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RobbieTT

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southerndoc said:
New Citrix Workspace tech preview available as of 7/11:

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Citrix Workspace App for macOS - Native support for Apple Silicon - Tech Preview - Citrix

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This is the first major app that I have seen warning of their impending depreciation of Intel-based Mac support:

Note: Citrix continues to support Intel-based Macs that use the Rosetta 2 dynamic binary translator. However, Citrix will soon deprecate the Citrix Workspace app for Mac that uses Rosetta emulation. Keep a look out for an announcement about the deprecation.
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Personally I would like to see more of is apps shipping with dedicated binaries rather than 'Universal'. Having app sizes roughly double is something I could live without.

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Morac

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RobbieTT said:
Note: Citrix continues to support Intel-based Macs that use the Rosetta 2 dynamic binary translator. However, Citrix will soon deprecate the Citrix Workspace app for Mac that uses Rosetta emulation. Keep a look out for an announcement about the deprecation.
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The wording of this warning makes no sense. Rosetta 2 is used to allow Macs with Apple Silicon to run software compiled for Intel chips.

It has absolutely no impact on what Intel-based Macs can run.
 
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Morac said:
The wording of this warning makes no sense. Rosetta 2 is used to allow Macs with Apple Silicon to run software compiled for Intel chips.

It has absolutely no impact on what Intel-based Macs can run.
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I think that they mean that they will either cancel the intel version or split the universal to intel and apple silicon
 
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Btw I've got into the testflight for whatsapp, idk if testflight apps work if you're not in the beta so idk if I could share the app, might play around with that
 
RobbieTT

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Morac said:
The wording of this warning makes no sense. Rosetta 2 is used to allow Macs with Apple Silicon to run software compiled for Intel chips.

It has absolutely no impact on what Intel-based Macs can run.
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The wording is clumsy and imprecise but the company has no influence on Rosetta 2. They are, of course, at liberty to cancel (depreciate) further development & support of the Intel-only version of their app in favour of the new ASi-only version.
 
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RobbieTT said:
The wording is clumsy and imprecise but the company has no influence on Rosetta 2. They are, of course, at liberty to cancel (depreciate) further development & support of the Intel-only version of their app in favour of the new ASi-only version.
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What I rather think they mean is that they won't support running the Intel version using Rosetta on ASi after the native version comes out.
 
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Jmackley said:
Btw I've got into the testflight for whatsapp, idk if testflight apps work if you're not in the beta so idk if I could share the app, might play around with that
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Could you share the memory usage of this app? The Intel one is just crazy.

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MrGunny94 said:
Could you share the memory usage of this app? The Intel one is just crazy.

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Btw when I used the Intel one I had memory usage even higher than yours, it often went well over 1gb, apple silicon one is such an improvement (even though the app is really buggy and unfinished)
Edit: in case anyone was wondering, you can't start the new whatsapp beta if you aren't in the testflight, I tried copying the app over to a virtual machine (not in the testflight) and got this error:
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Jmackley said:
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Btw when I used the Intel one I had memory usage even higher than yours, it often went well over 1gb, apple silicon one is such an improvement (even though the app is really buggy and unfinished)
Edit: in case anyone was wondering, you can't start the new whatsapp beta if you aren't in the testflight, I tried copying the app over to a virtual machine (not in the testflight) and got this error:
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Holy crap what a difference! This is insane.

Here's mine after a couple of calls and using for 6h.

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MrGunny94 said:
Holy crap what a difference! This is insane.

Here's mine after a couple of calls and using for 6h.

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Oh wow that's mental, not as high as teams though, my whatsapp is still only at 203mb, ms teams is at about 400mb (apple silicon preview build), now that I've got whatsapp native there aren't any apps that I have constantly running that are intel (except for a few tiny processes) and it's made such a difference to my ram usage:
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I no longer have an Intel apps that run all the time on my machine. The only exception is "CarbonComponentScannerXPC" which seems to be some kind of audio driver from Apple, but no one seems to really know what it is, based on what I've read, yet it's running on everyone's machine. It doesn't do anything after it runs, but it's always there.
 
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Morac said:
I no longer have an Intel apps that run all the time on my machine. The only exception is "CarbonComponentScannerXPC" which seems to be some kind of audio driver from Apple, but no one seems to really know what it is, based on what I've read, yet it's running on everyone's machine. It doesn't do anything after it runs, but it's always there.
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What happens if you uninstall Rosseta 2?
 
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DC41 said:
Do you mind a Newbie question? What app is this a screenshot of?

Thanks!
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iStat Menus! Pretty good to get quick look into performance via the top bar!

RobbieTT said:
What happens if you uninstall Rosseta 2?
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I have tried it from my side and honestly it causes issues to install new apps which rely on Rosetta 2 for installer clients. Can't comment on that process, I also have it but didn't check if it was there after removing Rosetta 2.
 
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Morac said:
I no longer have an Intel apps that run all the time on my machine. The only exception is "CarbonComponentScannerXPC" which seems to be some kind of audio driver from Apple, but no one seems to really know what it is, based on what I've read, yet it's running on everyone's machine. It doesn't do anything after it runs, but it's always there.
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It's part of the AudioToolbox Framework for compatibility with apps that link against the macOS 10.15 or earlier SDK. It lurks about 'just in case' and will hardly use any resources. There are a fair number of Carbon compatibility bits in other Frameworks, almost all of which are now fat binaries.
 
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Jmackley said:
Oh wow that's mental, not as high as teams though, my whatsapp is still only at 203mb, ms teams is at about 400mb (apple silicon preview build), now that I've got whatsapp native there aren't any apps that I have constantly running that are intel (except for a few tiny processes) and it's made such a difference to my ram usage: View attachment 2029768
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For Teams it's more than that the typical is 1.5GB especially with calls. What's App and messenger are the only apps still running Rosetta for me..

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Here's a print screen from the latest version of Teams running on Apple Silicon Preview

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MrGunny94 said:
For Teams it's more than that the typical is 1.5GB especially with calls. What's App and messenger are the only apps still running Rosetta for me..

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Here's a print screen from the latest version of Teams running on Apple Silicon Preview

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Honestly it's worth trying to see if you can get into the whatsapp beta just for that reduced ram usage, although the app is still missing features, here's what my ram usage looks like:

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MrGunny94 said:
Crazy, mine is the MBP M1 Pro full die 16gb
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Honestly I'd say it's worth trying to get into the whatsapp beta if you can, the reduced ram usage really is worth it (and you can keep the stable app installed as well in case you need a feature that's currently missing from the beta), before native whatsapp my ram usage was often over 10gb. Native teams also helped a lot too
 
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