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Philpug

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I will need to talk to my accountant if I need to make this purchase this year or next. I have access to a F&F Apple discount but I image if they do come out with the 14", those discounts usually have to wait anyway so I bet I would be close to a year out before I could get one anyway.
 

liriel_

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Hey guys, I can wait. I'd love to have Macbook Pro 14" or re-designed 13". What's your take early or late 2021? Is waiting for it worth waiting? I'd be angry if I buy a Macbook Pro with new processor produced by Apple (sorry I'm a blonde and lazy, you know what I mean) and then after a few months a complete new model arrives. I'd have to buy a new one. Will 14" be re-designed or 13" will be re-design first or likely when?
 

urbanlegend179

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I have a feeling Apple will drag their heels on the 14" MBP, with the ARM laptops around the corner for next year I can see them waiting until 2022 to introduce the 14" as a "new feature". It also takes a couple of years to iron out all the issues that will inevitably come with the move to ARM based Macbooks. Honestly, just get the 2020 10th gen 13" MBP, it's a fantastic machine.
 

limo79

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Like you said, they need to hit big, new screen, new design, not just processor transition, they definitely need the best puncher to get those users and devs to jump on board, which probably won't be that simple, even for Apple. So it's most likely 2021 spring-summer until we finally see that.

In fact Apple is so profitable company that they do not need to show anything big. Most of the time now they made a small incremental updates. From the marketing point of view it is better to show new devices before December. Assuming that COVID may have a similar impact Jan-May months are not good to present revolutionary products so we have only WWDC but it is before holidays so again not so good time to have a good sale results.

Will 14" be re-designed or 13" will be re-design first or likely when?

Even if Apple is going to make just a MBP 13" refresh this would be a great update since Tiger Lake GPU is powerful as Intel promised (only Ryzen 4800U is better in some areas). Assuming integration of TB4, WiFi controller, nice features like Wol camera, embedded audio DSP, AV1 hardware decoding it is still great platform for ultrabooks where small mainboard size is one of the key constraints.
 
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weems62

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[Updated June 22, 2020]

Starting a new "waiting" thread since the 2020 13" MBP is out.

Although I'm on a 2019 base 16", I do miss the 13" form factor when carrying the machine around the house. The smaller 13" was better for taking from the desk to the couch, or from the couch to the bed.

I seriously thought about selling the 16" and going with the 10th-gen Ice Lake 13", but I'm now leaning on waiting for either Tiger Lake or ARM, possible in a revised 14" form factor. It's also unclear whether the Touch Bar is going to remain or whether Apple will admit defeat like they did with the butterfly keyboards.

What do you guys think? What are the "must have" features for a next-generation 13" MBP? I'm thinking:

  • 14" Mini-LED display with thinner bezels in the same chassis as the current 2020 13"
  • Tiger Lake U series chip (assuming MBP stays on Intel) with 4 cores and Gen 12 Xe-based graphics
  • ARM-based Apple CPU/SoC
  • Revised webcam (1080p), Face ID as a nice-to-have
  • 4 Thunderbolt 3 / USB4 ports
  • Removal of Touch Bar / return of function keys
  • Wifi 6
As for folks who want a 16":
  • Mini-LED display
  • Tiger Lake H series chip (assuming MBP stays on Intel) with up to 10 cores and Gen 12 Xe-based graphics
  • ARM-based Apple CPU/SoC
  • AMD RDNA2 dGPU
  • Revised webcam (1080p), Face ID as a nice-to-have
  • 4 Thunderbolt 3 / USB4 ports
  • Removal of Touch Bar / return of function keys
  • Wifi 6
I suspect Apple might do a silent refresh of the 16" for 2020 with Comet Lake, but I could see them going straight to Tiger Lake Apple Silicon since Comet Lake (10th Gen H) is just a speed-bump of Coffee Lake Refresh (9th Gen H).

I think the 13 inch MacBook Pro will get refreshed again this year (base model only). It will probably feature 2 or 4 USB-C ports. If they can use thunderbolt, they'll keep two. If they stick to regular usb c then I could see them adding two more. But this updated 13 inch will definitely be getting apple silicon and wifi 6. But everything else will most likely remain the same on this initial model. I need a laptop that can handle photo editing better than my current 2019 base model MacBook Pro 13 inch, but I don't want to get an intel powered MacBook. As soon as the base model MacBook Pro gets apple silicon, I will 100% be upgrading the RAM to the max and upping the storage to at least 512 GB. 13 inch model is definitely my favorite form factor
 

gaanee

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As much as I would like to see the base MBP upgraded, it's unlikely Apple will offer both Intel and Apple Silicon MBP side-by-side allowing for direct comparison and bench marking between Intel and it's own processors.... unless Apple Silicon trounces Intel Ice/Tiger Lake in which case they will update the entire MBP line to Apple Silicon.
I think the 13 inch MacBook Pro will get refreshed again this year (base model only). It will probably feature 2 or 4 USB-C ports. If they can use thunderbolt, they'll keep two. If they stick to regular usb c then I could see them adding two more. But this updated 13 inch will definitely be getting apple silicon and wifi 6. But everything else will most likely remain the same on this initial model. I need a laptop that can handle photo editing better than my current 2019 base model MacBook Pro 13 inch, but I don't want to get an intel powered MacBook. As soon as the base model MacBook Pro gets apple silicon, I will 100% be upgrading the RAM to the max and upping the storage to at least 512 GB. 13 inch model is definitely my favorite form factor
 

GoneDrinkin

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It'd be very un-Apple for them to ship their first AS MacBooks in the same design as their Intel laptops. They would be looking to set the stage for the era to come.

This, and the latest rumours suggesting the 14" redesign is coming this year (sans miniLED) makes me have hope for it shipping at the end of the year and not the same 13" design.
 

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Philpug

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Looking at the speakers left and right of the keyboard show me that it is not a 14"
 
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limo79

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This, and the latest rumours suggesting the 14" redesign is coming this year (sans miniLED) makes me have hope for it shipping at the end of the year and not the same 13" design.

Sounds too optimistic. Apple may show new iPad Air and iWatch on Sept 15 and show new iPhones together with redesigned Macbook (ARM) or maybe Air. But we need to remember that from marketing point of view iPhone 12 is the most important hardware this year so I believe Macbook on ARM will be a small test for the market reception and will not steal a too much focus. Apple may show redesigned MBP 13 together with 16 (new design, new screen, FaceID) next year.
 

simonmet

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Guys. Next year, 2021, will be the 30th birthday of the first MacBook. Let's wait for next year.

Apple doesn’t plan its products around anniversaries (any more). The 30th anniversary of the Mac came and went with nary a peep.

I know someone holding out for the next 16” and wants another Intel model. Maybe COVID has screwed with schedules but Apple seems to be moving even slower than usual on its Mac products, unfortunately. And in recent years that has already been very slow.

Given the amount of effort they put into the iPhone annual releases, I don’t understand why MacBooks can’t get an annual update as well.
 

pttai

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Nov 30, 2018
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Apple doesn’t plan its products around anniversaries (any more). The 30th anniversary of the Mac came and went with nary a peep.

I know someone holding out for the next 16” and wants another Intel model. Maybe COVID has screwed with schedules but Apple seems to be moving even slower than usual on its Mac products, unfortunately. And in recent years that has already been very slow.

Given the amount of effort they put into the iPhone annual releases, I don’t understand why MacBooks can’t get an annual update as well.
The 2016 was huge because it marked 25th birthday. You can check the video of that event. Apple brought it up on stage.
 

pommephone

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Nov 27, 2012
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I was just about to order a new 13" MBP when I learned about what's likely coming in 2021/22. My current 13" MBP is a late-2013, 2.8 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7 with 16 GB RAM, but at 7 years old it won't be long before things are going to need repairs/replacements. I guess I'll have to hang on and see what news the new year brings.
 
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pommephone

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Uh oh. The new silicon ARM chip will not run Windows in boot camp or VM. Windows has an ARM version, but it’s not licensed (yet) for Mac. This makes my decision easier. I’ll likely buy the intel MacBook now and wait for all this to get sorted out.
 

DanMan619

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Dec 30, 2012
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Apple doesn’t plan its products around anniversaries (any more). The 30th anniversary of the Mac came and went with nary a peep.

I know someone holding out for the next 16” and wants another Intel model. Maybe COVID has screwed with schedules but Apple seems to be moving even slower than usual on its Mac products, unfortunately. And in recent years that has already been very slow.

Given the amount of effort they put into the iPhone annual releases, I don’t understand why MacBooks can’t get an annual update as well.

It's because with Mac, Apple's schedule is at the mercy of Intel chip manufacturing failures/delays. It's the reason why they're switching to ARM in the first place, so Apple can be in control of their schedule and likely will do annual updates like clockwork like they do with the iPhone.
 

limo79

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Uh oh. The new silicon ARM chip will not run Windows in boot camp or VM.

Finally :) There will be no switching (BootCamp) between two separate environments that ruins all the pleasure of using Macs. If you are using tons of Windows apps necessary to eg. engineering work there is no sense to buy a Mac especially that Windows 10 is a NIGHTMARE product created for developers itself without respecting customer basic requirements even for large companies from TOP10. Under Windows Macs have always much worse thermal management and touchpad experience was limited (not sure about touchbar).

BTW MBP 13 2020 (Ice Lake) is great machine. I hope that besides ARM upgrade they improve camera resolution and key travel (well I expect top typing experience from top product; it is better than butterfly but not good as I expected).

Also I wonder what is the sense of having Macbook, Macbook Air and Macbook Pro 13 in portfolio when MBP is so close to MBA (maybe that is why we hear rumours about MBP14 - makes more sense).
 
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simonmet

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It's because with Mac, Apple's schedule is at the mercy of Intel chip manufacturing failures/delays. It's the reason why they're switching to ARM in the first place, so Apple can be in control of their schedule and likely will do annual updates like clockwork like they do with the iPhone.

I hope so, because it doesn’t seem fair to pay full price for a year-old computer that could be updated at any point, but no one knows when. So people end up waiting, and waiting and waiting!
 
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MathChief

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I was just about to order a new 13" MBP when I learned about what's likely coming in 2021/22. My current 13" MBP is a late-2013, 2.8 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7 with 16 GB RAM, but at 7 years old it won't be long before things are going to need repairs/replacements. I guess I'll have to hang on and see what news the new year brings.
Same shoe. Yet my battery already swelled, and may not last that long :(
 

DanMan619

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I hope so, because it doesn’t seem fair to pay full price for a year-old computer that could be updated at any point, but no one knows when. So people end up waiting, and waiting and waiting!

There's basically no point in updating it at this point right before the ARM ones start coming out other than just for the sake of it because the new Intel chip, circling back to Intel's struggles, is a minor barely noticeable spec bump at most. We aren't missing out on anything really. If you bought the 2019 16" right now and a late 2020 16" with the 11th gen Intel chip came out, there'd be essentially no difference in performance CPU wise. The only thing that'd be gained is maybe Wifi 6. But judging how Apple didn't add Wifi 6 to the new 13" MBPs from earlier this year, it's looking like they're holding stuff like that back for the ARM models. It's end of the road for the Intel machines getting anything else substantial.
 
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