I waited months for both a Powerbook G4 and a 2008 Mac Pro. Both are Jobs era machines, and one of which is even an earlier Mac Pro.
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I waited months for both a Powerbook G4 and a 2008 Mac Pro. Both are Jobs era machines, and one of which is even an earlier Mac Pro.
In USA - yes. In other countries - not always.
In Russia they've charged my card the moment I've pressed "confirm order" button. For the full amount. And if I will cancel the order now, it will cost me around $500, as it was charged in roubles, not dollars. Rather tempted to press the button, nevermind the loss, just as a friendly(ish) middle finger at Apple.
Jobs or no Jobs, this is a cluster**** of epic proportions, gentlemen.
P.S. Everything that Apple Russia is capable of is endlessly saying "sorry, this is a new product, so ****** you" on the phone.
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Hallelujah, Preparing for Shipment - Status!
I was billed late last night, and had to call the CC'd company to allow it. But it went quick, told CC company it was fine, charge went through in minutes and within 3 hrs my order status updated.
Will be 10 wks wait! for a 6c/12/1TB/D700 to Canada if it doesn't show up till Mar 14 (worse case estimate).. but I am hoping it arrives sooner with the expedited air shipping.
I was billed late last night, and had to call the CC'd company to allow it. But it went quick, told CC company it was fine, charge went through in minutes and within 3 hrs my order status updated.
Will be 10 wks wait! for a 6c/12/1TB/D700 to Canada if it doesn't show up till Mar 14 (worse case estimate).. but I am hoping it arrives sooner with the expedited air shipping.
The Mac Pro doesn't move Apple's overall numbers at all. Apple TV is a bigger impact and a more compelling example to trumpet about because none of the other PC mfg have any kind of traction at all. So Apple is a competitive, somewhat unique mover.
Besides it is still muddled whether this is "don't building anything with latest CPU+GPU for 1-2 years" demand or real substantive demand with long term potential. Technically there is growth here because Apple shrank Mac Pro sales significantly smaller ( e.g., stopped selling in EU markets for almost a whole year). Pragmatically
In short, it is only a "good news Mac Pro isn't dead" story. It is not a "Apple is defying legacy PC market trends" story. [ The better Q4 '12 - Q4 '13 Mac unit numbers is largely don't have a FUBAR on iMacs production story. It isn't particularly a strong one once put into context. ]
Because that is actually going to drive growth in the stock price and fund continued dividend payments .... which is primarily what the stockholders are interested in.
The Mac Pro is probably making less money that the $100B in cash Apple has parked around the world is.
They debuted the machine in June. They gave themselves plenty of lead time to get numbers ready for shipping.
They had six months to get the production issues sorted and any quirks worked out.
For orders to be taking more than 3 weeks from the initial launch date was a joke, to have them being moved further back is unprofessional on Apples part.
I find it staggering that I got my 08 within 8 days of launch.
Are Apple seriously going backwards?
They had six months to get the production issues sorted and any quirks worked out.
For orders to be taking more than 3 weeks from the initial launch date was a joke, to have them being moved further back is unprofessional on Apples part.
I find it staggering that I got my 08 within 8 days of launch.
Are Apple seriously going backwards?
They announced the machine in June, like they announced the original iPhone in January. The machine debuted in December.
They announced in June but Intel had already announced that Thuderbolt 2 was not ready ahead of late 2013.
[ from a story on June 9 http://www.anandtech.com/show/7049/intel-thunderbolt-2-everything-you-need-to-know .... just a couple days before Apple's dog and pony show ]
Intel's plan for more than a year was to ramp TB v2 in 2014, not 2013. They pulled it bit a bit, but once the Mac Pro was coupled to that, large scale production couldn't start until very late 2013.
E5 v2 supply availability was too much better than TB v2's through most of Q3-Q4.
The announcement in June was far more so for folks to buy the old model if they are deeply attached to "box with slots" design. There was enough even with extended purchase order submission constraints to get orders in.
The announcement were of a system where the parts weren't even available yet.
There are no indications that the shortage is not simply demand exceeding the designed capacity for the factory. If Apple contracts for a 5-7K/month factory then when 14K folks show up on in first week it is going to take time to "dig" out of that hole (even if started production a month ahead of time). Even longer if another 8K show up in the next 4 weeks after that.
Over the course of the likely 10-15 month lifetime of this specific Mac Pro that is likely closer to the correct move because the wave after the initial bubble probably isn't going to be that high. If Apple goes on to sell over 85K Mac Pros this year than yes this was a blunder. If it comes out to around 72K then it was right on target.
The other fundamental problem is how do you build thousands of CTO machines months before people order them. Ouija boards and gypsy fortune tellers ???? With an substantially mature product with an well established ordering record they could take a very educated guess. For a relatively brand new product, it is basically a crap shoot.
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The excuses you come up for a multi billion dollar company with a supply chain guru for a CEO are quite entertaining at times.
A supply chain guru is someone who doesn't LOOSE any money on producing goods for the company. Any idiot can order up too many of something .... just ask Blackberry who had to flush $1B of phones in 2013.
It isn't an excuse.. That is how lean production works.
Neither does billion dollars make a company or guru clairvoyant. The excuses here are that the billion should; it does not.
Should Apple have done a regional rollout?? ... IMHO probably yes. But that is a "rob Peter to pay Paul" solution. The number of folks left without machines just after launch would still be relatively high. It is only a matter of better expectation setting.
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It made it's public debut in June. Or were they operating a magical resolutionary unicorn in that demonstration.
Like I said Apple had plenty of lead time. If TB2 was only going to be ready in December, then Apple screwed up. They should not have promises they could not keep.
Only Apple could get away with such a **** poor delivery of a Pro System. Can just imagine how Apple would react to Sun/IBM giving them a release date for latest servers then them showing up 4 months later.
A billion dollar company typically has more assets to put into forecasting and market research. A billion dollar company also typically gets to a be a billion dollar company by managing expectations along with forecasting. This is all very basic marketing. It's a total 5h!7 Show...No other explanation.
I'll even do a bit of roleplaying!
Hur dur....we haven't even sold any of these here Mac Pros in Europe in a while..Hur dur. Probably a few people waiting over there for the refresh..derp...derp derp....People been asking for a New Mac Pro all over the internets....derp...muh computer factory is gonna have to make a lot....mehbe we should uh...LOOK OUT HERE COMES GOOGLE...AAAAH LETS GO MAKE A WATCH AND TOYSSSSSSSZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
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Does not take a genius or clairvoyant to realise that a product that was last updated in 2010..... Might be in demand.
What you thought that this might be the first product that Apple fans would not flock to and they would sit un shipped in warehouses.
Joke is , I can pick a base model up from no apple retail now. Going through apple it's April shipping.
Sorry mate, you are just being an apologist .
It's not worth arguing about. Most here haven't a clue how supply chains work or how to run a successful business. Most just want to complain that they have to wait. Fact is, you are more than right and many know it even I'd they don't want to admit it.
The original post made me think of the Star Wars quote from ObiWan..."Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?" That includes me. 
To add insult to injury, now I got my shipping demoted from Overnight to Standard. Now I'm looking at my order changed from 5-7 day shipment change to two weeks. DAMN YOU APPLE!
I did. The rep told me that if they expedite my shipping, it'll take my order out of the line and postpone my shipment by 2-3 days. I explained for clarification of this, but the rep was unable to explain to me why this would happen if they already expedited my delivery method once before.
SO mad. Let me know what you find.
Yes, the parts required don't exist because another huge multi billion dollar company is still building them. What an "excuse".
I'd email Tim Cook to ask why he hasn't shipped a Haswell Mac Pro yet, but I'm sure he'd just be full of excuses too. C'mon Tim! You're a supply chain guy!
That's the company's problem, not ours. As paying consumers we were given expectations. We have every right to be pissed. Apple doesn't even come close to making good on their promises. An extra half month is not a negligible amount of time, not in the businesses that require the computing power that Mac Pro delivers.
I'm not so sure I'd order the damn thing if the estimate was "MAYBE SOMETIME IN MARCH". Rectal clowns.
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iMac doesn't have the power. PC may have the power but doesn't have the OS. We're doomed to wait.
What it boils down to is that a loaded iMac is still $3,100 with tax (gov price, i7/16G/3TB-Fusion/780M) vs the nMP for $4,000 (gov price 4C/D300/32/512).
A PC that I would be happy with would be about $2700. Along with a CC sub for life.
Grrr......
LOL. You act as if the two companies never communicate with one another. The cognitive dissonance is strong it this one. Apple has made a couple hundred promises it can't keep. Now you see shipment dates slipping, or in some cases not even updating and showing the prior month as still being the shipping window. Sure, blame Intel for forcing Apple's release date. That makes sense.
Wish that'd cut it for me.
To run the Adobe suite, some gaming, and dealing with a lot of photos, it would suffice. Not the best option, but it's not that much cheaper either, and has it's own issues.
My wife was shocked that I was pricing PC parts over the weekend..