I guess you meant very "buggy" (with many bugs or problems). Thanks for the heads up! That is much appreciated, indeed.
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Upgrading 2013-2015 Macbook Pro SSD to M.2 NVMe
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I guess you meant very "buggy" (with many bugs or problems). Thanks for the heads up! That is much appreciated, indeed.
Yes a lot of people on the PC side are reporting slower speeds, system glitches with the new firmware.
If your firmware is 2B7QCXE7 you should be fine.
You can check your firmware by either going to About this Mac > System Report > System Information > Hardware > NVMExpress or installing smartmontools through Homebrew.
Successfully installed a Samsung 960 Evo with Sintech adapter in a MBP 13 2015 today.
First it did not recognize the SSD. The problem is, that the little feet’s of the adapter touch the metal shield housing of the MBPs SSD connector.
I then put 3 layers of “Tesa” over the “feets” of the adapter to isolate it.
After this, all went fine.
Speed is about 1300/1300.
Until now, no reboot, sleep, hibernate issues.
The 960 EVO was produced end of october 2017. I did not upgrade the firmware.
Martin
First it did not recognize the SSD. The problem is, that the little feet’s of the adapter touch the metal shield housing of the MBPs SSD connector.
I then put 3 layers of “Tesa” over the “feets” of the adapter to isolate it.
After this, all went fine.
Speed is about 1300/1300.
Until now, no reboot, sleep, hibernate issues.
The 960 EVO was produced end of october 2017. I did not upgrade the firmware.
Martin
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I have the same MBP as you, and thinking to upgrade. I have no idea whether the NVMe will on Mid 2014 Retina.
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This is so helpful. I own a MBP Retina 15' Mid 2014 with 256gb storage. I want to upgrade to 500gb or !Tb with NVMe drive.
I have a mid-2014 retina MacBook Pro 13" with stock 512 GB PCIe x2 SSD and am looking to upgrade to a 1 TB SSD in the most reliable, hastle-free manner possible. Skimming through the previous posts in this thread from the great investigative work everyone's been doing it seems like even Apple NVMe SSDs still have residual issues with mid-2014 and earlier MacBook Pros. I've seen previous posts mention hibernation-issues and showing up as external drives under EFI likely preventing future firmware updates. So NVMe SSDs, whether Apple official or third-party still aren't trouble-free?
Since my mid-2014 MacBook Pro 13 is only capable of PCIe 2.0 x4 anyways, I'm thinking trying to find a 1 TB Apple SSUBX PCIe 3.0 x4 AHCI SSD is the most reliable option? The SSUBX already seems fast enough to saturate PCIe 2.0 x4, so I won't lose much in terms of bandwidth, just some responsiveness by sticking with AHCI rather than trying NVMe.
Since my mid-2014 MacBook Pro 13 is only capable of PCIe 2.0 x4 anyways, I'm thinking trying to find a 1 TB Apple SSUBX PCIe 3.0 x4 AHCI SSD is the most reliable option? The SSUBX already seems fast enough to saturate PCIe 2.0 x4, so I won't lose much in terms of bandwidth, just some responsiveness by sticking with AHCI rather than trying NVMe.
Hi to both of you.
I know this thread is going huge and difficult to read all.
I tried to sum up things in post #295.
Short story : if you want to save bucks, buy an 1Tb intel 600p, a toshiba XG3, a Kingston KC1000...
Long story :
Apple SSD are the most reliable choice, period. But they're not cheap. And you can't buy new ones with serious warranty, nowhere, unless you're an AASP. You have ebay, but no warranty.
They exist in AHCI or NVMe flavours. AHCI always work. NVMe work natively with 2015 Macs and work with up to date Bootrom in 2013-2014 Macs.
You have to pay $1000 for new grey-market Apple 1TB or used ones from $700..(-no- -warranty-)
Third party SSDs, you have the choice of :
- OWC, Transcend 960 or MCE. They are all AHCI, native Apple 12+16 form factor. Not cheap, but you get a warranty.
Always prefer Transcend 960 or MCE over OWC : transcend 960 or MCE are true and native PCIe drives. OWC build their PCIe SSDs from a raid0 of 2 sata SSD, and they consume a lot of power and spread a lot of heat (and you have no smart)
- M.2 PCIe AHCI drives : they are disappearing from the shelves... Quite expensive, too. Work great with Sintech adapter. The last one you can buy new are Kingston Hyper-X predator (SHPM2280P2/960G)
- M.2 PCIe NVMe drives : Work with Sintech adapter. Huge choice of new, low price, up to 2TB.
1TB go from $350 brand new with warranty (Intel P600)
On 2015 Macs : nothing particular to do.
On 2013-2014 Macs : you have do disable hibernation (sudo pmset -g standby 0)
NVMe drives formatted in 512B require 10.13
NVMe drives formatted in 4K can work from 10.12 natively, and this is the best choice as of today (High Sierra as of 10.13.1 has still many, many bugs...)
NVMe drive that can be formatted in 4K are : Kingston KC1000, Toshiba XG3-XG4-XG5, WD Black, maybe Plextor PM8e
NVMe drives that can't be formatted in 4K are : Intel P600, all Samsung drives (PM951, SM951, SM961, 960 Evo, 960 Pro, PM981.
I use my own MBPr 2015 with a Kingston KC1000 for nearly 3 months now without any issue. (previously I've used an Apple NVMe SSD for month).
I've long tried Samsung 960 Evo - Pro : it works but I repeatedly got kernel panics on big file transfers...
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Hi,
you can. but you have to update the bootrom / install High Sierra on your mac before to install the new NVMe drive.
There are still instabilities with Samsungs drives as of today.
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Thanks for your report ! Yes on 2015 macs no problem of sleep/hibernation.
Thank you for you answer.
what you can say about this adapter? I can use it with 960 EVO?
This has been a fantastic thread to follow and many thanks to Gilles for his efforts - much appreciated!
If the Samsung Evo 960 1TB was a rock solid solution for my Macbook Pro 15" mid 2014 I wouldn't hessitate to go ahead with the project. I was considering the OWC Aura Pro X 1TB but it seems that they are using old chips that consumes to much energy.
So I am hoping Apple will release a fix for High Sierra that deals with the Kernel Panics with the NVMe drives. And hopefully also the Sleep issues / drive recognition.
Waiting / hoping for some good news in a near future about all this
BR Flemming
If the Samsung Evo 960 1TB was a rock solid solution for my Macbook Pro 15" mid 2014 I wouldn't hessitate to go ahead with the project. I was considering the OWC Aura Pro X 1TB but it seems that they are using old chips that consumes to much energy.
So I am hoping Apple will release a fix for High Sierra that deals with the Kernel Panics with the NVMe drives. And hopefully also the Sleep issues / drive recognition.
Waiting / hoping for some good news in a near future about all this
BR Flemming
I'll add my thanks to all the intrepid investigators, but a particular salut! et merci to Gilles @ Polysoft.
Before I take the plunge I'd just like to be sure that these two items will upgrade my late 2013 MBP (A1502):
Thanks again!
Before I take the plunge I'd just like to be sure that these two items will upgrade my late 2013 MBP (A1502):
Thanks again!
Hi,
macOS 10.13.2 just appeared on App Store - and now installed
Maybe this 1,6GB update fixes things for NVMe in general? Sleep, kernel panics
It fixes the annoying blank screen at 70% while booting macOS and my old Parallels 10 is working better in fullscreen mode.
I have been wondering... Isn't it possible to configure timing and parameters for the "IONVMeFamily.kext" somewhere?
macOS 10.13.2 just appeared on App Store
- and now installedMaybe this 1,6GB update fixes things for NVMe in general? Sleep, kernel panics
It fixes the annoying blank screen at 70% while booting macOS and my old Parallels 10 is working better in fullscreen mode.
I have been wondering... Isn't it possible to configure timing and parameters for the "IONVMeFamily.kext" somewhere?
Did anyone with a Samsung 960 NVMe already install the 10.13.2 update?
Are there any problems with the SSD? Speed decrease? Sleep/ hibernate issues?
Martin
Are there any problems with the SSD? Speed decrease? Sleep/ hibernate issues?
Martin
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I have a 960 NVMe, 500 GB, Late 2013 rMBP. I ran the combo update, no real speed changes. Boot time's the same, haven't seen any sleep/hibernation issues but I did the pmset that giles recommended. BootROM is unchanged.
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Has anyone tried Samsung 500GB 960 EVO on a MBP 15 mid-2015 with High Sierra 10.13.2 ?
Edit: I think my answer is here:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/upgrading-2013-2014-macbook-pro-ssd-to-m-2-nvme.2034976/page-15
Edit: I think my answer is here:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/upgrading-2013-2014-macbook-pro-ssd-to-m-2-nvme.2034976/page-15
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I'm planning to upgrade to a 1TB Samsung 960 Pro in my 2015 15" MBPr and looking for the right adapter. After reading the whole thread is this already the new bigger revision of the adapter?
http://eshop.sintech.cn/ngff-m2-pcie-ssd-card-as-2013-2014-2015-macbook-ssd-p-1139.html
also did you guys use 5mm or 10mm Kapton tape?
http://eshop.sintech.cn/ngff-m2-pcie-ssd-card-as-2013-2014-2015-macbook-ssd-p-1139.html
also did you guys use 5mm or 10mm Kapton tape?
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Did you upgrade your rMBP to High Sierra BEFORE putting in the new SSD/adapter?
If booting from a High Sierra USB key, did you run Disk Utility, View All Devices, quit, run DU again, view all devices again?
Could also be a bum adapter, get the Sintech if you can't get a replacement for the ChenYang.
If booting from a High Sierra USB key, did you run Disk Utility, View All Devices, quit, run DU again, view all devices again?
Could also be a bum adapter, get the Sintech if you can't get a replacement for the ChenYang.
Yes I upgraded it and tried the trick with Disk Utility - I think I might need to get a new adaptor
Yes I upgraded it and tried the trick with Disk Utility - I think I might need to get a new adaptor
Did you tape the adapters pins, so they can not touch the connectors shielding?
„Tesa“ is working, too
So did anybody conclude any thing regarding the 10.13.2 update?? Did this update fix some things regarding NVMe - kernel panic with large files copying and sleep issues??
Hi,
As for kernel panics with Samsung drives : 10.13.2 update changes nothing and I'm not surprised of that because the version of IONVMeFamily.kext is still v2.1.0 which is the same since the early betas of High Sierra.
As those kernel panic only occurs barely on a normal use (and are only reproductibles when copying really big folders on really fast external drives), there may not be a lot of people experimenting those kernel panics, and even less submitting feedback to Apple...
I did submitted feedback to Apple with the feedback assistant app but I may be quite alone doing this...
Maybe don't expect anything new on this until a while...
As a side note here : I did a lot of tries with Intel 600P which can only be 512B formatted, and I have used it for 2 weeks without having any KP, even with doing numerous CarbonCopy clones of SSD to an external USB 3.0 samsung SSD.
Also, I did tried the Samsung PM981 which I did recently received, and used it under Linux on a rMBP 13" late 2013 : it works without any issue (in opposite to High sierra which doesn't handle this drive on the same machine).
It doesn't go in the sense of a hardware nor SSD firmware issue here, but I'm almost certain that there is an issue between IONVMeFamily.kext of macOS HighSierra and NVMe samsung drives...
When will it be fixed ? no one knows..
As for sleep issue on 2013-2014 macs, it may never ever be fixed by a macOS update because it's more on the EFI side.
And again we can live with it : on any 2013-2014 macs I've tested with NVMe drives, I get totaly rid of sleep issues by simply setting "standby mode" to 0
(and of course, I use good sintech adapter with proper kapton insulation).
A question I ask here : in the present case of upgrading MBPr with NVMe SSDs, why do so many of you buy samsung drives ?
This was also my first choice (because samsung based Apple PCIe SSD are the best, maybe...) but the results of late months show clearly that Samsung drives are the only drives which have unresolved problems under macOS 10.13...
Why don't you buy Kingston or Thoshiba NVMe drives instead ?(or even WD or intel)
They have the same warranties, performances and price and they do work without issues and even on Sierra once formatted in 4K.
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Well Gilles - the Samsung EVO / PRO 960 just seems ahead of the competitors regarding speed and technology.
But I guess that the Kingston KC1000 seems to be the better choice and should be comparable in speed / performance both on read / writes?
So no issues on this SSD it seems - not even the sleep problem?
BR Flemming
But I guess that the Kingston KC1000 seems to be the better choice and should be comparable in speed / performance both on read / writes?
So no issues on this SSD it seems - not even the sleep problem?
BR Flemming