All Devices Updated Apple Maps

[gwhizkids]

Oh yeah, three more observations:

While driving north on I-95 during heavy traffic on Friday, Apple Maps told me to get off the highway at a random exit, only to get right back onto the highway at the next traffic light. I have to assume that when I originally loaded my directions from New York, there was such heavy traffic in this area that Apple Maps decided it would somehow be faster to get off at this exit and get right back on again (something I could see Waze doing). But when I finally got up to this area, there was no traffic at all, but Apple Maps still had me perform this exiting maneuver.

Driving home on I-395 south, there was a highway closure for construction, forcing all traffic on a detour at a certain exit, and getting back onto the highway after the next traffic light. Apple Maps was aware that the highway was closed, and automatically routed me via the detour. That was a win.

Maybe I just don't take long drives all that often, but I noticed that when I'll be staying on the same highway for more than 15 miles or so, upper left of the screen will show "For 52 miles, stay on I-95", or something like that. Google Maps does that too, although I can't pin down their algorithms to make this consistently happen.

EDIT - Happy 1,000 posts, everyone.

Congrats on 1000!

AM had me doing something similar yesterday in Queens. I was taking someone to JFK and the Grand Central Parkway east was jammed, so I went west to get to the Van Wyck (sorry for the inside baseball NYC driving stuff everyone!). It had me get off the GCP at exit 68 and get right back on. I was not too pleased by that. Then it took me on the craziest route to get from the GCP to the Van Wyck, but I have to say, I think it was justified in doing this because the normal intersection is tremendously impacted by the reconstruction of the Van Wyck. I’ll give them that one!

Coming home, though, I ran into some of the traffic shenanigans that Mozman has been encountering. There was some big problem on I-95 in the Bronx but it never showed heavy traffic until too late. But it did make up for things by having me get off an exit early to get around the problem. But it did not suggest this for a loooonnggg time.

 

[dk001]

Not saying AM is perfect here or not acting weird, but I think some people may be misunderstanding how traffic re-routing works.

If it is better to stay on the highway you are on in traffic then get off to side roads, or no direct way on side roads to get there (say crossing a river etc), then it will keep you in the traffic.

While it may be human nature thinking it will be faster to get off and avoid traffice because you are moving, getting off to take side roads to get to point B on the map in 16 min is not worth getting off the highway if there is only 14 min of traffic to get to that same point B.

The maps app is going to keep you on the shortest route. It may guess right, it may guess wrong. That is a fr more complex issue if traffic takes longer than the guess.

But that also misses one AM issue: number if options.
I have found comparing AM, GM, and Waze, that AM will at times offer different routes as alternatives or flat out get them wrong. This may be as I find that for city street traffic accuracy, AM is usually a best guess and less accurate than either Waze or GM. I suspect this is an AM limitation. I usually run GM / Waze on my Razer and AM on XS Max.

The area I testing it in is SoCAl (Ventura, Oxnard, Camarillo, Santa Monica, West LA).

 

[dk001]

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One thought ...

If I was just using Apple Maps it would likely work okay for most uses.
It is when you start doing side by sides to Google Maps and Waze (likely other apps also) you start to see the areas that Apple needs to work on.

Just an additional 2.5 cents.

 

[MozMan68]

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One thought ...

If I was just using Apple Maps it would likely work okay for most uses.
It is when you start doing side by sides to Google Maps and Waze (likely other apps also) you start to see the areas that Apple needs to work on.

Just an additional 2.5 cents.

I think part of it is though..are you really sure Google Maps or Waze is actually giving a better route?

It really does take three people in three separate cars leaving at the same time and driving surly consistently to compare.

I think I’ve only read one comparison that did this.

 

[dk001]

I think part of it is though..are you really sure Google Maps or Waze is actually giving a better route?

It really does take three people in three separate cars leaving at the same time and driving surly consistently to compare.

I think I’ve only read one comparison that did this.

I haved been driving around for a week plus now running both (GM and AM) when I travel around the area. If you know LA traffic there are usually no good routes. GM (and Waze) occassionally offer routes that differ from AM and are options that AM doesn’t offer.

What I will do is pick one (if they differ) and compare the results to what the others offered. Frequently they all offer the same solution.

One item, I an finding that GM will offer less solutions if there are multiple ways from Point A to B while AM only offers more options in iOS 13 ... This looks like a design restriction in iOS as on my Razer I have a lot more options on GM. (Android 8.1)

 

[atlchamp]

So instead of reading 41 pages worth of comments, on a scale of 1 to 10 how reliable is the new Apple Maps?

thank you all for your contributions!

 

[MozMan68]

So instead of reading 41 pages worth of comments, on a scale of 1 to 10 how reliable is the new Apple Maps?

thank you all for your contributions!

Where do you live?

 

[atlchamp]

Where do you live?

Atlanta

 

[MozMan68]

Atlanta

Use it...

 

[atlchamp]

Use it...

Thanks for your help...

 

[MozMan68]

Thanks for your help...

Hah...seriously though...it should work just fine. And then let us know.

 

[dk001]

Thanks for your help...

Any feedback would be appreciated.
Depending on your location (and if you are comparing it to Google Maps), the results will vary.
Have not seen any real data on the Atlanta area yet.

 

[MozMan68]

Any feedback would be appreciated.
Depending on your location (and if you are comparing it to Google Maps), the results will vary.
Have not seen any real data on the Atlanta area yet.

Atlanta is a REAL pain when it comes to traffic and sometimes, construction...I used it there last September without issue though. Worked really well on a trip around Atlanta and then up to South Carolina.

 

[jmontana]

AM has been messing up so badly here in Rhode Island, I've had to resort to Waze as my main app. Last week, it told me to take an exit, and make a left, but that left was blocked off by construction. Another time it pulled the "you have arrived" business when we clearly had not arrived. The final straw for me was a couple of nights ago, when it threw us into a rotary (roundabout) and literally had us driving in circles. It wasn't able to tell us which exit to take. It was really bizarre. Since switching back to Waze I haven't had these problems.

This bums me out, but I figure if Waze is working for me, I'll keep on keeping on. Maybe it's a regional thing? Fingers crossed these issues get ironed out!

 

[G1Ravage]

So STILL only the beta people have the new Maps expansion for Texas, etc.?

What the hell, Apple? Why aren't you ready to roll out more states to us?

 

[MozMan68]

So STILL only the beta people have the new Maps expansion for Texas, etc.?

What the hell, Apple? Why aren't you ready to roll out more states to us?

Nope...people on iOS12 have it as well...it seems to be very limited. I'm surprised it wasn't extended to others already.

 

[Chacocliff]

I'm on the current ios 13 beta, and my iPhone has the new maps for Texas, but my iPad doesn't. It seems to be a limited roll out.

 

[G1Ravage]

Nope...people on iOS12 have it as well...it seems to be very limited. I'm surprised it wasn't extended to others already.

This is so bizarre. While all of the new map rollouts have initially hit only select people, I don't recall any of the previous rollouts to have been so limited for such a long time.

I'm salivating here. I want some northeast updates....
[doublepost=1563833424][/doublepost]iOS 12.4 has just been released this afternoon. I'm downloading it now.

 

[MozMan68]

This is so bizarre. While all of the new map rollouts have initially hit only select people, I don't recall any of the previous rollouts to have been so limited for such a long time.

I'm salivating here. I want some northeast updates....
[doublepost=1563833424][/doublepost]iOS 12.4 has just been released this afternoon. I'm downloading it now.

Updated my work phone to 12.4....still no Maps updates.

 

[G1Ravage]

Updated my work phone to 12.4....still no Maps updates.

Same here. Not seeing anything new, but I'll see how things look when I drive into work via CarPlay tonight.

If anything, hopefully the 12.4 update will lay the groundwork to allow the next Maps updates to come through.

 

[MozMan68]

Just bought a new car today (getting it Wednesday afternoon)...with CarPlay!

 

[dk001]

This is so bizarre. While all of the new map rollouts have initially hit only select people, I don't recall any of the previous rollouts to have been so limited for such a long time.

I'm salivating here. I want some northeast updates....
[doublepost=1563833424][/doublepost]iOS 12.4 has just been released this afternoon. I'm downloading it now.

IPP 11 on 12.4. Apple Maps for Austin Texas.
After the 12.4 update, the 3D in Maps is strange. The 3D effect just vanishes once you get beyond a certain point. Check the map of Austin below. Strange.

Not sure why.
Same behavior under iOS 13 PB3. (XS Max)

It’s like at a certain point, 3D just quits.

Correction: prior to the latest release this was not how Apple Maps worked.

 

[MozMan68]

IPP 11 on 12.4. Apple Maps for Austin Texas.
After the 12.4 update, the 3D in Maps is strange. The 3D effect just vanishes once you get beyond a certain point. Check the map of Austin below. Strange.
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Not sure why.
Same behavior under iOS 13 PB3. (XS Max)

It’s like at a certain point, 3D just quits.

It’s that way for all 3D cities outside of the new map area....we documented a bunch of them many pages back.

Your Texas has not been updated yet. When it does, ALL buildings in the state (for the most part) will be represented in 3D.

Just check out Chicago, Washington DC, Atlanta, etc. all have a large fairly square area or area defined by major highways (check Dallas) where Apple added 3D buildings. The new maps will add the rest while updating the existing as many of them do not truly represent building shapes and sizes as it was extrapolated from satellite data whereas the new uses that as well as the ground and air based lidar data.

 

[dk001]

It’s that way for all 3D cities outside of the new map area....we documented a bunch of them many pages back.

Your Texas has not been updated yet. When it does, ALL buildings in the state (for the most part) will be represented in 3D.

Just check out Chicago, Washington DC, Atlanta, etc. all have a large fairly square area or area defined by major highways (check Dallas) where Apple added 3D buildings. The new maps will add the rest while updating the existing as many of them do not truly represent building shapes and sizes as it was extrapolated from satellite data whereas the new uses that as well as the ground and air based lidar data.

I apparently left a line out (have fixed it).
Prior to the latest updates, this was not how Austin looked to me. It didn’t just stop until I was looking well norgh of the city. If it did, I didn’t notice it. Hence the post.

 

[MozMan68]

I cant believe you didn’t go through all 1,000+ posts and see us discussing that...

...but yeah, it really is interesting.

EDIT: Sorry...just read your correction. I couldn't say...but as far as I have seen, the 3D buildings were always like this and covered the same area for the past few years. But as I mentioned, they will change with the update as they did in San Francisco as we discussed at the very beginning of this thread.