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daveedjackson

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Why has this thread gone onto a sudden tangent about other cards? Can we keep it solely for the W5700X? The comments about the 580x and the others are totally irrelevant to the post.
 
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Peterjk

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@daveedjackson I only mentioned the 580X because my original post (which you might not have seen) were about the W5700X and whether it would be better than TWO 580X's or not? If it's not in the scope of this thread to compare the W5700X to other cards and setups, I apologize.
 
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skippermonkey

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Why has this thread gone onto a sudden tangent about other cards? Can we keep it solely for the W5700X? The comments about the 580x and the others are totally irrelevant to the post.

Comparative GPU performance and driver issues are totally relevant. Otherwise what are people going to write about? "Comes in a nice box."? Gauging the W5700X's performance/value proposition is surely what this thread is about.
 
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Aboo

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Anyone who ordered their W5700X standalone MPX card get a delay notification today? Was expecting it April 30-May 4, but now pushed back to May 13-15.
 

Krevnik

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Sep 8, 2003
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Hey hey! The W5700X I ordered on the 15th just arrived on my doorstep! :)

I need to wait a bit for it to acclimate before I install it.

Lucky. Mine got waylaid in Narita for a day, so I won’t be getting it until next week. Not that I’m in a rush, but it would have been nice to not try to install it during the work week.

Slightly worried what real world impact this will have. If I’m using this and have a video playing which often happens. I can’t afford my performance to be impacted because of that.

Yeah, I’m curious too, but also worry a bit it is because the GPU drivers might be including decode support and loading down the GPU that way. It shouldn’t be a big impact, but it’s something I’m thinking of testing out when I get mine.
 

daveedjackson

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Comparative GPU performance and driver issues are totally relevant. Otherwise what are people going to write about? "Comes in a nice box."? Gauging the W5700X's performance/value proposition is surely what this thread is about.
Again not about comparisons. More the I have this card and it has all of these issues. Ie not the card the thread is about. Nevermind.
 

thomast0001

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Dec 29, 2019
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Ouch. I just reran the Compute tests this morning. I was careful to run them without Safari (or any other apps) running. The OpenCL test was as expected. However, the Metal test had terrible performance. Afterwards the OpenCL test had terrible performance. So I’ve now verified that having Safari running at time of execution isn’t specifically necessary (although it is useful for rapidly reproducing the issue). When I have the chance I’ll rerun the tests with the 580X installed again with the display hooked up to it. That way I can run a headless test.

[edit] Another finding. Putting the system to sleep and then waking it again fixes the W5700X performance issue with GB5.

[edit2] More testing indicates that the performance drop doesn’t always occur. Also, all tests are affected one way or another.
 
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724699

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Aug 4, 2012
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Weird, I hope my new system with the W5700X doesn't exhibit the weird performance instability issues you're seeing Thomas.

What're your full system specs? You're running the 12 core with only 32GB of RAM, forcing the machine into 4 channel mode with a 12 Core CPU meant to run 6, at the 2933Mhz. Could it be your overall setup causing performance dips?
 

thomast0001

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Weird, I hope my new system with the W5700X doesn't exhibit the weird performance instability issues you're seeing Thomas.

What're your full system specs? You're running the 12 core with only 32GB of RAM, forcing the machine into 4 channel mode with a 12 Core CPU meant to run 6, at the 2933Mhz. Could it be your overall setup causing performance dips?
You have the basics, plus I’m using a 1TB NVME boot drive (not the Apple one). However, none of that I think is important. Further testing indicates the performance degradation occurs for the Metal test, even without Safari running, sometimes immediately, and sometimes after a few runs. The OpenCL test on the other hand seems pretty stable. As I mentioned, putting the system to sleep or rebooting it corrects the issue... for a time. All this points to software/firmware issues.

What we need are some other benchmarks to compare stability.
 

daveedjackson

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You have the basics, plus I’m using a 1TB NVME boot drive (not the Apple one). However, none of that I think is important. Further testing indicates the performance degradation occurs for the Metal test, even without Safari running, sometimes immediately, and sometimes after a few runs. The OpenCL test on the other hand seems pretty stable. As I mentioned, putting the system to sleep or rebooting it corrects the issue... for a time. All this points to software/firmware issues.

What we need are some other benchmarks to compare stability.
I’m surprised there are not more people posting here who have received it. You can’t be the only macrumors user in the world to get one. Seems odd no one else had posted anything at all.
 
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cmsdock

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Jun 1, 2012
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Yes! On the West Coast, as close to China as I can get (short of Hawaii ;)). For the record, shipment details are:

2020/04/22 China Label Created
2020/04/22 Shanghai, China Shipped
2020/04/23 Incheon, Korea Arrived/Departed
2020/04/23 Anchorage, AK Arrived/Departed
2020/04/24 Louisville, KY Arrived/Departed
> Oakland, CA Arrived/Departed
> Sunnyvale, CA Arrived/Out for delivery

So let me tell you, that package *booked* across the Pacific! Once it hit the US, it took one *day* to fly around the country to my doorstep. Pretty impressive.
Yep UPS makes it happen. Quick fuel stop in Anchorage next onto World Port. Once it gets unloaded it takes world port about 15 minutes to sort it and get your shipment to the correct container to be loaded onto the next flight.
[automerge]1587915465[/automerge]
Mine is scheduled to arrive tomorrow evening so I’ll post results tomorrow.
Mine got into World Port this morning. There's no scheduled delivery date right because there an exception in China regarding transit. I'm near Cleveland so it's not too far from Louisville. Heck they could put it on a truck if sorted in time and get it up here for delivery tomorrow.
 

CMMChris

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Performance is generally fine, but if I have Hearthstone running at the same time as Safari, Hearthstone's usually super-smooth animation gets jittery. I've also had complete machine crashes too, with graphically intensive processes.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Navi drivers on macOS. They have been flawed since day one support (late 2019!!!!) and nothing changed despite tons of bug reports. Apple doesn't even react to them. Don't have any hope for 10.15.5. I am running Dev Beta 2 and still no changes / improvements. Maybe they will fix something in 10.16.
 

daveedjackson

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Aug 6, 2009
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We (Uk) customers only get tracking info once the order is received into the European centre (Netherlands) for now it just says waiting. But mine dispatched on the 22nd says deliver by 29th. Hoping it’ll be earlier.
 

Aboo

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Jul 7, 2008
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Those in the US that already received their cards or have gotten a shipment notification - did you guys pay for the expedited shipping?
 

MacFlaX

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Dec 15, 2019
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We (Uk) customers only get tracking info once the order is received into the European centre (Netherlands) for now it just says waiting. But mine dispatched on the 22nd says deliver by 29th. Hoping it’ll be earlier.
Same here for Germany. Shipment info received April 23rd in DHL center in Netherlands, estimated delivery April 30th. No DHL tracking yet...
 

blackie36

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Apr 29, 2006
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My 2 x W5700X‘s were dispatched by Apple last week, but unfortunately are now in the hands of TNT for delivery. I’ve had issues with TNT in the past on Apple orders, and my recent Mac Pro delivery experience was no better.

Unfortunately all Apple deliveries to Australia rely on TNT who are nightmare to deal with. The tracking information they provide is pretty much worthless and this time, the cards look like they‘ve been stuck in Shanghai airport for the last 3 days with no meaningful updates.

Definitely strange that there seems to be only one person here who has received their card.

Looking forward to receiving mine at some point (no bets on when that might be), but a tad worried about the issues which are being reported.

ThomasT0001 - thanks for the updates so far - keen to hear what real world performance you’re seeing on things like FCPX exports to h265, etc.
 
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goodbye_harmony

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Nov 8, 2017
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We (Uk) customers only get tracking info once the order is received into the European centre (Netherlands) for now it just says waiting. But mine dispatched on the 22nd says deliver by 29th. Hoping it’ll be earlier.

My was picked up at Eindhoven overnight, and has passed during the day through Leipzig. Now departed there. Delivery now stated as Wednesday.

DHL is is the carrier - in the UK they seem to be having capacity issues.
 

thomast0001

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Dec 29, 2019
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Those in the US that already received their cards or have gotten a shipment notification - did you guys pay for the expedited shipping?
I did. My apologies. I should have mentioned that originally. Quite frankly I’d forgotten about it. It was just 8 bucks. When I saw that, I thought, “Pfht! 8 bucks is nothing when you’ve just spent a thousand on the new card!” So just for grins I purchased the expedited shipping. I guess it really did make a difference!
 
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