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Waiting for 2021 MBP
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That's ridiculous.
You walk into an apple store to buy a macbook. For you 13 inch is small and you want bigger screen. The only option is 16 inch macbook pro. But they offer you 2019 model computer.
And it is intel. So sometime later they will stop supporting it and it is already 2 years old.
Why on earth would I buy it?
November to early June is more like a year and a half. But yeah. A good 5 years ago, when Intel was still capable of developing more than rehashes of what they've already produced, a year was an infinity. Then there was a black hole of rehashes when AMD quietly but confidently picked up their slack. And now with the new AMD processors and the Apple silicon, a year and a half is an infinity again.
This time there is a chip storage so I am willing to give them time.
Arghh the choices!
My 2014 15" MBP fell off a desk last week, so to go along with the fact I can't do a zoom call and screen share, a speaker is blown I now have lines across my screen. I'm so tempted to get an M1 MBA while I wait. It'll have half the RAM and storage of my Pro but it should tide me over... Especially as I can get one for £800 GBP.
Anyone else thinking similar?
My 2014 15" MBP fell off a desk last week, so to go along with the fact I can't do a zoom call and screen share, a speaker is blown I now have lines across my screen. I'm so tempted to get an M1 MBA while I wait. It'll have half the RAM and storage of my Pro but it should tide me over... Especially as I can get one for £800 GBP.
Anyone else thinking similar?
This seems plausible
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Mini-LED Shortages Reportedly Delayed Production of Redesigned MacBook Pro Models
A shortage of mini-LED components has reportedly been the cause of delays to the production of the redesigned 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pros,...
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So, we will have a new mbp 16 till the end of 2021?
With the features we wait, it seems it will be a wonderful mbp.
With the features we wait, it seems it will be a wonderful mbp.
With that delay they better bring up an actual M2(X) and not a merely outsized M1X. Hoping for it to be on TSMC N5P rather than N5.
Issue is we still have the following to launch before June 2022…
iMac M1X - Likely October
Mac Mini M1X - Likely October 2021
MacBook Air M2 - Likely March 2022
MacBook Pro M2 - Likely March 2022
Mac Pro M2X? - Likely WWDC 2022
So if the MBP was going to launch in July, it would be very strange to just launch the MBP and talk about M1X and nothing else… Apple usually do these online events with at least 3 hardware products:
September 2020 - Apple Watch S6, Apple Watch SE, iPad Air, iPad
October 2020 - iPhone 12 mini, iPhone 12, iPhone 12 Pro, iPhone 12 Pro Max, HomePod mini
November 2020 - M1 MBP, M1 MBA, M1 Mac Mini
April 2021 - iMac, iPad Pro, AirTag, Purple iPhone 12 mini and iPhone 12, Apple TV
So it really makes no sense for Apple to have an event for the new MBP’s only unless a couple of other things are coming with it… we know it’s too early for the Mac Mini or iMac high end models… so what else could possibly be announced alongside the new MBP’s.
The only other products possible are AirPods (which since the first iteration have always been announced via press release) or an iPhone SE which I highly doubt, we could potentially get the Mac Mini earlier than expected but then that leaves the high end iMac as a standalone launch…
Also with all the features of the new MBP’s being reported I highly doubt it will be announced via a press release unless they are planning on just throwing the M1X in the current design.
iMac M1X - Likely October
Mac Mini M1X - Likely October 2021
MacBook Air M2 - Likely March 2022
MacBook Pro M2 - Likely March 2022
Mac Pro M2X? - Likely WWDC 2022
So if the MBP was going to launch in July, it would be very strange to just launch the MBP and talk about M1X and nothing else… Apple usually do these online events with at least 3 hardware products:
September 2020 - Apple Watch S6, Apple Watch SE, iPad Air, iPad
October 2020 - iPhone 12 mini, iPhone 12, iPhone 12 Pro, iPhone 12 Pro Max, HomePod mini
November 2020 - M1 MBP, M1 MBA, M1 Mac Mini
April 2021 - iMac, iPad Pro, AirTag, Purple iPhone 12 mini and iPhone 12, Apple TV
So it really makes no sense for Apple to have an event for the new MBP’s only unless a couple of other things are coming with it… we know it’s too early for the Mac Mini or iMac high end models… so what else could possibly be announced alongside the new MBP’s.
The only other products possible are AirPods (which since the first iteration have always been announced via press release) or an iPhone SE which I highly doubt, we could potentially get the Mac Mini earlier than expected but then that leaves the high end iMac as a standalone launch…
Also with all the features of the new MBP’s being reported I highly doubt it will be announced via a press release unless they are planning on just throwing the M1X in the current design.
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Well I had my MBP since 2011, so another few months is fine for me, I'm happy to wait till September if not longer.
If Apple does do a July event, it would probably be a shorter event (like 45 minutes) and include the following:
1. 14” MacBook Pro
2. 16” MacBook Pro
3. M1X Mac mini
4. Updated Intel Mac Pro
5. Consumer Pro display???
With all of those, Apple would have more than enough for a dedicated event. Especially since technical talk about the M1X could probably take up 30 minutes all on its own.
The Digitimes report today said Apple delayed the MacBook Pros from Q2 to Q3 because of the Mini LED yields. We got another report not too long ago from the mini LED manufacturer saying they have solved production issues and increased yields. If all these reports are correct then the MacBook Pros should be ready to go by now.
Q3 is from July to September. Obviously September is probably out of the question since it’s usually reserved for iPads and Apple Watch (I think AirPods are coming as well). August could be possible but they risk missing the back to school laptop sale rush. If Apple really plans to ship these things in Q3, then July makes the most sense. Not to mention, it follows Gurmans report of an early summer release.
Edit: To add extra fuel to the fire, there are several features in Mac OS 12 that are NOT available for Intel Macs… Yet another knock down to Apples flagship laptop and yet another reason to get these things out ASAP.
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I did think about that (as I traded in my 15” MBP last week) but I’ve decided to just swap out my 11” iPad Pro for a 12.9” and use that as my interim laptop.
While being based on Apple's next gen architecture would be ideal, I honestly don't think an M1 variant should leave anyone feeling shortchanged over the Intel 16". Either way it's likely to offer significantly more power, significantly better battery life, and significantly cooler/ quieter operation, not to mention the advanced technologies like machine learning, and various hardware acceleration units. You can rest assured that either way, like the M1 MacBooks, the Apple Silicon MacBook pros will be night and day to what's gone before.
Oh yes. I'm well aware that it'll be night & day, esp. since I'd be switching from a (dual-core) 2016 MBP 13" to a 10 cores MBP 14". But since it's being delayed and we're getting close to the A15 season with iPhone 13 around the corner, it'd be a tad frustrating to miss out on the new node and architecture.
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I've had this suspicion lately that the M1X is going to be a lot more than just a supped up M1 (which itself is just a supped up A14). Obviously we know the GPU will be miles ahead of what the M1 offers (especially on the 32 core version which I'm starting to think will be standard on the 16") but I'm also thinking we could see advancements on the CPU side as well. Not just more cores but better cores. Perhaps the M1X will actually preview some of the tech coming in the A15...? Anything is possible. Hopefully we won't have to wait much longer to find out.
That would be interesting to see, but new core designs would be expensive if they can't be amortised across the iPhone, iPad and several mac models. I know price/unit is less of a consideration here, but even so that seems like it would make it difficult to make the sums add up without pushing the MBPs further towards Mac Pro pricing (which I guess is possible if they expand the non pro MacBook lineup to compensate, though we've seen no evidence of that yet).
That’s an interesting idea, but if indeed we see core improvements, why not name it M2(X)? Unless Apple comes with a P1 naming scheme to differentiate the Pro line. That would make most sense to me.
Good points and of course I could be completely off. I don’t think we will see all new core designs but maybe we could see some improvements using the same 5nm design.
My thinking is the M1 (basically an A14X) is used in the MacBook Air, 13” Pro, iMac and the iPad Pro. It was designed to be a low powered chip used for casual computing needs.
The M1X (or whatever it will be called) needs to be used in one shape or form in the MacBook Pro, larger iMac and Mac Mini Pro. All of those devices (particularly the 16” MacBook Pro and larger iMac) are designed for higher end, more demanding task. I wonder if simply throwing more cores at them will be enough on its own or if Apple will do some further tweaks to the CPU (and maybe GPU as well) cores to handle the higher level task that these machines will be used for. Also to help differentiate the “Pro” machines from the casual machines. If single thread task run the same speed on the cheapest MacBook Air as they do on a top spec iMac Pro, then we have an issue. That issue can only be solved by increasing the clock speed or giving the M1X cores some sort of upgrade.
Again, I could be completely wrong on this but it’s good food for thought while we wait for a hopefully July event lol!
I think that’s right actually. In my other thread about the GPU there does seem to be evidence that a Ram upgrade from LPDDR4 to LPDDR5 could mean an enormous upgrade.
also wasn’t there reports of TSMCs 4nm chip starting production in April with a 3mo turnaround time?
that would put us in late July for a new chip. I think I’m with ya, gonna wait for a new chip. Not M1.
Seems like the M1X MBP was planned after all, then removed. On YouTube, there were tags in the live stream that indicate an M1X macbook pro:
https://www.musictech.net/news/gear/apple-alleged-leak-mx1-macbook-pro/
https://www.musictech.net/news/gear/apple-alleged-leak-mx1-macbook-pro/