I mean even a 80 watt battery would be a much better experience. For what a 1mm thickness increase Ill take that anyday.
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The hope for a lighter body was actually one of the main reasons I did hold out purchasing a MacBook Pro back then. Again, 200 grams might not sound like much, and it certainly isn't when you're only carrying it for like half an hour a day. But if you're on location at a shooting and carry it over your shoulder for up to ten hours without a pause, 200 grams more or less actually do make a difference.
So yes, a portable computer is more useful to me if it is more portable. If that's not the case for you, well, then Apple chose the wrong compromise for your use case. Like I said earlier, notebooks are always about finding the best compromise, and there's simply no perfect compromise for everyone.
I still have the 2014 working and over the next day or so I will put all my apps on the new one.
It takes a bit of time to install photoshop. Set up my terminal and sync Dropbox... I’m a web developer.
So a fresh install would have put me out of work for at least a day or two. I guess over a weekend but I was itching for a new MacBook I guess...
I will be fresh installing high Sierra on the new one when it comes. It ships with Sierra right? And what’s this I’m reading that it doesn’t come with the power adapter extender?! For the price I paid that’s a bit pathetic.
Just wait until you buy a replacement adapter - $79 for the adapter. And $19 for the USB-C power cable. And $19 more for the extension cord. 50% more for less functionality that you got with a 2012-2015 - which had MagSafe.
Don't you carry dongles with you on the field? They would be easily ~100g for the good quality ones. I really don't understand your "200gr" argument you keep spreading around. My friend would use something like this if she need to be on the field for a long time. Drop 1 or 2 lenses will actually save you more weight then shaving off 200gr from your work machine. Try combine some of your wide angle lenses into a compact zoom, the quality is almost the same anyway.
Only an SD card reader, which is like 40 grams. Also, I'm usually only bringing two lenses on location, so dropping two lenses isn't going to happen.
Switching both primes for one fast zoom would increase weight, actually.I'm just trying to save weight wherever I can, and if Apple helps me doing so without any compromises that actually impact my workflow, I'll gladly take it. I understand that might not be the case for everyone though.
By the way, in my case, switching from a pre-retina 15" MBP to a current 13" one saves 1.2 kg, so there's obviously a huge gain when combining both slimmer redesigns into one upgrade.
Yeah it’s really lame that a premium computer company decided to take away the extension cable and make it an optional extra, if they really wanted to be Scroogey penny pinchers it would have been better for the customer to remove the plug part and keep the extension cable. Having plenty of cable length you might not need is better than not having enough, especially when you’re expected to pay £19 for the privilege of getting it back
Have you had to replace a MagSafe power adapter because the cord frayed? Or maybe your cat thought it was a tasty treat (my case)? Then you know the pain of paying $80 for completely new power supply when just a new cord would do. That’s the plus in this case. You only have to buy a new cable.
As for not including the grounded extension cable, there’s just no excuse for that in my book, although I do have extras from buying previous replacement power supplies. :/
So you switched from a quadcore + dGPU to a dualcore + iGPU with no impact on your workflow....you might as well buy a MB which is even lighter and thinner...
That is the core of the problem...people buy a MBP because is thin when Apple does the MB that would have been perfect for them.
Both lines of Apple laptops are thin and underpowered for people who value thinness over performances...
I never said I still worked on that 15" MBP - it was far too slow for anything (I still use it for some web surfing though). Also, it is a dual-core machine with a dGPU that is far inferior to the Intel Iris iGPU. Actually, I do most of my work on a maxed out 5k iMac - I don't own a newer MacBook myself just yet. I'm using a 15" one at the ad agency I'm working at. Since the current machines are only dual-core, I'm waiting for the quad-core 13" ones next year before I upgrade my private notebook (which is used heavily for photo editing, hence the need for more power).
So maybe being a full time graphic designer, doing video edits, 3D Renderings using Cinema4D, ultra high resolution visuals in Photoshop and complex layouts in InDesign for a living simply isn't what you call professional use anymore. Frankly, I'm not sure what qualifies as "professional" by these standards.
I don't see the drawbacks everyone's talking about in the current 15" MBP (and, hopefully, next years 13" MBP). Sure, the actual render work is outsourced to our render farm, but apart from that, it handles everything I throw at it with ease. And it does all that while still being thin and light. So, it's the perfect compromise for me.
Don't get me wrong, I do indeed see where you're coming from. Compared to some of the competition, the MacBook Pro series is indeed a little weak on paper, and very expensive for the performance you get. But in practical use, it's just about perfect for me.
Never said that but you said that you switched from a 15" to a 13" with no impact and did not mention the iMac and the rendering farm...
For the kind of work and software you use, a MB REAL PRO® thicker (for cooling and battery capacity) with all the needed ports and with nVidia Pascal GPU would mean that you can ditch also the iMac and use the laptop for everything...
No impact on the kind of work I do on a notebook. A multi monitor setup will always be more productive. But you might be right, having a Thunderbolt dock connected to this whole setup may render the iMac obsolete at some point.
Still, in that case, I personally would prefer to outsource as much as possible to the desk (i.e. using an eGPU, among other things) to keep the notebook as thin and light as possible. The power the current 15" MBP offers simply is enough for my current on-the-go workflow, so I do not want to give up portability for power I don't necessarily need.
However, you are right in the sense that Apple should add another top of the line notebook for the people who want even more power on the go. That's a market Apple doesn't serve currently, and it's a market I'd love to see them investing. Just keep the current MacBook Pro line - or however you wanna call it in the future - a thin, light and decently powerful notebook for me, and I'm happy.
Bingo! The crux of the problem..
The Pro line needs to separate more, not be more like the MacBook
(otherwise, what's the point beyond a Tim Cook SKU fest?)
It really is crazy.
The lines have simply converged too much…
They should have a 12" and a 14" MacBook that prioritize portability, thinness and light weight and have the 13" and 15" MBPs have quad core+ and dGPU across the lines, at least optionally, with a couple more ports.
I'm not saying make the pros into fat pigs but don't prioritize super thin and light as much as they are currently doing.
The lines have simply converged too much…
They should have a 12" and a 14" MacBook that prioritize portability, thinness and light weight and have the 13" and 15" MBPs have quad core+ and dGPU across the lines, at least optionally, with a couple more ports.
I'm not saying make the pros into fat pigs but don't prioritize super thin and light as much as they are currently doing.
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I used to think the Cube was Jobs biggest flounder. Now looks like Tim Cook is about to unseat that. I had expected Tim to be as detail driven and as demanding of quality as Jobs was, now it should be clear to everyone Tim is only driven by the profit and market. Taking away and charging $20 for the extension cord is a big FU.
Absolutely
And before anybody comments about how they did this to "reduce waste"…
Nothing is more wasteful than how Apple has turned everything into a non upgradable unfixable appliance that must be disposed when it doesn't work right.
Ehh...hmmm...
I guess it depends.
I have a 2008 and 2012 MacBook/Mini still in use around the house thanks to upgradable guts.
But how about this?
If you're buying online they optionally allow you to add the extension cord to your order for no extra cost, as it used to be, and only if you want it, thus no waste?
And in the store they will give you want if you want but only if you want...
It is not really about waste it's simply about making more money from nickel and diming
I was referring to the newest MacBook Pro’s that are entirely soldered and non upgradable. That is nice that they let you add the cable if you want it, if that’s the case I dont see why the price is an issue considering you can circumvent it entirely.
I'm confused - Are we talking past each other?
You said Appliances last longer and I replied saying that I'm still using 08 & 12 Macs, and am able to, specifically because they are not appliances that are not upgradable.
How viable do you think a 2016 MBP will be in 2023-2025 range?
(after about 12 keyboard replacements also)
I reckon it was probably something to do with their environmental commitments. Not sure a £20 cable is much of a cash grab for a company that large... I just grabbed a new one anyway, old Apple cables tend to develop that grey gunky stuff on them after a while.
Saying that however I'm curious with the socket adapter. In the UK we have great sockets, and you can stick it in the wall and it stays there. I've tried a Chinese one with it (Similar if not the same as US) and the thing just falls straight out of the wall as there's no pin retention on these things. If that's the case in the US too then you kind of need that extension cable, which does suck.
The power supply itself will stay plugged into the wall, but I prefer to ground the power supply. Plus, I have the extension cords permanently installed at home as they snake up from behind my desk and stuff. I just pop a duck head onto the adapter if I’m taking it out of my house.
So I got the macbook pro 15" 2017 last week.
I like it so far.
The keyboard is definitely better than the 2016 which my friend has and it was horrible. Still cant decide if I would still rather a keyboard with more travel. I have not typed enough. but I have a external keyboard so thats ok.
Compared to my 2014 retina things seem to work better.
Handoff and the whole continuity was always quirky on my 2014. Even after a fresh install it never seemed to always handoff. It worked on and off.
This new one works all the time. The screen is more vibrant, but my 2014 seems brighter. But I remember getting my 2014 and thinking the one before that was brighter.
im starting to wonder if the screen gets brighter over time of use? or is that just crazy talk?
Either way I never have the brightness below five notches from the top unless im outside.
The trackpad is huge. its fun but not sure if necessary.
And the touchbar… its a cute feature that isnt really used by the OS much...
But with Better Touch Tool I am able to turn it into a quick launch for apps and now I have it displaying the current song playing on spotify. So I can see how it can be helpful.
Oh and so far my hands aren't burning. Yeah thats a weird issue with me. My hands burnt when touching my 2014 and the one before that. somehow the battery is right under the keyboard and my fingers would turn red and hurt. I literally went to the doctor and got tested to see if I was allergic to aluminum. I am not kidding…
I like it so far.
The keyboard is definitely better than the 2016 which my friend has and it was horrible. Still cant decide if I would still rather a keyboard with more travel. I have not typed enough. but I have a external keyboard so thats ok.
Compared to my 2014 retina things seem to work better.
Handoff and the whole continuity was always quirky on my 2014. Even after a fresh install it never seemed to always handoff. It worked on and off.
This new one works all the time. The screen is more vibrant, but my 2014 seems brighter. But I remember getting my 2014 and thinking the one before that was brighter.
im starting to wonder if the screen gets brighter over time of use? or is that just crazy talk?
Either way I never have the brightness below five notches from the top unless im outside.
The trackpad is huge. its fun but not sure if necessary.
And the touchbar… its a cute feature that isnt really used by the OS much...
But with Better Touch Tool I am able to turn it into a quick launch for apps and now I have it displaying the current song playing on spotify. So I can see how it can be helpful.
Oh and so far my hands aren't burning. Yeah thats a weird issue with me. My hands burnt when touching my 2014 and the one before that. somehow the battery is right under the keyboard and my fingers would turn red and hurt. I literally went to the doctor and got tested to see if I was allergic to aluminum. I am not kidding…