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LIVEFRMNYC

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I think everyone is missing the point of this thread. To me it is refuting all the continual bashing that Samsung gets from the "its bloated and laggy" crowd. No one is going to notice the performance differences between the X and the Note 8. But that means the Note 8 is up to the level of Apple's fastest "bionic" CPU.

Pretty much. Will be interesting to see the S9 on SD 845, Oreo, and Samsung Experience 9.0. It just might match the game loading speed of the iPhone X.
 

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Pretty much. Will be interesting to see the S9 on SD 845, Oreo, and Samsung Experience 9.0. It just might match the game loading speed of the iPhone X.
No it is still well behind. Anything cpu intensive, the a11 will pull massively ahead. For example, video editing is more than 4x faster or raw image processing which is about 2-3x from my testing.

Granted those things are not likely to be used much on a phone, but to say the Qualcomm cpu is anywhere near as fast as an a11 is stretching the truth.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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No it is still well behind. Anything cpu intensive, the a11 will pull massively ahead. For example, video editing is more than 4x faster or raw image processing which is about 2-3x from my testing.

Granted those things are not likely to be used much on a phone, but to say the Qualcomm cpu is anywhere near as fast as an a11 is stretching the truth.

I video edit on my phone like once every 3 weeks. Game loading times(which is not a big deal) with the Note 8 vs iPhone X is an average different of about 3 seconds, per multiple Youtube speed tests.

Those benchmarks on the a11 don't seem to translate the huge difference in real life usage, more like a slight difference in game loading and video exports.

The improvements with the S9 will most likely match the game loading times of the iPhone X.
 

thunng8

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I video edit on my phone like once every 3 weeks. Game loading times(which is not a big deal) with the Note 8 vs iPhone X is an average different of about 3 seconds, per multiple Youtube speed tests.

Those benchmarks on the a11 don't seem to translate the huge difference in real life usage, more like a slight difference in game loading and video exports.

The improvements with the S9 will most likely match the game loading times of the iPhone X.
Like I said huge difference in video exports. A11 is about 4x faster. Raw photo editing from full frame cameras more than 2x faster

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-x-vs-galaxy-note-8,review-4797.html
 

The Game 161

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I think everyone is missing the point of this thread. To me it is refuting all the continual bashing that Samsung gets from the "its bloated and laggy" crowd. No one is going to notice the performance differences between the X and the Note 8. But that means the Note 8 is up to the level of Apple's fastest "bionic" CPU.



You seriously think the Note 8 is never going to get an update?



I've literally never needed to do that so wouldn't be a feature that would sway my phone choice. If you own everything Apple, they do work well together... until they don't. But I've found the heterogeneous approach is really closing the gap on all Apple, and you get so much more choice.



Yeh, you will find other products that compare well with the ones you listed.

Such as what though?

After phones the drop off in quality products is rather big. Android wear is poor, android tablets in general are poor. Apart from surface nothing really holds up to a MacBook. Wireless buds don’t compare to what Apple have out

So no I fail to see how it compares.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Game loading (and general app loading) is mostly due to storage speed. I doubt a slightly faster CPU would make a big difference.

Both the CPU and Drive speed make a difference. And as I stated in my initial post. The combination of SD 845, Oreo, and Samsung Experience 9.0 will most likely make game loading speed on the S9 equivalent to the iPhone X.
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Apart from surface nothing really holds up to a MacBook.

There's plenty of PC Notebooks that are just as good and better than a MacBook.
 
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The Game 161

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Both the CPU and Drive speed make a difference. And as I stated in my initial post. The combination of SD 845, Oreo, and Samsung Experience 9.0 will most likely make game loading speed on the S9 equivalent to the iPhone X.
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There's plenty of PC Notebooks that are just as good and better than a MacBook.
Nah don't buy that, there's a reason most people who do work use a MacBook or surface. sure other options are cheaper but doesn't make them good products.
 

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No it is still well behind. Anything cpu intensive, the a11 will pull massively ahead. For example, video editing is more than 4x faster or raw image processing which is about 2-3x from my testing.

Granted those things are not likely to be used much on a phone, but to say the Qualcomm cpu is anywhere near as fast as an a11 is stretching the truth.

Not in the GPU department, according to GSM arena the snapdragon 835 with adreno 540 produces up to 567 GFLOPS while the A11 bionic only produces up to 325 GFLOPS. So its not all about cpu speed. There are other factors that come into play such as NAND, ram, gpu etc........

https://www.gsmarena.com/counterclockwise_consolequality_graphics_on_phones-news-28080.php
 
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Such as what though?

After phones the drop off in quality products is rather big. Android wear is poor, android tablets in general are poor. Apart from surface nothing really holds up to a MacBook. Wireless buds don’t compare to what Apple have out

So no I fail to see how it compares.
I love the Gear S3 and greatly prefer it to the Apple Watch, having had both.

I'm not really an iPad guy... To me it's a big iPhone. Our granddaughter has a kids Fire and it does the job and is indestructible. Laptops... That is one of the first places Apple lost me. Same tired designs with no innovation. You need to get out more if you think the Surface is the only good alternative. The tier one OEMs all have great stuff. As for the Airpods... they may have some great technology inside, but beyond that they are dumb looking and would never work in my ears. For my needs Bose blows away all the Apple offerings. I did end up with a set of Beats X that are OK, but they are the one odd thing with a proprietary charging port I now use, and they are not really any better than a no name set I got for $30.
No it is still well behind. Anything cpu intensive, the a11 will pull massively ahead. For example, video editing is more than 4x faster or raw image processing which is about 2-3x from my testing.

Granted those things are not likely to be used much on a phone, but to say the Qualcomm cpu is anywhere near as fast as an a11 is stretching the truth.
Why would anyone want to edit video or Raw images on a phone? Unless I didn't own a computer, I can't imagine I'd ever do this. So if that's your thing, then by all means get an iPhone. I'll do such things on my Surface Pro with a 4k display.
 
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I love the Gear S3 and greatly prefer it to the Apple Watch, having had both.

I'm not really an iPad guy... To me it's a big iPhone. Our granddaughter has a kids Fire and it does the job and is indestructible. Laptops... That is one of the first places Apple lost me. Same tired designs with no innovation. You need to get out more if you think the Surface is the only good alternative. The tier one OEMs all have great stuff. As for the Airpods... they may have some great technology inside, but beyond that they are dumb looking and would never work in my ears. For my needs Bose blows away all the Apple offerings. I did end up with a set of Beats X that are OK, but they are the one odd thing with a proprietary charging port I now use, and they are not really any better than a no name set I got for $30.

I agree and was in the process of moving away from iPad to a surface until I got to try iOS11 on my old iPad Pro 9.7. Adding a dock, file system and more multitasking ability won me over. IOS 11 was more of an iPad release, than it was for a phone. And (just my opinion ) game changing.

Why would anyone want to edit video or Raw images on a phone? Unless I didn't own a computer, I can't imagine I'd ever do this. So if that's your thing, then by all means get an iPhone. I'll do such things on my Surface Pro with a 4k display.
Your use case.

People on assignment, and need to post videos / photos from events they are attending, and doing it quickly. In the media circle I see it quite often for both Social Media, and fast web posts.

I am a staff photographer for a Motorsport publication, and do social media / web interviews for them as well. I take video during Press day events, walk up to the stands, edit it on my phone, and share it, before I even leave the stadium. I also take photos off of my camera, and use those for my press day photo report, again, doing that from the stands, or often trackside which is NOT a location you want even something as small as a Tablet out in front of you.

You see this more and more out in the wild, especially since these devices (both sides) are becoming more powerful as time goes on. Anything big that goes into print or needs to be a more in depth article, clearly I use my iPad, Mac, or Lenovo, but the phone does most of my quick work.

Funny thing is, I purchased a Pixel 2 to take advantage of Google photos for many of the reasons above. Since Google will let us upload photos from our SLR cameras, and not have it count against our Free uploads, it is a compelling reason to have a Pixel. The Publication I work for uses Google Drive, and my Photography freelance site (Smugmug) has links directly into Drive, so, I can even link to, and sell photos from events all without ever having to take out my tablet.

Speed to market, and the ability to work fast help me make money, if the other guy gets his or her photos up before I do, I don’t sell mine. My phones are tools that help me make income.
 

thunng8

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Not in the GPU department, according to GSM arena the snapdragon 835 with adreno 540 produces up to 567 GFLOPS while the A11 bionic only produces up to 325 GFLOPS. So its not all about cpu speed. There are other factors that come into play such as NAND, ram, gpu etc........

https://www.gsmarena.com/counterclockwise_consolequality_graphics_on_phones-news-28080.php
They even admit they have no ideas what flops the Apple chips produce. Next paragraph even says the Apple Gpu wipes the floor compared to snapdragon adreno.
 

lowendlinux

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simple

software updates
support
ecosystem (which is huge for most apple fans)

note 8 can not compete with apple in these areas.

Note 8 is a great phone but doesn't work like an iPhone does with multiple devices and over time.

I agree the ecosystem is important If I lived in the Apple world with all my other electronics the iPhone would be a no brainer but I don't.

Where did I say it doesn't work period? it just doesn't work like apple products do and it's not even close.

you won't get other products as good of a quality as you will get with the

iPad Pro
macbook pro
apple watch
apple TV
air pods/beats

nothing compares when it comes to syncing these devices with each other.

The gear is a very good smart watch but app selection is poor in comparison to the Apple Watch and android tablets just aren't good enough compared to the iPad. Samsung is the only one who seem to make an effort when it comes to tablets.

I have:

Nexus
Project Fi
Android Wear
Chromebook Pixel
Chromecast x2
Google WiFi

That's also an ecosystem and the iPhone and Mac's don't really fit in. The iPhone and Mac would have to have something very compelling for me to want to change at this point. My wife on the other hand has no real use for Google stuff since she is iPhone, iPad Pro, MacBook Pro, and we have an airport.
 

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I agree and was in the process of moving away from iPad to a surface until I got to try iOS11 on my old iPad Pro 9.7. Adding a dock, file system and more multitasking ability won me over. IOS 11 was more of an iPad release, than it was for a phone. And (just my opinion ) game changing.

Your use case.

People on assignment, and need to post videos / photos from events they are attending, and doing it quickly. In the media circle I see it quite often for both Social Media, and fast web posts.

I am a staff photographer for a Motorsport publication, and do social media / web interviews for them as well. I take video during Press day events, walk up to the stands, edit it on my phone, and share it, before I even leave the stadium. I also take photos off of my camera, and use those for my press day photo report, again, doing that from the stands, or often trackside which is NOT a location you want even something as small as a Tablet out in front of you.

You see this more and more out in the wild, especially since these devices (both sides) are becoming more powerful as time goes on. Anything big that goes into print or needs to be a more in depth article, clearly I use my iPad, Mac, or Lenovo, but the phone does most of my quick work.

Funny thing is, I purchased a Pixel 2 to take advantage of Google photos for many of the reasons above. Since Google will let us upload photos from our SLR cameras, and not have it count against our Free uploads, it is a compelling reason to have a Pixel. The Publication I work for uses Google Drive, and my Photography freelance site (Smugmug) has links directly into Drive, so, I can even link to, and sell photos from events all without ever having to take out my tablet.

Speed to market, and the ability to work fast help me make money, if the other guy gets his or her photos up before I do, I don’t sell mine. My phones are tools that help me make income.

There you go... not everyone needs the same stuff. To me, the file system and two apps at the same time doesn't cut it for me. I want to be able to dock to a bigger display and have a pointing device. For you, it seems to be enough. But since the X can't put two things on the screen at a time like the Note 8, that isn't relevant to this thread at least.

I do a lot of sports photography, and have done it commercially as well. My Surface Pro is in my Lowpro backpack with my camera gear, and I can get my files from DSLR to Surface Pro just as quickly as I could get them to an iAnything. In fact, quicker since I can shoot directly to MicroSD and insert it into the Surface Pro to edit.
 

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There you go... not everyone needs the same stuff. To me, the file system and two apps at the same time doesn't cut it for me. I want to be able to dock to a bigger display and have a pointing device. For you, it seems to be enough. But since the X can't put two things on the screen at a time like the Note 8, that isn't relevant to this thread at least.

I do a lot of sports photography, and have done it commercially as well. My Surface Pro is in my Lowpro backpack with my camera gear, and I can get my files from DSLR to Surface Pro just as quickly as I could get them to an iAnything. In fact, quicker since I can shoot directly to MicroSD and insert it into the Surface Pro to edit.
Remember you aren’t responding to someone who is Apple only, and I am aware of what other technolgy can do. I just told you I use my Pixel for the photo side, so not sure what the additional slam against Apple was for. I know you detest apple products, and I would never try to convert you!! ;) .

You asked who uses phones for video and photo editing, I responded that I do, and why. Not really interested in a useless technology debate since we both have different use cases. A quick correction though, and perhaps some additional clarification for my use case.

On the iPad, it is Actually 3 (in some cases 4 if it is a video) apps at the same time, and the device now has native drag and drop. I like it, I upgraded to a iPad Pro 10.5, and still have the Surface pro on my shopping list, for when my Lenovo is a bit older. May even consider a Surface Book, but I don’t think I want to go that direction.

With the exception of 1 camera, I shoot all Compact Flash, and AFIK, there aren’t any phones on my radar that read those natively. WIFI from my cameras , or a cam ranger are my preferred connection for photos (plenty fast), and for video I just connect a cable to my device and quickly pull them down.

As an aside, you don’t see many photogs don’t change lenses or open card slots trackside. I shoot Motorcross / supercross which is really dusty. Tablets and laptops are not permitted trackside either. It’s a good way to get your pass revoked.
 

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I always find these tests so stupid. Who cares whether an app opens 0.002 seconds faster on either phone?
my thoughts as well......speed tests and benchmarks...really don't amount to much.
Unless there is a very dramatic difference...no one will notice when using their phones.
 

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Remember you aren’t responding to someone who is Apple only, and I am aware of what other technolgy can do. I just told you I use my Pixel for the photo side, so not sure what the additional slam against Apple was for. I know you detest apple products, and I would never try to convert you!! ;) .

You asked who uses phones for video and photo editing, I responded that I do, and why. Not really interested in a useless technology debate since we both have different use cases. A quick correction though, and perhaps some additional clarification for my use case.

On the iPad, it is Actually 3 (in some cases 4 if it is a video) apps at the same time, and the device now has native drag and drop. I like it, I upgraded to a iPad Pro 10.5, and still have the Surface pro on my shopping list, for when my Lenovo is a bit older. May even consider a Surface Book, but I don’t think I want to go that direction.

With the exception of 1 camera, I shoot all Compact Flash, and AFIK, there aren’t any phones on my radar that read those natively. WIFI from my cameras , or a cam ranger are my preferred connection for photos (plenty fast), and for video I just connect a cable to my device and quickly pull them down.

As an aside, you don’t see many photogs don’t change lenses or open card slots trackside. I shoot Motorcross / supercross which is really dusty. Tablets and laptops are not permitted trackside either. It’s a good way to get your pass revoked.

I wasn't meaning to slam Apple, I was just describing what I thought were facts. I don't hate Apple. I've used Apple stuff for years and still have a lot of it in the family.

I get your workflow. But the thread is talking about iPhones being used for video editing and you keep talking about using an iPad. That is why I said you can't put two apps on screen together.
 

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I wasn't meaning to slam Apple, I was just describing what I thought were facts. I don't hate Apple. I've used Apple stuff for years and still have a lot of it in the family.

I get your workflow. But the thread is talking about iPhones being used for video editing and you keep talking about using an iPad. That is why I said you can't put two apps on screen together.
Actually it is the phone I am editing on. Sorry that wasn’t clear. Wish I could use the iPad more, but they don’t want us using those devices on the floor.

But I understand and appreciate that. As a photographer, I bet you have had the fun experience of someone holding one of those up in front of one of your shots. It’s quite annoying!
 

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Actually it is the phone I am editing on. Sorry that wasn’t clear. Wish I could use the iPad more, but they don’t want us using those devices on the floor.

But I understand and appreciate that. As a photographer, I bet you have had the fun experience of someone holding one of those up in front of one of your shots. It’s quite annoying!

Oh yeh! We had a youth sports and school photography business for years. Nothing like trying to take a composed team photo (or 50 of them) and some dufus parent steps up in front of the shot with an iPad to take a picture because they are too cheap to buy ours. I got pretty good at boxing them all out. But even if they weren't in the shot, they still would mess it up because the kids eyes would all be looking all over the place instead of at me. I just told them to let me go first and then they could have a turn. And generally the kids would start to move as soon as they saw I was done.
 
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Oh yeh! We had a youth sports and school photography business for years. Nothing like trying to take a composed team photo (or 50 of them) and some dufus parent steps up in front of the shot with an iPad to take a picture because they are too cheap to buy ours. I got pretty good at boxing them all out. But even if they weren't in the shot, they still would mess it up because the kids eyes would all be looking all over the place instead of at me. I just told them to let me go first and then they could have a turn. And generally the kids would start to move as soon as they saw I was done.
Yeah it’s always fun having your kit setup, remote flashes or studio lights, and ½ of the kids are looking at their parents camera phones. Even better when relatives and family complain that I didn’t get a shot with everyone looking at the camera. :rolleyes:
 

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Yeah it’s always fun having your kit setup, remote flashes or studio lights, and ½ of the kids are looking at their parents camera phones. Even better when relatives and family complain that I didn’t get a shot with everyone looking at the camera. :rolleyes:

Doing the team photos was one of the things I liked the most about it though... especially when it was the championship team. Once you get the hang of lining them up its so cool to see the whole thing come together. Now I just do action and its fun to shoot, but a real drag to do the processing.
 
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Hmm.

1st round is a data/wifi test. Note has better radios apparently.
Second round is a ram test. No contest.
The last bit with the game is the grunt test and this is where the x's large geekbench scores win out.

This is how it should be. The note is a productivity tool so needs better ram and data performance.
The X is a simple phone/app platform so needs a bit of grunt for the games.

A interesting test!

So, the Note is a professional tool for productive people and X is a simple toy.

Sure. Keep telling that to yourself.
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Genuinely curious. What "needs" does the iPhone meet that the Note 8 does not?

Can’t speak for him, but for me - a need for a device done with taste and style that also works well with the rest of my devices.
 
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