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MacDawg

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But don't you have to pick up the phone and aim it at your face to unlock it, then after that you swipe up to unlock to the home screen ?

Let's say the phone is laying flat on your desk, a little away from you. How do you unlock it that way on the X with the phone at arm's reach away ? Which is a very common way my brother uses his iPhone 7 with Touch with no problem.

I pick up my phone and swipe up in one action
If I am going to look at something on my phone, it has already recognized me anyway
I never kept my iPhone 7 Plus at arms length, flat on a table and unlocked it with Touch ID and tried to look at anything without actually "looking" at the phone
The distance and angle wouldn't allow me to gain anything from that kind of interaction

For me, it is a non-issue, but other users experiences may be different
 

The Game 161

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The iPhone X does seem like a great smartphone, no question. But iOS to me is the deal breaker. I couldn't buy because of that.

Now if it was running the latest stock Android 8.1 I'd be all over it.
This is the beauty of choice. I like android but I just couldn't use it as my daily driver over IOS. Amazing phones but the OS is a big thing for me.
 
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Tig Bitties

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This is the beauty of choice. I like android but I just couldn't use it as my daily driver over IOS. Amazing phones but the OS is a big thing for me.

Totally agree. To me a modern useful and easy to use OS like stock Android, is FOR ME the best, and I just can't get comfortable with the dated iOS and locked down Apple walled garden.

But hey "Different strokes, for different folks"
 

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What are you guys thoughts on this video. Please no bashing. Let's keep this civilized.

He said the same about the Note8. Basically his problem is the pricing, and he makes valid points. The Note8 and iPhone X are not $500 worth better than e.g. a OnePlus 5 and 5T.

But for those of us who buy them we see the value over the other phone's for ourselves, I believe.




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Typically of this forum I see the iFans are already defending their precious claiming he is an Android guy and all that garbage.


The guy gave a similar statement regarding the Note8. Get over yourselves.

He feels these $1000 phones are not worth so much more than their counterparts, it's that simple!
 

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The iPhone X does seem like a great smartphone, no question. But iOS to me is the deal breaker. I couldn't buy because of that.

Now if it was running the latest stock Android 8.1 I'd be all over it.
You and I are flip sides of a coin. I look at the Galaxy 8 and the Note 8 and think, “Those look like great phones.” But I could never bring myself to get one because of Android. :)
 
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My view on YouTubers is that they do offer value because they are entertaining and they offer different point of view because not all YouTubers are alike- some prefer iOS and some prefer Android. I don't like to just discredit their value just because the opinion does not match your own.
Love the way you put that. I dislike when people discredit someone just because they don't share the same opinion.
He said the same about the Note8. Basically his problem is the pricing, and he makes valid points. The Note8 and iPhone X are not $500 worth better than e.g. a OnePlus 5 and 5T.

But for those of us who buy them we see the value over the other phone's for ourselves, I believe.




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Typically of this forum I see the iFans are already defending their precious claiming he is an Android guy and all that garbage.


The guy gave a similar statement regarding the Note8. Get over yourselves.

He feels these $1000 phones are not worth so much more than their counterparts, it's that simple!
DING DING DING! You sir, understand it. He uses many flagship phones as his personal, in many of his reviews of anything outside of phone reviews. I seen him with an iphone in PLENTY of his videos. He is not as biased as many in here claim. He just cant justify the high pricing on some of these phones, regardless if they are Apple or Android.
 

Tig Bitties

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I think it boils down to what your used too. If like me you started with a Nexus-One I got used to and comfortable with Android. Out of the 24 smartphones I've owned, 3 were iPhone's and rest were Android. I just can't get used to iOS without being super frustrated.

And the flip side, if you've owned mainly iPhone's then Android will feel alien to you. I do think the iPhone X is a great smartphone, but I just can't get comfortable with iOS.
 
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DiamonDecoden

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You and I are flip sides of a coin. I look at the Galaxy 8 and the Note 8 and think, “Those look like great phones.” But I could never bring myself to get one because of Android. :)

I think I agree with this sentiment more but I need to learn more about Android make sure I know how to get what I need done there before switch. I think Note 8 is great and I wish it also ran iOS because there are certain feature of iOS that are hard to let go off like the whole iOS ecosystem...
 

Puddled

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not sure what flaws it really has.

Well, it has lots or none depending on what side of the fence you are on.

I think it is a beta product as much as the pixels
 

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Love the way you put that. I dislike when people discredit someone just because they don't share the same opinion.

DING DING DING! You sir, understand it. He uses many flagship phones as his personal, in many of his reviews of anything outside of phone reviews. I seen him with an iphone in PLENTY of his videos. He is not as biased as many in here claim. He just cant justify the high pricing on some of these phones, regardless if they are Apple or Android.
Exactly!

I don't understand why a whole Android vs. iPhone thing started here.

The guy is literally challenging these Phone Manufacturers and making consumers aware that they do not have to pay $1000 for a good phone.

We need more reviewers like him, he is one of the most neutral and straightforward reviewers I have ever come across. Many times I have disagreed with his points but I thoroughly enjoy his stuff as I know he is honest and will call things out the way he sees them.

We must also keep in mind he isn't talking to us enthusiasts with these videos, he is talking to people who are just looking for tech advice. He knows that us enthusiasts have made our minds up the day the damn thing is announced.
 

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Well, it has lots or none depending on what side of the fence you are on.

I think it is a beta product as much as the pixels
What makes them a beta product? the x runs as well as any device on the market. Face ID is as perfect as you can get for replacing touch ID. I really do fail to see the issues with the device. There is always room for improvement for every new flagship but it runs as well as any previous iphone
 

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He mentioned he doesn’t enjoy the FaceID experience. Does anyone use TouchID and say “gee! I enjoyed that!”?

I did - 4 years ago.
In recent years I've been really disappointed with TouchID.
Android manufacturers not only caught up but surpassed Apple by far in terms of reliability.
If my finger is even the smallest bit of wet TouchID won't unlock - other devices do.

All in all I'm so much more happy with FaceID. Only this stupid swipe up gesture annoys the crap out of me, but I'm fairly confident an option to disable it will arrive soon.
 
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I did - 4 years ago.
In recent years I've been really disappointed with TouchID.
Android manufacturers not only caught up but surpassed Apple by far in terms of reliability.
If my finger is even the smallest bit of wet TouchID won't unlock - other devices do.
I always see the phrase "wet fingers don't go well with touchID" But I never understood why? I get out of the shower and my Pixel unlocks instantly even with water drops still on my finger.
 

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If my finger is even the smallest bit of wet TouchID won't unlock - other devices do.
...

Even just slightly damp will cause it not to work for me, or a bit wrinkly from washing dishes, swimming, etc.

I've always wanted the ability to temporarily disable TouchID requirement to log in for a preset duration while your headphones are connected so you could unlock easily at the gym and while being active.
 

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Honestly, who cares what every body thinks about what somebody specifically says about buying the iPhone X. The consumer should buy what they want with their money, not based on somebody else's "Don't Buy it" video. All that matters is the users opinion.
Absolutely, I have no intention of buying one, but if others want to that’s their business not mine or anybody else’s.
 
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I think it is a beta product as much as the pixels

Allow me to pre-face by saying I'm not defending the iPhone X in general, but more or less responding to your statement. The iPhone X is not a 'beta' or Prototype device. When I read statements like these, you are severely undermining the product because it doesn't meet your own standards of what you're looking for in a device. You Don't have to like or approve of the iPhone X, but please don't label something by a word that is Mis-used to portray the iPhone X, when that's not even what beta means.
 

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Allow me to pre-face by saying I'm not defending the iPhone X in general, but more or less responding to your statement. The iPhone X is not a 'beta' or Prototype device. When I read statements like these, you are severely undermining the product because it doesn't meet your own standards of what you're looking for in a device. You Don't have to like or approve of the iPhone X, but please don't label something by a word that is Mis-used to portray the iPhone X, when that's not even what beta means.
I see what you're saying but have to disagree..... I think the iPhone X is a lot like when Samsung made the first big change with the S6 and s6 edge and curved displays. Looking back and how the curved displays have evolved to today's versions. It reminds me of bad the first ones were.
I think we will do the same thing with the iPhone X next year and the year afterwards.
I think Apple will tweak and perfect the current design going forward with hardware and software tweaks.
 
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In case you didn’t know, there are lots of desperate angry kids on YouTube trying to justify their inability to buy the iPhone X by finding ways and angles to say it isn’t good. When really, they just can’t afford it. Making such videos is just ridiculously lucrative.

I don’t even think he believes what he says, it’s an act he puts on for the channel to make big money. He is so rich himself he doesn’t give a **** about “value”.

Needless to say, you should all block such soulless channels.
 

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I see what you're saying but have to disagree..... I think the iPhone X is a lot like when Samsung made the first big change with the S6 and s6 edge and curved displays. Looking back and how the curved displays have evolved to today's versions. It reminds me of bad the first ones were.
I think we will do the same thing with the iPhone X next year and the year afterwards.
I think Apple will tweak and perfect the current design going forward with hardware and software tweaks.

I see your viewpoints, however you're on a entirely different tangent than I am. Too many times, I see the iPhone X stated as a Prototype/Beta device. And that's not what it even means contrary to others using it out of context, which is a device or machine that is not ready to be sold or manufactured to the masses. As I previously mentioned, I'm not being dismissive of what somebody thinks about the iPhone X or their opinions, but at least apply the terms appropriately if someone wants to apply the term to the iPhone X. It's more less the misconception of how the term is applied Inappropriately.

But more to your point, the iPhone X is definitely a starting point in the right direction for Apple, but obviously it will become more refined as the years transition with gesture controls, Face ID, the maturity of OLED, etc.
 
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Puddled

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I know what beta and prototype mean.

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And it is exactly what i think of the pixels and iphone x.
 

DiamonDecoden

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In case you didn’t know, there are lots of desperate angry kids on YouTube trying to justify their inability to buy the iPhone X by finding ways and angles to say it isn’t good. When really, they just can’t afford it. Making such videos is just ridiculously lucrative.
I don’t even think he believes what he says, it’s an act he puts on for the channel to make big money. He is so rich himself he doesn’t give a **** about “value”.
Needless to say, you should all block such soulless channels.

That is very unfortunate for those kids but I don't get how their inability to get the iPhone X have to do with his video lol.

However, I have done some YouTube videos in the past and it is not that easy being a content creator. It takes a LOT out of you and to be constantly making videos even on some of the things you like / love, it just gets tiresome in the long run like an actual job. I don't know if he believe all that he says because a lot it is opinion and a person's opinion can change easily and things on in this world changes easily esp. technology. What I can say is that whatever he is doing and getting a lot of views is working so people do find his video worth watching maybe not to some of you.

There are other YouTuber with better (subjective here) video with less following but being a popular YouTube doesn't make you necessarily bad or good. There are just a lot of envy like I wish I had a successful YouTube career too lol. I really do think they make their job seems all fun and games when there is a lot of work.
 

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In case you didn’t know, there are lots of desperate angry kids on YouTube trying to justify their inability to buy the iPhone X by finding ways and angles to say it isn’t good. When really, they just can’t afford it. Making such videos is just ridiculously lucrative.

I don’t even think he believes what he says, it’s an act he puts on for the channel to make big money. He is so rich himself he doesn’t give a **** about “value”.

Needless to say, you should all block such soulless channels.
Ouch, somebody sounds a little ticked off over someone else's opinion... Funny thing is, there are many WEALTHY people who still drive a late 90's/early 2000's model honda/toyota. Not every financially-blessed person splurges their money on the latest trends. "It's not about how much money you make, but how much money you save". Many people can afford the iPhone X, but purchased an Android instead, because of their personal choice.

You shouldn't get so angry and bent out of shape on these forums when someone doesn't agree with your opinions or choices.
 
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The Game 161

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I see your viewpoints, however you're on a entirely different tangent than I am. Too many times, I see the iPhone X stated as a Prototype/Beta device. And that's not what it even means contrary to others using it out of context, which is a device or machine that is not ready to be sold or manufactured to the masses. As I previously mentioned, I'm not being dismissive of what somebody thinks about the iPhone X or their opinions, but at least apply the terms appropriately if someone wants to apply the term to the iPhone X. It's more less the misconception of how the term is applied Inappropriately.

But more to your point, the iPhone X is definitely a starting point in the right direction for Apple, but obviously it will become more refined as the years transition with gesture controls, Face ID, the maturity of OLED, etc.
Thing is it isn't beta as it works as well as any iphone ever made and no different than any current flagship. Only issue is still plenty of apps not been updated yet but it's getting there in terms of that.

I can't see where the x is lacking that even makes it a beta product.
 
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