Technically, don't we pay monthly for visual voicemail? When i bought the thirty a month unlimited iphone plan that was considered one of the features.
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Technically, don't we pay monthly for visual voicemail? When i bought the thirty a month unlimited iphone plan that was considered one of the features.
It's a prequel of what's to come and an excellent ad.....it's not hard to figure out
Why is it an excellent ad? People keep saying that but I've yet to hear why. People on this board like it because it lists all the little complaints that get bantered around here constantly, and people like to see their own viewpoints validated.
But I'll say again - you don't beat a market leader with whiny little criticisms. You beat it with a better product, probably a much better product (to account for the fact the market leader already has an entrenched position).
Are you serious?
Highlighting a main competitors' shortcomings and then stating that those are not present in the device they're trying to sell sounds like a pretty good idea to me.
Apple's not going to add background tasks for a long time.. they've just spent a fortune on the push notification servers.. so if the competition starts working on decent multitasking implementations, people are going to consider other smartphones.
The "revolutionary" iPhone is still very primitive in some aspects.
People on this board are only a fraction of people who criticise those iPhones for those reasons, and the people who made that ad are aware of that fact.
They've highlighted peoples' main criticisms of the iPhone and are stating that their product doesn't share the same shortcomings.
I think everything in the ad has been said here and other iphone sites.
The jailbreak community does provide a better means of multi taksing, customization, run widgets, and offers more open development its claimed to be illegal and Apple makes efforts to stop it.
Imagine going to buy a MBP for $3000 and you bring it in for service and the genius finds a program on the unapproved list and tells you sorry this program is on the unapproved list and it probably caused the power button to break. You would probably be on MR telling everyone how you spend $3000 and they wouldn't fix it because. Well over the 2 year cotract I am spending over $2500 and its Steve's way or the highway.
Personally I welcome the droid platforms and I can't wait to see the offerings first hand.
As one person on one of the forums (might have been here) said something to this effect.
where hackers go cool goes
people go where cool goes.
Thats kept me with the iphone.
I am not into pirating as the apps are reasonable enough. I do like customizing and widgets. When I look at my phone I want to look at my phone and I don't want it to be like yours or everyone elses.
I don't think droid will kill the iphone but will take a chuck of market share and that is what Apple needs to be worried about.
Lots of I in there just like the iphone and ipod has an I.
I work, I buy, there for I want.
Whatever toys gives me what I want I get.
Love the ad
The jailbreak community does provide a better means of multi taksing, customization, run widgets, and offers more open development its claimed to be illegal and Apple makes efforts to stop it.
Imagine going to buy a MBP for $3000 and you bring it in for service and the genius finds a program on the unapproved list and tells you sorry this program is on the unapproved list and it probably caused the power button to break. You would probably be on MR telling everyone how you spend $3000 and they wouldn't fix it because. Well over the 2 year cotract I am spending over $2500 and its Steve's way or the highway.
Personally I welcome the droid platforms and I can't wait to see the offerings first hand.
As one person on one of the forums (might have been here) said something to this effect.
where hackers go cool goes
people go where cool goes.
Thats kept me with the iphone.
I am not into pirating as the apps are reasonable enough. I do like customizing and widgets. When I look at my phone I want to look at my phone and I don't want it to be like yours or everyone elses.
I don't think droid will kill the iphone but will take a chuck of market share and that is what Apple needs to be worried about.
Lots of I in there just like the iphone and ipod has an I.
I work, I buy, there for I want.
Whatever toys gives me what I want I get.
Love the ad
ok fanboy...whatever
Oh, so you didn't actually have a reason. Glad we're clear.
For those with short memories, Palm has already tried this whole approach with the Pre - both the sophisticated multitasking and the ads targeting apple's flaws. And yet here we are 4 months after the pre's launch, and the only time the mainstream media carries stories about it is when palm hacks itunes. So I tell ya what - let's continue this discussion in 6 months or so, and you can tell me how droid has done taking the iphone's market share.
Verizon knows, and we all know, that the iPhone is the current leader.
Thus, they want to take this down, so they create a commercial as such.
For you Droid comment, Droid is actually the name of a new phone coming to Verizon, the Motorola Droid. This ad is not meant to tell users about Android, it's meant to be a teaser for Droid while also explaining the weaknesses of AT&T.
Wow... seriously? I had absolutely no idea droid was a particular phone from seeing that commercial. Which pretty much says it all.
do you guys know which android device VZW is going to unveil in Nov?
nv, found it, its motorola droid
more info, some specs are quite attractive
* 3.7″ screen with 854×480 (16:9 widescreen) capacitive touchscreen
* 600 MHz ARM Cortex A8 Processor
* Wi-Fi, EV-DO
* 5 megapixel camera with autofocus and LED flash and video recording
* QWERTY Slider, 13.7mm thick
* 3.5mm headphone jack
* 16GB onboard storage with microSD expansion slot
* Android 2.0 'Eclair'
* Launches December 1st
What an ugly, ugly phone.
Doesn't grab your attention? When the applesque music cut away, it sure caught mine.
I think multitasking is coming next year. The best solution has always been push notifications in combination with multitasking. The reason it hasn't been introduced before is simply that the first and second generation iPhones/iPod touch did not have enough memory and provided a bad user experience. The G1 allowed it but with poor battery life and an unpleasant user experience.
And yes, the iPhone is revolutionary. If that wasn't the case everybody wouldn't copy it. If Apple does bring multitasking in OS 4.0 what case can be made for another smartphone?
A keyboard? It's funny that people mention this yet one of the main complaints of Android 1.0 was that people wanted a soft keyboard. There are people that may really want a keyboard but ironically they are being weened off it by the numerous other phones that are coming out with soft keyboards.
Openness? Maybe I'm missing something, but for all of Android's openness, they have not produced any apps that I couldn't get on the App Store already or through the 10 minute process to jailbreak my phone. While Android users may have the option to install apps outside of their app store, 97% of it's users wouldn't stray.
This is not a good ad. Who is it for? People that understand what "open development" is or widgets, or care about multitasking on their phone, have already decided whether or not they want an iPhone and are already aware of it's shortcomings. It's a totally geeked out ad that isn't going to affect the iPhone's market.
On a side note, my god has Engadget gone insane with Apple hate. It's totally over the top now. I mean, I can understand not liking Apple and the iPhone, but you still need to respect what it has done for the smartphone market. Engadget commentors have just completely lost it. It's like this Droid Phone ad was made by them, and that is why it won't succeed on any mass market level.
On a side note, my god has Engadget gone insane with Apple hate. It's totally over the top now. I mean, I can understand not liking Apple and the iPhone, but you still need to respect what it has done for the smartphone market. Engadget commentors have just completely lost it. It's like this Droid Phone ad was made by them, and that is why it won't succeed on any mass market level.
jailbreaking will become more and more difficult. As far as 97% goes is that made up? Reports say that jailbreakers make up 10% of the iPhone population. So why would 10% of iphoners go outside if iTunes but only 3% if android users go to a third party store.
As far as the ad goes. Not sure if you have seen the mac commercials but they seem to be pretty lacking when it comes to highlighting macs hardware. They seem to be more about the shortcomings of windows. They seems to be what verizon did with their ad
To all the people saying "This ad sucks," this is Advertising 101. Why? It catches you attention when cutting away from the generic black-on-white text to the Droid with a link for people to go to.
This campaign is absolutely genius and I'm more excited for Android than the iPhone anymore. Partly because I can only get VZW but Android definitely has a lot of potential.
This campaign is absolutely genius and I'm more excited for Android than the iPhone anymore. Partly because I can only get VZW but Android definitely has a lot of potential.
Multitasking isn't coming next year. Why would Apple bother going to the trouble of creating this push notification implementation and then just add background app support anyway? That would be the biggest waste of time and money ever. Push notifications being used in conjunction with background app support would be no better than just allowing everything to run in the background. The 3GS hardware is more than capable for multitasking; it's just the battery life that would let it down.
Sorry but I don't think it's fair to include jailbroken apps when you compare the iPhone to Android phones. Android is a lot less limited than the stock iPhone, which is why Android is more open. Show me something similar to the HTC Sense UI running on the iPhone and I'll take that back
If the only way you can sell your product is by comparing it to another one, it's already failed.
Good point actually
Fact is though, this ad is stupid. Apart from the battery thing and the 5mp camera (even there there's debate about what the megapixel count means in terms of quality), the rest (multitasking, open development, customising, etc) can be fixed by jailbreaking.
Good point actually
Fact is though, this ad is stupid. Apart from the battery thing and the 5mp camera (even there there's debate about what the megapixel count means in terms of quality), the rest (multitasking, open development, customising, etc) can be fixed by jailbreaking.
Perhaps. I remain unconvinced by Android so far. That said you shouldn't have to invalidate your phone's warranty to make it do what you want.
Thing is, the two main areas Android lacks in, Apple does very well with.
Firstly, developers and apps. Yes, Android supports open development out of the box, but that's meaningless if there's no develooers supporting it. For evidence of this, there's a study comparing the success of the same popular app in the App Store vs. the Android Market here.
Second, it's branding. Yes, I know Android is made by Google and all, but if the standard consumer is thinking of getting a smartphone, the first name they think of is not "Google" or "Android", but is a lot more likely to be "Apple" or "iPhone". As you can see here, this was even true in 2007. This is because Google is seen more as "the thing you use to find things online" than "phone company", whereas Apple has a very well established brand for gadgets.
Another thing that comes under branding is the name. If a device has an established name, it has the potential to be popular. This is why almost everyone has heard of the name "iPhone". However, if you ask someone about the "HTC Hero" or the "T-Mobile SPV G500" (because, of course, almost every HTC device is re-branded by the networks), they won't have a clue what you're on about. This also ties in a fair bit with the previous paragraph.
Good point actually
Fact is though, this ad is stupid. Apart from the battery thing and the 5mp camera (even there there's debate about what the megapixel count means in terms of quality), the rest (multitasking, open development, customising, etc) can be fixed by jailbreaking.
Are you saying that the iPhone perhaps wouldn't be better off with a 5 Megapixel camera?
Megapixels do matter in Cell Phones. In SLRs, they matter less, because the sensors are typically different sized, so having more megapixels sacrifices ISO speed.
If the Motorola Droid comes packed with a SnapDragon, Android will be redefined.
A significantly faster platform than the iPhone (1 GHZ vs 600 MHZ), more customization, better hardware.
You add those together, all you're missig is the App Store and use experience. If they can get all of that righ by next June, the iPhone is sunk.
Read my previous post.
Plus, don't forget that the iPhone will be upgraded next year too, and now all these other smartphones are coming about I'm sure Apple will so a proper full update on the next one.