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Two months to deliver a computer? Clowns
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Is it not relevant to this thread that other vendors have short shipping times for systems using the same components?
And we don't need "HP Rumours" - we get regular roadmaps.
I get my daily dose of schadenfreude from http://www.nomblog.com/ - things are not playing out according to the National Organization for Marriage's gameplan.
That's too rich for my blood. Whilst I appreciate a little bit of misery, that site just leaves me wanting to claw my eyeballs out. Insanity.
Actually, Intel might be the bottleneck. If you plug in the exact part number of the chips that Apple's using into someplace like NewEgg, they often list a longish delivery, or at least they did a few weeks ago when I was still obsessed about Mac Pro delivery dates.
The problem probably is a combination of some manufacturing hiccups in a new facility that just become operational and not enough capacity for the initial demand.
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How many of those 24 core systems is HP shipping every day?
How many 12-core new Mini Pros are Apple shipping every day?
Your question is pointless without the answer to my question.
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I can get "next week" delivery for HP and Dell systems that use the same processors and memory as the new Mini Pro. 4-core, 6-core, 8/10/12 core.
Any "supply chain" issues with the E5-2600v2 and 1866 memory are not affecting other deliveries, which would point to an Apple problem.
Apple used to have a guy who was great at handling the supply chain. I wonder where he is now....
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I know. But why let Apple play bookkeeping games and let them tell success stories of sold MacPro's when they deliver 3 month later?
They will made a big statement of how successful the MacPro started, not admitting that deliveries ramp up real slow.
I'm no dummy. I know I pay when it ships, but this is about perception and the fact that Apple gets away with it.
If I order something somewhere which has not the prestige and price point of a MacPro, I would certainly cancel any order that can only be fulfilled three month later.
Think about it.
Troll alert.
The op has no interest in nMP other than starting flame war threads.
I have no interest in Dyson vacuum cleaners so I am off to one of their forums to start being critical about anything I can think off.
In fact I may call in on the HP forums on the way and congratulate them on the short term availability of their PCs and commiserate with them that it is probably because few people are buying them.
Each to their own. If someone wants to buy a nMP that is their choice. I see no logic in someone who has no intention of buying one complaining about delivery times - unless they have very little to do in their lives.
I am new to these forums and the apparent amount of troll posters who appear to freely get away with it is disappointing and damaging my view of these forums.
The op has no interest in nMP other than starting flame war threads.
I have no interest in Dyson vacuum cleaners so I am off to one of their forums to start being critical about anything I can think off.
In fact I may call in on the HP forums on the way and congratulate them on the short term availability of their PCs and commiserate with them that it is probably because few people are buying them.
Each to their own. If someone wants to buy a nMP that is their choice. I see no logic in someone who has no intention of buying one complaining about delivery times - unless they have very little to do in their lives.
I am new to these forums and the apparent amount of troll posters who appear to freely get away with it is disappointing and damaging my view of these forums.
Actually rules of accounting will not allow you to count sales until fulfilled. Sure like any company, you can use the amount ordered in your marketing (i.e. in the first week alone we had X amount of orders/sales), but from a strictly bookkeeping (which is what you stated) stand point they can not. Until your order has been fulfilled, they can not count it as a sale.
Actually he has a point, Apple do seem to struggle with their ability to deliver or maybe it's a deliberate thing to make them seem 'cool'. Some other manufacturers do seem better at fulfilling orders, and what you think of their products is irrelevant. Dell T7610 - 3 days; HP Z820 next day. This is one area where Apple need to up their game.
Apple make sit tough for "pros." They are secretive with their plans, and then they often have trouble shipping. Very hard to plan around them sometimes.
The oMP was terribly outdated by the end. They went for "shock and awe" in the release, even using a moderately bad word to show how fierce they were, and then shipping fell off immediately.
Realistically, we're talking summer of 2014 for an Ivy Bridge MacPro with any sort of customization. When does Haswell launch? Yeah.
Users have roadmaps and budgets and tax considerations too.
I grabbed a nMP 6c on a whim because one was available locally (Microcenter). I probably would rather have a D700 with a 512GB SSD, but beggars can't be choosers.
"Can't ship my ass" works here too...
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I would think Apple gets priority over single CPU sales at NewEgg.
My bet is that this case, which is very nice, is a PITA to manufacture. Then add in ~3 years of pent up demand. I know I was on the sidelines for a few years, riding herd on my MBP and some homebuilt PCs.
Also, every component is custom, the video cards, the SSD connector, etc.
It's a nice, but fussily built computer.
The oMP was terribly outdated by the end. They went for "shock and awe" in the release, even using a moderately bad word to show how fierce they were, and then shipping fell off immediately.
Realistically, we're talking summer of 2014 for an Ivy Bridge MacPro with any sort of customization. When does Haswell launch? Yeah.
Users have roadmaps and budgets and tax considerations too.
I grabbed a nMP 6c on a whim because one was available locally (Microcenter). I probably would rather have a D700 with a 512GB SSD, but beggars can't be choosers.
"Can't ship my ass" works here too...
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I would think Apple gets priority over single CPU sales at NewEgg.
My bet is that this case, which is very nice, is a PITA to manufacture. Then add in ~3 years of pent up demand. I know I was on the sidelines for a few years, riding herd on my MBP and some homebuilt PCs.
Also, every component is custom, the video cards, the SSD connector, etc.
It's a nice, but fussily built computer.
Yeah, he already made it clear in some other posts that he doesn't like the nMP, so I don't know why he need to create a thread about it.
Think about what? Apple doesn't release sales figures by model - and regardless of how successful the nMP is, it's just a blip on Apple's desktop sales, which are in turn a blip on Apple's computer sales, which in turn are a blip on Apple's overall sales.
It's like McDonald's going into a shareholders' meeting and talking non-stop about Filet-o-fish sales.
Thing is that many you've mistakenly labelled trolls are Mac Pro users, still are and that's why they 'get away with it'. I'm a fan of the nMP despite it being totally unsuitable for my requirements. Anyone who is cheesed off having to wait so long for for their order has a right to discuss it on this thread like this, regardless whether they are getting a nMP or not.
It's fairly obvious that the longer waiting time is down to demand exceeding Apple's estimates of how many they would have to make and it will probably take two, possibly 3 quarters to ramp production up high enough to satisfy demand with a much shorter lead time. Then there's also having the flexibility to cut production efficiently when demand starts to drop off and they aren't left with a warehouse full of them without homes. One thing that I am sure of is that Apple will not want to go down the overproduction path full stop with their top end products.
I am not the only one who thinks the op is a troll. You only have to look at one of his other recent threads to question his motives and agenda.
I have an nMP on order and I am tired of the wait too. There have been numerous other Mac users who have complained on here about the wait too and I would agree. But I still think the op is a troll.
I am off to the Ferrari forums now. I intend to complain about their waiting times even though I have no intention of ordering one. Inline with the op's other thread, I will also complain about the start button being on the wrong side of the steering wheel - again when I have no intention of ordering one.
I don't believe I am mistaken that there are trolls on here who are getting away with it.
Just done a search of the OP's posts and it looks very much like a 1,1 owner who has ordered a nMP.
I would like to complain to Apple why they can't give me one for free
Not sure he was ordering a nMP when he started this thread:- https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1706903/
I would like to complain to Apple why they can't give me one for free
I wish you luck
Top specification of course.
Not sure he was ordering a nMP when he started this thread:- https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1706903/
I wish you luck
I only took a quick glance - but being a cheesegrater owner with a possibility of ordering a can means he can whinge about waiting for one all he likes in my book. If I was desperate for one I would possibly have a moan but I'm not. Trolls I would define as posters who have never owned one and I'm sure there have been a few on here over the past few months winding the tower owners up, usually with new accounts lol.
Wouldn't want the 12 core if Apple were generous - 8 core d700 will be more than enough for a small, quiet fast kitchen computer while my cheesegrater does all the donkey work in the office!
I do not know where you got the number 26. Did some group of orders placed in the first few hours averaged 26 days to ship? Even if so, that number is currently irrelevant as production and shipping windows moved quickly into the future.
Here is some rough data describing what we know about the process.
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Order Ship Duration Prod Sell
Dec 19 Jan 31 13-43 days 44 7 hours
Dec 19 Feb 31 43-71 days 28 32 days
Jan 20 Mar 31 39-70 days 31 21 days
Feb 11 Apr 30 48-78 days 30.. 6+
. (Prod and Sell incomplete for this row.)Order is the date on which a system was ordered.
Ship is the last day of the month in which shipment was promised.
Duration is the range days which meet the promised ship month.
Prod is the number of future production days which could ship as promised.
Sell is the time it too to sell all systems in that production window.
As far as I can tell, Apple has done well at meeting their promised ship dates. I have seen no evidence that Apple is missing many ship targets. I do see customers who were quoted a February shipment who are still waiting for shipment. It is possible for a system sold later on December 19th to still ship as promised with a 10.24 week wait between order time and ship time. Early buyers still awaiting shipping cross the 60 day wait time later today.
The data show that Apple sold all its pre-existing finished inventory plus another 43 days of future production (remainder of Dec and all of Jan) in the first few hours.They subsequently sold 28 days of production in 32 days, and 31 days of production in 21 days.
Some might conclude that in Late Jan-early Feb that sales increased or production slowed, but that conjecture is poorly grounded. The only solid data we have are shipment month promises for online customer orders. We do not know if the rate of productions is increasing or decreasing. We also have no data on channel fill to third party vendors or larger shipments to larger corporate buyers like SW development houses, etc. Though it is a wild guess, I suspect that this change in the data might reflect a boost in channel fill to support the rollout of in-store sales sometime in April.
That said, it is frustrating to wait so long. But people who are currently anxious, and complain about the situation (here or to Apple) are likely doing little more than make themselves feel better by venting. So far, Apple seems to be on track to meeting it promises. All we know for sure is that they are selling systems faster than they can be built.