more, new Finder windows kept appearing because it has not reach (or rather cannot keep up) the number of times you hit Cmd+N...
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All linked topics are still present; I'll happily discuss Finder, but not in a 'where people can stick it' topic; prefer to discuss in a topic with 'Finder' in the subject line.
All linked topics are still present; I'll happily discuss Finder, but not in a 'where people can stick it' topic; prefer to discuss in a topic with 'Finder' in the subject line.
I'm sorry, my bad... I meant none of those solutions from those links worked for me...
Yosemite has totally and completely destroyed my MacBook Pro, my gf has had to lend me her iMac comp(she stayed away from Yosemite) from 2010 because no matter what I do my computer is incapable of performing.
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NOTHING WORKS like it did before this horrid update.
What the f*%# happened Apple.
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NOTHING WORKS like it did before this horrid update.
What the f*%# happened Apple.
Important to focus on the fact that Apple choose and install the processors/components etc and obsessively regulate which apps we can use (in a somewhat Big Brother draconian way - they have their reasons - largely functionality and commercial corporate greed these days.)
….. and experience tells us these components/apps have worked fast and well with previous OS (hence the reason they have become so popular and the devices so popular)
…… so if we install as instructed and we almost all do - then a lot of these problems are clearly down to the inflexibility of Yosemite to work efficiently within the diverse Apple device range.
….. so clearly this is probably 95% down to a series of software programming compatibility errors (x1000+ maybe) that is the fault of Apple (in 95% of cases) ……. and not the poor hapless user and the infamous "user error" that Apple acolytes and "yes" men that heavily surrounding 'Fortress' Apple keep using as a well worn excuse to avoid getting off their butts to fix the issues many are still having 6 months plus after launch.
…. ok, ok ….. I withdraw that last sentence …… totally out of order ….. I have total sympathy with the programmers at Apple who, to be quite frank, must be under an incredible amount of pressure (with obviously no time to read this post I hope) …..working 24/7 to resolve the issues Yosemite has presented for quite a while now - fix after fix has been rolled out at quite a rate.
….. but the question remains - what management decisions pushed this OS into the public arena prematurely ….. this is the hub of the issue ….. which has caused all these problems ….. and they say "if you pay peanuts" - well ….. looks like some executives should be taking their Porsche's back to the garage out of shame for what they are doing to the Apple brand.
Turning it's devices from the 'essential' brand for the professional to only a brand for funsters and the "pretty bauble brigade" will be the first nail in the coffin for Apple.
…… so no more 'dumbing down' Apple ….. we need things like Aperture etc etc ….. the vision should be to encompass BOTH user domains - and embrace third-party developers who can add a lot to your "game".
No secret to business men the world over ….. "if you surround yourself with 'yes men' your company will never evolve.
Well, I think that is almost game, set and match Gentlemen! - unless someone has something to add? ……
Footnote: Please keep abuse to this rather irritating last line within the forum rules!
it's like you've read nothing anyone's posted. starting a thread, then learning nothing from the responses, doesn't make any sense. EVERY version of OS X has had issues; that's what incremental updates are for. me, i'm mostly happy with yosemite, while i wait for fixes & tweaks...
Yes I understand how you could think that. I have read allot of the other posts. I am just perplexed as to why so many others have this problem. I hold Apple with very high regard considering there products etc., for me, no technical explanation can excuse such a dreadful update. It is really as simple as that. I shouldn't even have to be writing about this. They are the highest grossing co. In the world. EVERYTHING they bring to us should be completely sound.
Right. Well roll back then, use your gf's machine to download the Mavericks installer if you don't have it already.
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To avoid repetition: some of my thoughts on that subject are under Apples Software Quality Decline.
Focusing on the displeasure with Yosemite: I still reckon that Apple no longer has a single, clear, shared vision for OS X.
Complaints about Yosemite are quite different I assume that you read that post, and the linked post; what were your thoughts?
I do have something to add: get a PC if you aren't happy with Apple's Mac products.
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When Apple says their software works on 2010 hardware, it means just that. It WORKS on that hardware.
Did Apple say "Ever device capable of installing Yosemite will have the exact same performance"? No.
This is like installing Windows 7 on a system with 1GB of RAM. It WORKS, but does not work WELL.
Also, how is Yosemite forced on you? Mavericks is still supported. You do not need to upgrade to Yosemite.
Finally, for the last damn time, just DOWNGRADE. What the hell is the problem? It would be my same response to those that went from XP to Windows 7 and had massive issues. If Mavericks worked fine for you, DOWNGRADE.
Did Apple say "Ever device capable of installing Yosemite will have the exact same performance"? No.
This is like installing Windows 7 on a system with 1GB of RAM. It WORKS, but does not work WELL.
Also, how is Yosemite forced on you? Mavericks is still supported. You do not need to upgrade to Yosemite.
Finally, for the last damn time, just DOWNGRADE. What the hell is the problem? It would be my same response to those that went from XP to Windows 7 and had massive issues. If Mavericks worked fine for you, DOWNGRADE.
I see you're getting quiet passionate about this. Probably as much as I am about Apple sweeping the floor with there loyal customers in order to grow at the remarkable rate in which they have done. I can understand most people being happy with buying a new product every 2/3 years because of softaware issues etc. I have downgraded to Mavericks but I think you have missed the point on why I have written this. Anyway, no harm done. Thanks for the comments 
I see you're getting quiet passionate about this. Probably as much as I am about Apple sweeping the floor with there loyal customers in order to grow at the remarkable rate in which they have done. I can understand most people being happy with buying a new product every 2/3 years because of softaware issues etc. I have downgraded to Mavericks but I think you have missed the point on why I have written this. Anyway, no harm done. Thanks for the comments
What software issues require me to buy a new product every 2/3 years? I do not do that. I always upgrade to the latest OS because that is the kind of tech geek I am. I always want the latest stuff when I can get it and as soon as possible. I always install the latest OS right away, and I know a newer OS on older hardware means it might be a little slow. It is common sense.
Do you also blame Microsoft when you install Windows 7 on 1GB of RAM and have it be very very slow? These products work on older systems, but nowhere did it say it will work with the same performance as a 2014/2015 system.
Like I said before in a different thread, I used to get A LOT of UI lag from Mavericks with my rMBP. I get much less with Yosemite.
So please explain to me how this is Apple's fault? Name one source that claims that installing Yosemite on a 2010 machine guarantees the same performance as installing it on a 2014 system. You can't. All they did was offer the OS to those systems, and have them be supported. They did NOT say it will perform the same.
Err Cheetah, Leopard, Snow Leopard.
evidence for the numbers please? Yes there have been some problems. I've had WiFi problems myself, but they're fixed for me now.
You've obviously never run Windows.
Then don't be an early adopter. FFS if it's mission critical WAIT.
It still does, but there has been an increase in complexity. How many features that weren't in 10.7 are in 10.10? How many under the bonnet changes have their been?
Options have never been an Apple thing.
IF IT'S MISSION CRITICAL DO NOT UPGRADE IMMEDIATELY. IT'S THE FIRST RULE OF COMPUTING. WHY DO YOU THINK BUSINESSES STAYED ON WINDOWS XP FOR OVER A DECADE???
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Now are there any lessons from this.
Of course.
1. Apple mess up. Yup, it happens. There were serious issues with most versions of OS X upon release, and many took until the 10.X.4 release to be as stable as they should be. That includes that version that everyone holds up to be the best, Snow Leopard. People have short memories, but Snow Leopard caused loss of data.
2. If your system is mission critical, don't upgrade, unless you can use a different drive and parallel run for a bit.
3. People will ignore the 2 above points and upgrade anyway. Then whine excessively.
That is a relative term. If I improve visuals on a video game, the same video card will need to work harder. The GRAPHICS are improved, but the performance suffered.
You can have a major improvement to security, but the convenience and performance will suffer as a result.
Yosemite had a major change in visuals. The GPU probably needs to work harder than before especially with the transparency.
Guess what? The same thing happened with Windows 7. There were a few computers that I had to work on that could NOT use Windows Aero because it was too much for the GPU to handle.
Also, improvements does not mean better performance. Windows XP is still faster with some things, but Windows 7, 8, 10 are still MASSIVE improvements.
OP I feel for you. Seem like youʻve had a lot of issues with OSX. At the same time there are way too many generalizations in your post/rant. Look on the bright side Windows 10 comes out soon! loll. Good luck!
Indeed - but there's this thing called "optimization". If your improvements are only there to look cool and tax your GPU even on the most recent machines, that's sloppy work.
While I do agree with the advice that if your computer is essential to your life, &/or business (as mine is), then by all means, WAIT to upgrade. I'm still on Snow Leopard, which has worked quite well (except for Safari), while some of the updates, both in OS & certain programs, could hardly be called "improvements", I'm about ready to move to Yosemite, but will wait until at least 10.10.3 is out, and the coast seems clear.
I also agree with the OP about Apple's software too often released without adequate testing, and sometimes being a step backwards in functionality (autofill being one of worst, as it requires extra steps, like a piece of Windows software). Also, the onboard "Help" menus, which used to be of real assistance, have become nearly useless & more & more incomplete.
Finally, he's also right about Apple's deception & denial when it comes to admitting they've screwed up. A while back, I did update to something, but found it immediately messed with a few things, and was obviously a major bug. I called Apple, spoke to a higher-level tech person, was told yes, they were well aware of the issue, and was working on a fix ASAP. Well, three weeks later, no update, no fix, so I called again, and again spoke to a higher-level person. Well, like something out of the Twilight Zone, he denied there was any issue at all, acted like he had no idea what I was talking about, and the entire matter simply didn't exist! Yeah, right.....
I also agree with the OP about Apple's software too often released without adequate testing, and sometimes being a step backwards in functionality (autofill being one of worst, as it requires extra steps, like a piece of Windows software). Also, the onboard "Help" menus, which used to be of real assistance, have become nearly useless & more & more incomplete.
Finally, he's also right about Apple's deception & denial when it comes to admitting they've screwed up. A while back, I did update to something, but found it immediately messed with a few things, and was obviously a major bug. I called Apple, spoke to a higher-level tech person, was told yes, they were well aware of the issue, and was working on a fix ASAP. Well, three weeks later, no update, no fix, so I called again, and again spoke to a higher-level person. Well, like something out of the Twilight Zone, he denied there was any issue at all, acted like he had no idea what I was talking about, and the entire matter simply didn't exist! Yeah, right.....
It doesn't matter if you spend 10 years of just optimization. If one OS requires more GPU work than the other, the same GPU will have to work harder. That is just how it is. Optimization does not come into play here.
Are you suggesting that 4K video games can get 500 frame per second just by optimizing?
More features, improvements to security and visuals, more stuff running in the background = performance decrease. That is just how it works. Even if they spend 10 years optimizing Yosemite, it will still require more performance than a previous OS.
Oh I know, but like I said, when the drop in performance/speed is noticeable even on the most recent Macs (the ones Yosemite has been apparently "optimized" for), I think there's room for improvement. The GPU work in Yosemite is for cosmetic decorations (transparency, blur...) and does nothing really useful, it even makes text harder to read at times.
"Its just physics"
That is why you can turn transparency off.
If all software waited until it was perfect in all regards, inc performance, very little software would ever be released.