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Shasterball

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You will never have the same battery health as on Mac, because you cannot customise the charging behaviour. That is a fact.

It's not about a "data point", it is about there is no way to manage the battery on the iPad, like you can do on Mac.

Can you show me where in iPadOS I can change the charging, if you claim it is "emotional" and not a fact?
I feel like you are reading from a script as opposed to listening to other points of view. But, perhaps your goal is not to hear people out...
 
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Joe Dohn

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I feel like you are reading from a script as opposed to listening to other points of view. But, perhaps your goal is not to hear people out...

I honestly feel it's not just him who's reading from a script in this forum... many posts here feel like Apple ads / promotion.
 
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Joe Dohn

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Doesn't matter if your only or primary computer is an iPad or laptop. The cost is the cost and you can always buy slightly used if upgrading to new it too expensive.

If you do light tasks and / or content creation, sure. But in MY use case, with advanced Office and emulation / gaming, using an iPad as a primary device is NOT gonna happen.
 
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If you do light tasks and / or content creation, sure. But in MY use case, with advanced Office and emulation / gaming, using an iPad as a primary device is NOT gonna happen.
So you finally admit you are being subjective and opinionated, because many here are easily using their iPads for more than what "you think" they are useful for. Sorry, but your disdain for the iPad doesn't make it less useful to others, nor does it change others good experience with it.
 
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FeliApple

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We are not here discussing what device we enjoy more. We're discussing bang for the buck.
The iPad competes directly with other mobile devices. It's very costly to spend money on a desktop, a mobile system and an auxiliary tablet just for content consumption when you could do with just a device or two.

Just calculate the cost of keeping everything updated very 2-3 years. It's a rat race that we never win.
Of course, I'm not counting the cellphone here, which is a staple in some places if you do online banking.
I like the iPad for content consumption. It’s a million times better than any laptop.
 

Joe Dohn

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So you finally admit you are being subjective and opinionated, because many here are easily using their iPads for more than what "you think" they are useful for. Sorry, but your disdain for the iPad doesn't make it less useful to others, nor does it change others good experience with it.

I think we are all losing here.

Instead of conceding on the flaws of the iPad – because ALL the devices have flaws, even the ones we love a lot – you want to be right so badly for some reason that we can't seem to discuss on how the iPad could be a better device.

Because the iPad IS light. It IS powerful. And Apple knows that the iPad with a full-blown MacOS would compete directly with iMacs and Macbooks. That's not how they envisioned their money making. They would rather you would have three devices: a desktop, a laptop, and a secondary screen (iPad).

But from a user's point of view, it's just a waste to have a device that is just as powerful as a Macbook – it has the same processor, after all – but is limited to a third of the functionality.

We could be discussing on how Apple could either provide a full-blown MacOS or embracing iPadOS to provide the same functionality a Macbook does under a different OS. But it's not happening.
 

Joe Dohn

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There are already a lot of threads with that discussion out there.

Which is why I mentioned that to back up my answer. I don't think the iPad is the "worst Apple device by far", but the OP IS into something when they say the iPad has some serious drawbacks / limitations. It's not something we are making out of the blue.
 

Trixs

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I was checking the battery health of my 13" M2 MacBook Air, 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro and the M1 12.9 iPad Pro.

Both the MBA and MBP still have 100% battery health, while the battery of the M1 12.9 iPad Pro already need servicing. How awesome is that?

The difference is, with the M1 12.9 iPad Pro, you cannot change the changing behavior of the device, which you can do on Mac OS.

I guess I will pay for the battery replacement, but this is a major problem of the iPad Pro. Probably won't buy an other iPad anymore if the battery on these devices degrade so badly as you don't have the ability to customise the charging behaviour.
I haven't had an Apple device in years where the battery didn't degrade way too fast. My last 3 or 4 macbooks went down to 80% WAY before 1000 cycles. My current Macbook M1 Pro is under 80% after just 306 cycles, my previous iphone I had to replace the battery after less than 2 years. This is not an ipad problem, you just got lucky with the macbooks it seems.
 

bondr006

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I haven't had an Apple device in years where the battery didn't degrade way too fast. My last 3 or 4 macbooks went down to 80% WAY before 1000 cycles. My current Macbook M1 Pro is under 80% after just 306 cycles, my previous iphone I had to replace the battery after less than 2 years. This is not an ipad problem, you just got lucky with the macbooks it seems.
Sounds to me like bad charging habits with your devices, as in either charging to full multiple times a day or just leaving them plugged in 24/7.
 

Digitalguy

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You said well: as a SECOND screen. This means you already need a screen to begin with.
Unfortunately, there's nothing that can make the iPad work as a PRIMARY screen / in headless mode for Windows, as I mentioned.
You can absolutely use it as a primary screen in headless mode, and Luna is not even the best at that. Spacedesk and Duet Pro allow you to do just that. And with Spacedesk you don't even need Wifi, you can connect wirelessly via ethernet (which gives you a better connection). It's the closest thing to Superdisplay, which is Android only.
Not that this is something I do much, as second screen is more useful given the size, but again if your point was that a $2000 TV can be used as monitor (assuming the size makes sense), and therefore the money is justified, an iPad can do that as well, including as a primary monitor, and while the iPad maybe small for some uses, a 55" or larger TV maybe too big for a normal use too... (and the iPad can be used wirelessly with touch and pen support contrary to the TV). And in the vast majority of cases the TV will only be used for watching videos.
So again spending $1000 or even $2000 on a tablet to watch videos is perfectly legitimate, especially if that's the main or even only device you use for that as you prefer to be mobile. And an iPad can do way more things than a TV in addition to watching videos.
 
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Silly John Fatty

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It's not an emotional post. These are the facts:
- 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro = 100% battery health
- 13" M2 MacBook Air = 100% battery health
- 12.9 M1 iPad Pro = below 80% battery health

And the reason for this, is that Apple doesn't allow you to manage the charging behavior of the device, like what you can do on Mac.

The iPad Pro really sucks with the way it destroys batteries due to limitations Apple has put in place.

What do you mean with charging behaviour? I don't own any laptop so I'm not sure, but my iPhone would charge slowly at night, knowing when I wake up approximately, because apparently the slower charging is better for battery health.

Is this what you're talking about?

In this case I noticed my iPad also doesn't have that. It's running on iOS 16, I just saw there's 17 now, not sure if I want to update.

I also wanted to check its battery health, and noticed that the menu is missing. Apparently I'd have to install a 3rd party app. Or maybe someone knows where I find this info?

It's a 2018 (I think 3rd gen) iPad Pro 12,9 running on iOS 16. Never had problems so far with the battery, but it's always at home. I do use it a lot, up to 8 hours a day sometimes. But I can recharge it anytime, anywhere, so I don't even notice.
 
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bousozoku

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I couldn't imagine taking this into consideration when evaluating updates. I don't believe it to be true, for that matter, based on multiple owned iPads and innumerable updates.
I've heard since 2000 that the only good update is a clean update. I don't believe it's true, unless the installer screws up or you choose incorrect options.
 

JCCL

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This is a bold statement - not to mention stale, overused and drastically incorrect.

Perhaps you can give an inkling as to why you think this? What are your uses of phone, of iPad and traditional system which regulates your iPad to being nothing more than a phone?
I find it to be pretty much still true in 2023. iPadOS still limits the iPad. In addition to an iPad, I have a laptop, a Surface Pro 8 and an iPhone 15 Pro Max. Which device performs and allows me to do basically the same thing as the iPad Pro? Hint:It is not the Laptop or the Surface Pro 8, who are on a whole different level for productive work.

iPad Pro has awesome hardware, but Software is not up to the task. If only Apple could come up with a way to unlock full MacOS when you plug a Magic Keyboard or similar, that would be a game changer. Imagine, having a device that excels both as a tablet (with iPadOS) and a laptop (with MacOS), with hot swapping between the two and having access to the same files and media libraries. And don't think that the technology is what's preventing this from happening (after all both devices share the same CPU) but rather it is Apple's greed. Why sell you 1 device when they can sell you two?
 

JaraCz

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Glad that you point it out. My M1 iPad Pro 12.9 battery sucks as well. I have a lot of iPad and never have problems with battery, it rocks for years. But this M1 battery is empty after two days when I do not use it. Like today. I sit to iPad and battery is empty - 11%. I am charging this iPad almost daily like iPhone
 

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I never do clean updates and have yet to run into problems.
The only questionable updates I've had is where they're at the end of a processor, such as with Snow Leopard. That was good for Intel and bad for PowerPC, or when I've skipped versions, as I'm about to do with Monterey to Sonoma.
 

Wando64

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All other usages except drawing on Procreate can be better done by other devices. Otherwise, tell me of something ONLY the iPad can do well that justifies buying it (and no, signing PDFs doesn't count).

I use the iPad as a stage/live music tool/effect whereby I chain multiple synthesiser, music libraries, effects and loopers via Audiobus and controlled through Midi Guitar fed via an external audio interface. All of it could theoretically be achieved with a MacBook (I have one) but in reality the iPad does a far better job for fraction of the software price. In fact the price is by the by, as some of the music stuff available for the iPad just doesn’t exist on the Mac.
Just because you don’t know something it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
 

darngooddesign

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All other usages except drawing on Procreate can be better done by other devices. Otherwise, tell me of something ONLY the iPad can do well that justifies buying it (and no, signing PDFs doesn't count).
DJing. The iPad works well by itself while a laptop needs a hardware controller for the same level of ease. I didn't buy iPads for DJing, but I quickly transitioned to using them instead of my MacBooks because they are better and more fun to use.
 
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xantufrog

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We are not here discussing what device we enjoy more. We're discussing bang for the buck.
The iPad competes directly with other mobile devices. It's very costly to spend money on a desktop, a mobile system and an auxiliary tablet just for content consumption when you could do with just a device or two.

Just calculate the cost of keeping everything updated very 2-3 years. It's a rat race that we never win.
Of course, I'm not counting the cellphone here, which is a staple in some places if you do online banking.
I think it’s a bit weird that you keep pushing for things “only” iPad can do to justify its purchase. I can’t think of any examples of anything “only” a MacBook can do either. IMO they are overpriced, a pain in the ass to work on, and macOS is overly locked down compared to Linux, and poor at gaming compared to windows. Why would I want a MacBook? Sell me on it, only listing things only a MacBook can do and not…

I’m raising that rhetorically - I don’t actually want to argue about MacBooks with anyone. But my point is it’s not a good line of argument nor are you being as objective as you claim. All a MacBook or an iPad needs is to do enough things well enough in a particular combination for someone to want to buy them. They don’t need to go app by app and feature by feature to prove it’s a unique device on the market in X ways. I don’t think my iPad is a jack of all trades, nor is it a master of none. It does some things well enough in a combo I find useful for my daily work and leisure
 

Greenmeenie

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Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I have had the complete opposite experience with my iPad Pro. I have the 2018 11” iPad Pro, and the battery is still great. Not only that, I have since replaced all my creative work on the Macbook pro and use the iPad Pro exclusively now as my main computer.
 
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