All Devices Updated Apple Maps

[marge.margaretha]

Waze failed miserably this morning. Due to a major truck accident on the New Jersey-bound George Washington Bridge, the westbound Cross Bronx Expressway was deadlocked for hours. News radio estimated a 95-minute wait to get to the bridge from around the Bruckner Interchange.

Fortunately, I was heading in the opposite direction this morning...leaving Manhattan, and heading eastbound on the Cross Bronx Expressway. I was moving just fine, but I could see all the cars not moving on the westbound side. It was baaaaaad. A lot of the drivers were leaving their cars and walking around.

When I got to my destination, out of curiosity, I decided to open some navigation apps, and pretend I needed a route back to my office in Midtown Manhattan. Waze inexplicably sent me straight to the Cross Bronx, saying there was only a six minute delay. Google Maps and Apple Maps sent me elsewhere to avoid the Cross Bronx, while offering similar travel times overall. View attachment 850386 View attachment 850387 View attachment 850388

It seems that AM cannot be trusted just now :-(

 

[MozMan68]

It seems that AM cannot be trusted just now :-(

Just use HERE...it’ll get you there in half the time.

But seriously...looks like Apple is actually CORRECT in this case as the Cross Bronx actually re-opened as of just a little while ago.

 

[scfrazer2019]

Apple maps still not accurate until almost to destination. Tonight I was coming home from work. I set a route on BOTH apple maps and google maps, both are attached. Apple told me I would get home at 6:48PM and google said 6:44PM on the exact same route. As I drove, apple maps would change often, like 6:46, then 6:44, then 6:42, then 6:44, etc. google maps went down to 6:42 within a couple of minutes of driving and stayed there until I got home at exactly 6:42PM. Apple maps was still showing 6:44 when I was 3.5 miles from home. So to summarize, apple maps was 6 minutes longer than actually and google was only 2 minutes longer, both initially.

 

[MozMan68]

Apple maps still not accurate until almost to destination. Tonight I was coming home from work. I set a route on BOTH apple maps and google maps, both are attached. Apple told me I would get home at 6:48PM and google said 6:44PM on the exact same route. As I drove, apple maps would change often, like 6:46, then 6:44, then 6:42, then 6:44, etc. google maps went down to 6:42 within a couple of minutes of driving and stayed there until I got home at exactly 6:42PM. Apple maps was still showing 6:44 when I was 3.5 miles from home. So to summarize, apple maps was 6 minutes longer than actually and google was only 2 minutes longer, both initially.

For that short of a distance, I consider that timing within the margin of error...that's a few "missed" or "made" traffic lights. So many other factors like driving the speed limit or getting stuck behind a slow driver. It all adds up. I don't worry too much about ETA between different apps unless it gets up into the 10 minute difference range.

Folks on Reddit are claiming they are seeing the new Maps area (TX, LA, MS) since the latest beta. Still nothing for me!

 

[scfrazer2019]

For that short of a distance, I consider that timing within the margin of error...that's a few "missed" or "made" traffic lights. So many other factors like driving the speed limit or getting stuck behind a slow driver. It all adds up. I don't worry too much about ETA between different apps unless it gets up into the 10 minute difference range.

Folks on Reddit are claiming they are seeing the new Maps area (TX, LA, MS) since the latest beta. Still nothing for me!

Thx but I disagree on the distance. This was 28 miles and 36 minutes and apple maps was off by 6 minutes. That is a 20% discrepancy. They are not accurate and if you are in sales and use this to get from appt to appt, then you will have issues.

 

[MozMan68]

Thx but I disagree on the distance. This was 28 miles and 36 minutes and apple maps was off by 6 minutes. That is a 20% discrepancy. They are not accurate and if you are in sales and use this to get from appt to appt, then you will have issues.

Ummm...with Apple Maps you would be early to your appointments, right?

I have posted before and I’ll say it again, independent tests/articles out there comparing the apps have shown that Apple Maps is usually the most accurate when it comes to ETA. I have personally found this to be the case over and over again. Apple Maps and Google are typically close with Waze coming in third.

 

[Alan Gordon]

I have posted before and I’ll say it again, independent tests/articles out there comparing the apps have shown that Apple Maps is usually the most accurate when it comes to ETA. I have personally found this to be the case over and over again. Apple Maps and Google are typically close with Waze coming in third.

Like everything, I would imagine that would be highly dependent upon the area.

Folks on Reddit are claiming they are seeing the new Maps area (TX, LA, MS) since the latest beta. Still nothing for me!

I check every day, still nothing here either.

 

[scfrazer2019]

Ummm...with Apple Maps you would be early to your appointments, right?

I have posted before and I’ll say it again, independent tests/articles out there comparing the apps have shown that Apple Maps is usually the most accurate when it comes to ETA. I have personally found this to be the case over and over again. Apple Maps and Google are typically close with Waze coming in third.

But that is flawed thinking. Maybe I could have stayed at my prior appt for 5-10 minutes longer, but apple maps told me I needed more time to get to my next appt.

 

[Jarrodbcall]

I submitted my first Map correction! I am curious to see if it gets fixed or not. If it does, I will be highly motivated to submit corrections for a few other annoying route issues around town.

 

[MozMan68]

I submitted my first Map correction! I am curious to see if it gets fixed or not. If it does, I will be highly motivated to submit corrections for a few other annoying route issues around town.

What type of correction?

 

[MozMan68]

Like everything, I would imagine that would be highly dependent upon the area.

I've used all three in almost every major city in the US..and it's been a couple of years, but Europe as well for Google Maps and Apple Maps. Always defaulted to Google then simply so I could use offline maps and not get charged for data.

My only surprise over the past couple of years since using it quite a bit when I was still commuting is how Waze seems to be getting worse when I use it. I always hated the UI, but used it exclusively for the police notifications. Now I prefer to use Apple exclusively or as my main view when I'm testing all three.

I plan on hitting the road again in the Fall after iOS13 is officially released and am going to attempt a deep dive review of all three side by side if possible just for the hell of it.

 

[G1Ravage]

I'm still getting some galaxy brain reroutes in Apple Maps. Driving to work the other night, it told me to get off the Cross Bronx Expressway at Rosedale Avenue, and take local roads to the Sheridan Expressway, and get right back onto the Cross Bronx again. As far as I could tell, at the time I confirmed my routing from home, there was no traffic at all on the Cross Bronx. And there was no traffic at all while passing through. I still followed Apple Maps' suggestion.

My ETA when I left home was 9:55 PM, and I got to work at 9:49 PM (with some fancy driving).

I've been seeing further graphical and performance improvements over the past few days. Maybe some new data, too. I think I'm seeing some pedestrian and bicycle paths alongside the Hutchinson River Parkway in the Bronx. Also, moving the map around on my phone is much smoother.

Also, in the last photo below, I was exploring the Los Angeles area, and found this random neighborhood with no 3D buildings at all. Weird. I sent the photo to Apple.

 

[dk001]

I'm still getting some galaxy brain reroutes in Apple Maps. Driving to work the other night, it told me to get off the Cross Bronx Expressway at Rosedale Avenue, and take local roads to the Sheridan Expressway, and get right back onto the Cross Bronx again. As far as I could tell, at the time I confirmed my routing from home, there was no traffic at all on the Cross Bronx. And there was no traffic at all while passing through. I still followed Apple Maps' suggestion.

My ETA when I left home was 9:55 PM, and I got to work at 9:49 PM (with some fancy driving).

I've been seeing further graphical and performance improvements over the past few days. Maybe some new data, too. I think I'm seeing some pedestrian and bicycle paths alongside the Hutchinson River Parkway in the Bronx. Also, moving the map around on my phone is much smoother.

Also, in the last photo below, I was exploring the Los Angeles area, and found this random neighborhood with no 3D buildings at all. Weird. I sent the photo to Apple. View attachment 850879 View attachment 850880 View attachment 850881

Saw something like that originally for Austin Tx (no buildings, just labels) and have seen this randomly in the SoCal area over the last week. Crazy is I know some or all of the areas were originally correct.

 

[MozMan68]

Another article on new Maps.


https://www.macstories.net/stories/apple-maps-in-ios-13-sights-set-on-google/

 

[dk001]

Another article on new Maps.


https://www.macstories.net/stories/apple-maps-in-ios-13-sights-set-on-google/

Decent and ra-ra.
AM needs to add multi point routes. A > B > C > .... Putting aside the accuracy issues I am seeing, the ability to craft my routes is a big lack in AM. Also AM at times fails to offer alternative routes.

Below is a route from my house to the LAX area.
AM offers me one option.
GM offers me lots of options.
GM allso allows me to custom route along the coast.

AM is getting better. Still has a ways to go and at times shows some ??? behavior.


[doublepost=1564657269][/doublepost]Every time I come closer to liking and using AM I run into something that keeps me in the GM camp.

 

[MozMan68]

Decent and ra-ra.
AM needs to add multi point routes. A > B > C > .... Putting aside the accuracy issues I am seeing, the ability to craft my routes is a big lack in AM. Also AM at times fails to offer alternative routes.

Below is a route from my house to the LAX area.
AM offers me one option.
GM offers me lots of options.
GM allso allows me to custom route along the coast.

AM is getting better. Still has a ways to go and at times shows some ??? behavior.

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[doublepost=1564657269][/doublepost]Every time I come closer to liking and using AM I run into something that keeps me in the GM camp.

I wonder how many people choose the alternate "slower" route and for what reasons? I'm sure "not being on a highway" or "driving by a coffee shop I prefer" and stuff like that might come up, but I've never seen any data as to how often it happens.

I typically get a few routes to choose from, even on what I consider to be the short drives I normally do. I always choose the fastest.

Routing and traffic are back to being spot on for me over the past week which is great considering all of the lane closures we have around here on our major highways.

 

[dk001]

I wonder how many people choose the alternate "slower" route and for what reasons? I'm sure "not being on a highway" or "driving by a coffee shop I prefer" and stuff like that might come up, but I've never seen any data as to how often it happens.

I typically get a few routes to choose from, even on what I consider to be the short drives I normally do. I always choose the fastest.

Routing and traffic are back to being spot on for me over the past week which is great considering all of the lane closures we have around here on our major highways.

Interestingly, on the flip trip from LAX to home, the coastal route is an option. But not from home to LAX. This is true for both AM and GM.
If the freeways have heavy traffic, the coastal route can be quicker at times. At times after a rough day, the coastal route can be relaxing.

 

[MozMan68]

Interestingly, on the flip trip from LAX to home, the coastal route is an option. But not from home to LAX. This is true for both AM and GM.
If the freeways have heavy traffic, the coastal route can be quicker at times. At times after a rough day, the coastal route can be relaxing.

I have to assume that Google's traffic prediction/history model has something to do with the route options over Apple's usually more limited choices. Wondering if that will change as new maps and the new routing tech they are introducing takes effect?

Or it could be as simple as the "Green, Yellow, Red" on Google versus the "Nothing, Yellow, Red" on Apple's part...maybe Apple feels it isn't worth showing so many additional routes if they are rarely if ever taken?

EDIT: Oh...and still no additional Maps areas for me...starting to wonder if there will be a bigger release and most of us will get more than TX/LA/MS when the next update comes?

 

[dk001]

I have to assume that Google's traffic prediction/history model has something to do with the route options over Apple's usually more limited choices. Wondering if that will change as new maps and the new routing tech they are introducing takes effect?

Or it could be as simple as the "Green, Yellow, Red" on Google versus the "Nothing, Yellow, Red" on Apple's part...maybe Apple feels it isn't worth showing so many additional routes if they are rarely if ever taken?

Could be. It just is strange that west to east I don’t have the coastal route option but east to west I do. Have to play with that a bit.

Still, would really like AM to offer multi-stop routing.

 

[MozMan68]

Could be. It just is strange that west to east I don’t have the coastal route option but east to west I do.

Still, would really like AM to offer multi-stop routing.

Again, I wonder if that is also a "UI" thing for simplicity? It allows you to select an additional stop while en route. Maybe they feel that is enough for 99% of the people using Maps?

Apple tends to stay out of the weeds and focus on the masses. So, for all those complaining about Maps not having bicycle specific directions, use Google. I'm a huge bike rider, but I've never once thought of using Google Maps bicycle routing function since I don't commute on my bike. How many people do and need a map app to help them with their route? Percentage-wise, I can't imagine it is much or needs to be a high priority for the Maps team. Once they start releasing owned data for Maps in Europe, sure thing, it will be WAY more important.

It starts to remind me of the Android versus Apple debate and access to features and how they are used. People on these forums do NOT represent the majority of Apple users. We are more "power user" than average user. People are idiots...giving them less to deal with is sometimes better (and more popular).

 

[dk001]

Again, I wonder if that is also a "UI" thing for simplicity? It allows you to select an additional stop while en route. Maybe they feel that is enough for 99% of the people using Maps?

Apple tends to stay out of the weeds and focus on the masses. So, for all those complaining about Maps not having bicycle specific directions, use Google. I'm a huge bike rider, but I've never once thought of using Google Maps bicycle routing function since I don't commute on my bike. How many people do and need a map app to help them with their route? Percentage-wise, I can't imagine it is much or needs to be a high priority for the Maps team. Once they start releasing owned data for Maps in Europe, sure thing, it will be WAY more important.

It starts to remind me of the Android versus Apple debate and access to features and how they are used. People on these forums do NOT represent the majority of Apple users. We are more "power user" than average user. People are idiots...giving them less to deal with is sometimes better (and more popular).

Could be.
Personally I use the multi-stop feature whether on Android or iOS. Comes in handy for some trips (including wife shopping trips )

 

[Jarrodbcall]

What type of correction?

This was a POI address issue. My work office was labeled incorrectly.

 

[MozMan68]

This was a POI address issue. My work office was labeled incorrectly.

Kewl...that should be fixed quickly. Let us know!
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Could be.
Personally I use the multi-stop feature whether on Android or iOS. Comes in handy for some trips (including wife shopping trips )

One of the reasons I use Apple Maps...

 

[G1Ravage]

I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be some sort of visible update today. Let's see when I wake up later this evening.

 

[Chacocliff]

For that short of a distance, I consider that timing within the margin of error...that's a few "missed" or "made" traffic lights. So many other factors like driving the speed limit or getting stuck behind a slow driver. It all adds up. I don't worry too much about ETA between different apps unless it gets up into the 10 minute difference range.

Folks on Reddit are claiming they are seeing the new Maps area (TX, LA, MS) since the latest beta. Still nothing for me!

I had the maps for Texas on my phone and not my iPad on the newest beta. Then yesterday, it went away on my phone. They are doing a weird roll out with the new maps.