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I’m still holding out for a July / August event since Gurman specified a debut in the summer.
Me too.
I feel that statistics is a good and easy I’d you’re looking for patterns to find out what could happen in the future but if you’re seriously looking for patterns there would have to be more parameters included unless you’re just looking to place a good guess for something (in this situation we’re all guessing and it’s not even much more we could do).
I’m saying it’s a lot going on in this very moment so even if it’s very likely for Apple to release the new MacBook Pro’s in the fall or even winter I feel that these three parameters makes it just as likely as it’s not:
- Covid-situation
- Apple Silicon transition (and being more than midway through it, if Tim’s countdown started WWDC20)
- Over 1,5 years since the 16” launched/updated.

I therefore believe it would be quite dumb for Apple to wait any longer than they have to now that the M1 excitement Is fading and it’s not as new and shiny anymore.
I guess most of us waiting the MBP release to be sooner than fall are expecting M1X or whatever it will be called and I am too but I would not be very surprised if Apple actually releases an M2X (What would be the equivalent to M1 X-successor/M1X gen2, that they skipped the M1X and just went away and have worked on the M2X as soon as they could) but as I’ve mentioned before I have very little processor-dev knowledge so it’s just a hunch. I just remember most arguments against this is that Apple’s most important product is the iPhone and that M1 (A14X) is based on the A14.

I’m just thinking and saying tgar maybe iPhone stays the most important product but that the team is instead working on the Mac-Silicon to make sure this transition really blows most people’s mind and problems are at a minimum (even if the team goes back to working on the A-series chips after the transition, or whatever). Since WWDC didn’t really reveal any big news that would mean that the A15/iPhone-chip will have to be making big advances in performance or efficiency maybe that could be a sign of this. I just don’t think that old patterns have to mean anything these days until we go back to normal and are through the AS-transition.

Anyway, I was mostly going to say that A14 might already be done and same for M2 and M2X because Apple can of course launch a product with a chip “newer” than the chip in the iPhone, because iPhone release is fall no matter what and I don’t think they will do a summer release after just 8 or even 10 months just because their chip is done or even the whole phone. They have nothing to gain out of speeding up the iPhone releases, is even as far as saying that it’s kind of an issue iPhone release are even once a year, and I think we see it in less and less fun / useful functions (talking amount now) being implemented but now that they established that pattern and they have competitors doing the same or even releasing it more often they can’t really change the direction unless they can reinvent the whole thing or such, or they can because their Apple but they probably know it will hurt their business or maybe rather their share holders (which might be less than happy about it). Maybe I’m even talking against myself here saying it’s hard for them to break patterns but I’m also saying they kind of reinvented the MacBook with AS-chips inside so now it’s no longer a radiator with a computer-function bur just a computer.

I’m probably way of with my thought and this “theory”, it’s just a hunch I haven’t been able to shake, I might not be very good in explaining why I even have a slight belief in that this might happen and I kind of blame that on writing this on a iPhone that is too unresponsive (only when writing on Macrumors and some other forum) to type at my preferred tempo and English not being my mother tongue amount other things. I also feel like remember that Apple almost always disappoint so it’s good to set your expectations high! That way it’s likelier that the next best thing (the most likely thing) happens than the third best thing (like Apple putting the M1 but with just 2 extra GPU cores in it).

Wow this post is almost nothing about what I was going to post about, a well.
Sorry for the long yadayada. I’m just really hoping for a new MBP in the next two months, and even more so hoping we’ll be a bit impressed and preferably both in performance and price (if it wasn’t for my 3D modeling hobby I could use a MB Air for my music production but I prefer to keep my next computer for a few years so I’m thinking it’s better spend some more and hope it’s worth the cost and that I make that money back in not too long time. Ops yada yada.

Okay so what was it I wanted to say, right. I believe it’s not too unlikely Apple will let WWDC sink in and then announce a new event in a few weeks, for the new products (maybe not just MBP but also Intel-equivalent Mac mini and the two MBP sizes. Maybe also the bigger iMac but I feel that one is more likely this fall though for some reason).
I realize they might have postponed it all though (maybe thr MBP’s was meant to launch WWDC..) and make an event for them all early this fall and It’s really just guesswork but I really have hope for Mark Gurman and I hope the other rumors have bearing and mean something because wow I need a new computer not only yesterday but even last year....
 
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How much memory?

I'm currently using a 2014 MBP 15" which, in terms of horsepower, is working just fine. However, the battery performance has dropped way off, and the 512GB SSD is quite full. Plus, we just learned that the 2014 MBPs won't be able to run Monterey. It's time for a new machine, and I'm eyeing the upcoming MBP 16".

My current machine has 16GB RAM, which seems entirely adequate. Buuut, I'd love for this next Mac to last just as long as my current one has. I'll double the disk to 1TB. Should I also double the RAM to futureproof it? About the only thing I stress the machine with is photo imports, but those are relatively infrequent, and I don't care if it takes 15 minutes or 45. Otherwise, I really only want the pro so I can get the larger screen.

Thanks....
 
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I’m still holding out for a July / August event since Gurman specified a debut in the summer.
I'm kinda in the same boat too here, if only for the fact that waiting till oct/november means the current 16" would be 2 years old which seems like a long time to not touch it. Although they did something way worse with the trashcan mac pro so who knows..
How much memory?

I'm currently using a 2014 MBP 15" which, in terms of horsepower, is working just fine. However, the battery performance has dropped way off, and the 512GB SSD is quite full. Plus, we just learned that the 2014 MBPs won't be able to run Monterey. It's time for a new machine, and I'm eyeing the upcoming MBP 16".

My current machine has 16GB RAM, which seems entirely adequate. Buuut, I'd love for this next Mac to last just as long as my current one has. I'll double the disk to 1TB. Should I also double the RAM to futureproof it? About the only thing I stress the machine with is photo imports, but those are relatively infrequent, and I don't care if it takes 15 minutes or 45. Otherwise, I really only want the pro so I can get the larger screen.

Thanks....
The historical response is that if you have to ask, you dont need that much memory. Based on your description of what youre gonna do with the computer, I personally wouldn't think its necessary, but extra ram never hurts.
 
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I'm currently using a 2014 MBP 15" which, in terms of horsepower, is working just fine. However, the battery performance has dropped way off, and the 512GB SSD is quite full. Plus, we just learned that the 2014 MBPs won't be able to run Monterey.
The battery can be replaced and the SSD upgraded. Also Monterey should be able to be run on it even though unsupported. There’s a whole thread about running Mac OS 12 Monterey on unsupported Macs. Big Sur should still get security updates for a bit over 2 years.

I replaced the 512GB SSD in my machine with a 2TB one a bit over a year ago. I probably need a new battery and trackpad. Will need to see how much a repair shop would charge and go from there.
 
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14” 10 core CPU 14 core GPU 512GB SSD starting from ~$1799
14” 10 core CPU 16 core GPU 1TB SSD starting from ~$2099
16” 10 core CPU 28 core GPU 512GB SSD starting from ~$2399
16” 10 core CPU 32 core GPU 1TB SSD starting from ~$2799
Both 14” and 16” gets Mini-LED as standard
What are your thoughts about the pricing?
Dont expect more than 2 options for the gpu cores
 
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Dont expect more than 2 options for the gpu cores
  • 16 CPU and 10 GPUs ("JadeC-Chop") +32/+64 GB DDR5 RAM +2/+4/+8 TB SSD
  • 32 CPU and 10 GPUs ("JadeC") +64/+128 GB DDR5 RAM +4/+8 TB SSD
  • 64 CPU and 20 GPUs ("Jade2C") +128/+256 GB DDR5 RAM +8/+16 TB SSD
  • 128 CPU and 40 GPUs ("Jade 4C") +256/+512 GB DDR5 RAM +16/+32 TB SSD
The competitors will come with DDR5 RAM and 8 TB SSD this year. = Apple can’t stay behind.
 
16GB is more than enough RAM for most people. Only those who perform very RAM-heavy workloads will need more (e.g., editing 4K+ video).
What I have learned from the most people is: It’s never enough.
I know even people which still have since the old days 64 GB DDR3 and a lot people with 256 GB DDR4.
 
16GB is more than enough RAM for most people. Only those who perform very RAM-heavy workloads will need more (e.g., editing 4K+ video).
I had decided years ago that I would get at least 32 GB of RAM in my next Mac but just as you say, most people doesn’t need more than 16 GB and I’ve realized I’m one of those (that does not have a need for more than 16 GB).

I’ve actually known that for a while now but thought I better future proof but I’ve changed my stand on it and decided it all depends on Apple’s upgrade prices. Worst case scenario I might have to upgrade earlier if my RAM amount becomes an issue.

What I meant to say was that I either advise everyone still confused about RAM to just l check their activity monitor a few times, are you close? Otherwise you might as me, realize that it might be a waste of money. Btw I’m doing music production and 3D modeling but my music production consists of 99% real instruments and recordings of them and therefore I might not have as much RAM use as the standard user but I’m usually under 10 GB of used RAM.
Which was a bit chocking when I realized but obviously right.

If Apples upgrade prices are slightly sane I’ll however get myself the extra RAM because I’d like some headroom and I am planning on going a bit more in the box with at least some more high quality plugins which will obviously raise my RAM use a bit.
 
Wow Razer definitely just gave Apple some competition with the new Razer Blade 14. 14" screen, AMD CPU and up to 3080m GPU for the same $1799 price...

Let's see what Apple has in store for us with the M1X.
 
Me too.
I feel that statistics is a good and easy I’d you’re looking for patterns to find out what could happen in the future but if you’re seriously looking for patterns there would have to be more parameters included unless you’re just looking to place a good guess for something (in this situation we’re all guessing and it’s not even much more we could do).
I’m saying it’s a lot going on in this very moment so even if it’s very likely for Apple to release the new MacBook Pro’s in the fall or even winter I feel that these three parameters makes it just as likely as it’s not:
- Covid-situation
- Apple Silicon transition (and being more than midway through it, if Tim’s countdown started WWDC20)
- Over 1,5 years since the 16” launched/updated.

I therefore believe it would be quite dumb for Apple to wait any longer than they have to now that the M1 excitement Is fading and it’s not as new and shiny anymore.
I guess most of us waiting the MBP release to be sooner than fall are expecting M1X or whatever it will be called and I am too but I would not be very surprised if Apple actually releases an M2X (What would be the equivalent to M1 X-successor/M1X gen2, that they skipped the M1X and just went away and have worked on the M2X as soon as they could) but as I’ve mentioned before I have very little processor-dev knowledge so it’s just a hunch. I just remember most arguments against this is that Apple’s most important product is the iPhone and that M1 (A14X) is based on the A14.

I’m just thinking and saying tgar maybe iPhone stays the most important product but that the team is instead working on the Mac-Silicon to make sure this transition really blows most people’s mind and problems are at a minimum (even if the team goes back to working on the A-series chips after the transition, or whatever). Since WWDC didn’t really reveal any big news that would mean that the A15/iPhone-chip will have to be making big advances in performance or efficiency maybe that could be a sign of this. I just don’t think that old patterns have to mean anything these days until we go back to normal and are through the AS-transition.

Anyway, I was mostly going to say that A14 might already be done and same for M2 and M2X because Apple can of course launch a product with a chip “newer” than the chip in the iPhone, because iPhone release is fall no matter what and I don’t think they will do a summer release after just 8 or even 10 months just because their chip is done or even the whole phone. They have nothing to gain out of speeding up the iPhone releases, is even as far as saying that it’s kind of an issue iPhone release are even once a year, and I think we see it in less and less fun / useful functions (talking amount now) being implemented but now that they established that pattern and they have competitors doing the same or even releasing it more often they can’t really change the direction unless they can reinvent the whole thing or such, or they can because their Apple but they probably know it will hurt their business or maybe rather their share holders (which might be less than happy about it). Maybe I’m even talking against myself here saying it’s hard for them to break patterns but I’m also saying they kind of reinvented the MacBook with AS-chips inside so now it’s no longer a radiator with a computer-function bur just a computer.

I’m probably way of with my thought and this “theory”, it’s just a hunch I haven’t been able to shake, I might not be very good in explaining why I even have a slight belief in that this might happen and I kind of blame that on writing this on a iPhone that is too unresponsive (only when writing on Macrumors and some other forum) to type at my preferred tempo and English not being my mother tongue amount other things. I also feel like remember that Apple almost always disappoint so it’s good to set your expectations high! That way it’s likelier that the next best thing (the most likely thing) happens than the third best thing (like Apple putting the M1 but with just 2 extra GPU cores in it).

Wow this post is almost nothing about what I was going to post about, a well.
Sorry for the long yadayada. I’m just really hoping for a new MBP in the next two months, and even more so hoping we’ll be a bit impressed and preferably both in performance and price (if it wasn’t for my 3D modeling hobby I could use a MB Air for my music production but I prefer to keep my next computer for a few years so I’m thinking it’s better spend some more and hope it’s worth the cost and that I make that money back in not too long time. Ops yada yada.

Okay so what was it I wanted to say, right. I believe it’s not too unlikely Apple will let WWDC sink in and then announce a new event in a few weeks, for the new products (maybe not just MBP but also Intel-equivalent Mac mini and the two MBP sizes. Maybe also the bigger iMac but I feel that one is more likely this fall though for some reason).
I realize they might have postponed it all though (maybe thr MBP’s was meant to launch WWDC..) and make an event for them all early this fall and It’s really just guesswork but I really have hope for Mark Gurman and I hope the other rumors have bearing and mean something because wow I need a new computer not only yesterday but even last year....

Apple will not be announcing any new Mac products in the summer. It just doesn't fit in with their recent sales model. The Back to School sale will probably start tomorrow or in early July and Apple will not want to jeopardize those sales with the release of new Macs. These new Macs are for sure coming after the sale ends in October.
 
Apple will not be announcing any new Mac products in the summer. It just doesn't fit in with their recent sales model. The Back to School sale will probably start tomorrow or in early July and Apple will not want to jeopardize those sales with the release of new Macs. These new Macs are for sure coming after the sale ends in October.
I’d say anything is possible at this point. The April event didn’t necessarily fall into their usual sales model either. We have seen Apple launch new Macs in July after a WWDC before. I believe in 2017. If they really are launching in October it would be pretty odd to launch them with an A14 based M1X.

Not to mention, there’s been quite a bit of evidence pointing (battery registration is key evidence) to these MacBook Pros being far enough into production to possibly ship by July (I compiled a few in a post a couple plages back). I just can’t think of any reason Apple would purposely have these things sitting around in warehouses for 3-4 months…

I think we will get a short and sweet July event. Maybe even in person. MacBook Pros, M1X Mac Mini, Consumer Pro display.
 
I’d say anything is possible at this point. The April event didn’t necessarily fall into their usual sales model either. We have seen Apple launch new Macs in July after a WWDC before. I believe in 2017. If they really are launching in October it would be pretty odd to launch them with an A14 based M1X.

Not to mention, there’s been quite a bit of evidence pointing (battery registration is key evidence) to these MacBook Pros being far enough into production to possibly ship by July (I compiled a few in a post a couple plages back). I just can’t think of any reason Apple would purposely have these things sitting around in warehouses for 3-4 months…

I think we will get a short and sweet July event. Maybe even in person. MacBook Pros, M1X Mac Mini, Consumer Pro display.
The April event was plausible as we were expecting a spring event, and Apple has historically done an April event before. July just seems very unlikely to me, considering Apple already delivered a summer event, and they've never done a July event before.

Anything is possible given the evidence we've all been seeing, but I'm going be conservative with my expectations and say we shouldn't expect anything until October.
 
I might be repeating myself in this thread — hard to keep track of all the “next MBP” threads — but there’s no way Apple is going to release Monterey before its best MBPs can fully run it. If Monterey isn’t due out until Oct. or Nov., then maybe we won’t see new MBPs until then. But if Monterey’s ETA is Sept., then it seems like a sure thing we’ll have new Macs by then.
 
Apple will not be announcing any new Mac products in the summer. It just doesn't fit in with their recent sales model. The Back to School sale will probably start tomorrow or in early July and Apple will not want to jeopardize those sales with the release of new Macs. These new Macs are for sure coming after the sale ends in October.
I plan on replacing my 2011 MacBook Air with a 14" MBP. When was the 2011 MBA released? July. Yes, that was a decade ago, but the timing of the iPhone release and back-to-school sale has not changed.
 
I plan on replacing my 2011 MacBook Air with a 14" MBP. When was the 2011 MBA released? July. Yes, that was a decade ago, but the timing of the iPhone release and back-to-school sale has not changed.
They do sometimes make new products ineligible for the Back to School Promo if they are released too close to it or during the promo. I don't recall if that was the case with the 2011 MBA.

Edit: spelling.
 
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They do sometimes make new products ineligible for the Back to School Promo if they are released to close to it or during the promo. I don't recall if that was the case with the 2011 MBA.
Yes you’re right, I remember this happening before too. Can’t remember when exactly, but it 100% has happened.
 
If supply of the new iMac remains constrained I could certainly see that perhaps being excluded from the promo this year. No need to encourage people to buy what they can't make enough of already.

So perhaps they will want to release the new MBP and make a rare exception to usual practice of not releasing during July. We will see.
 
The April event was plausible as we were expecting a spring event, and Apple has historically done an April event before. July just seems very unlikely to me, considering Apple already delivered a summer event, and they've never done a July event before.

Anything is possible given the evidence we've all been seeing, but I'm going be conservative with my expectations and say we shouldn't expect anything until October.
Last fall we saw three events so, why not a july event?
 
They do sometimes make new products ineligible for the Back to School Promo if they are released too close to it or during the promo. I don't recall if that was the case with the 2011 MBA.

Edit: spelling.
Not denying that they sometimes take that approach, but that wasn't the case with the 2011 MBA.
 
In terms of proof, we have the following:

1. The battery specs have already been filed with the Chinese regulatory database

2. TSMT has resolved some technical difficulties with its part in the mini-LED display production. Yields have increased to 95%.

3. Leaked schematics for the 14” from a partner manufacturing company. Leaked schematics for the new iMac match the new model exactly giving some credibility to the leaked MacBook Pro schematics.

4. Recent report from Apple suppliers that Apple plans to ship the MacBook Pro in Q3 which also matched Mark Gurmans claims of an early summer release.

5. Report of large scale production of M1X back in April. We got a similar report for the M1 back in September which turned up in the MacBook Air, 13” Pro and Mac Mini in November. If timing stays current, Apple should have enough M1X chips on hand for an initial launch supply as of this month.

Of course none of this is hard evidence but taking all of them into account points to these machines being very far into production and possibly nearly ready to ship out. As I said in another post, the battery specs being registered is a pretty big deal! Since the battery needs to be able to fit into the final casing and needs to be able to support all of the chips, fans, screen, etc. having the battery specs finalized means there’s a very good chance everything else has been finalized and sent to manufacturing partners. I HIGHLY doubt that anything this far along will just sit there until November…

There have been rumors of a July 20th event which is starting to sounds more and more likely. In fact for all the hype around WWDC, if we look back at all the rumors and leaks, it would seem that everything was pointing to July all along. We just discounted it since Apple doesn’t usually do a July event… but Apple has no obligation to always do things the same way.
All good points… BUT…

1. The iPhone batteries were also listed before the Mac ones, so therefore still a lot of potential it will come after the iPhone event.

2. This all depends whether they have produced enough already…

3. There is a good chance that is the MBP design, but if I remember rightly they first blackmailed the money out of said company who basically refused, then they had to approach apple for the ransom, if this was an upcoming design, the manufacturing company didn’t seem bothered they had the schematics for it, so there is every possibility it was just merely a prototype…

4. There have been leaks for both Q3 launch but also plenty of a late 2021 launch, in regards to Mark Gurmans report he said ‘as early as this summer’ not ‘early summer’ meaning he released the article like this as a sort of, ‘yeah all being well Apple could launch them as early as this summer, but nothing is set in stone’ sort of comment.

5. I am pretty sure that was a report of the M2 chip set to be launched in a redesign MBA and entry level Pro in late 2021 early 2022.
 
4. There have been leaks for both Q3 launch but also plenty of a late 2021 launch, in regards to Mark Gurmans report he said ‘as early as this summer’ not ‘early summer’ meaning he released the article like this as a sort of, ‘yeah all being well Apple could launch them as early as this summer, but nothing is set in stone’ sort of comment.

The exact verbiage was “as soon as early this summer.”
 
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I'm a glass half-full kind of guy, and can see the positive side to this:

1) If the new MBPs are pushed out to Autumn then there is far more chance that they will be based on a newer (faster) core technology (that may have common design elements with the A15, also expected at the same time).

I had told myself that I wouldn't buy an "M1X" (upscaled M1) and would wait for the second-generation designs, which historically have had a significant boost in performance (think original iPad, Apple Watch and first Intel MacBook Pro). Come to think of it I have a pattern here - I bought an iPad 2, Apple Watch 2 and the Intel Core Duo 2007 MBP - all of which were the second generation of the device...might as well keep the trend going!

2) I own an MBP16 bough in November 2019 and was bit disappointed that this would be superseded so quickly by a new Apple Silicon version in July. The current M1 Macs solidly beat it in single-core and modestly in multi-core performance, but they fall short in GPU performance and memory capacity (I have 32GB). I will upgrade the machine if the replacement is a solid 50%-plus better across the board, which is likely to be the case with even a new 14" MBP. The delay will give my MBP16 a longer service-life as "top dog", and delay the point at which I feel the inclination to upgrade.
This is me too! I have the 16" 2019 MBP i9 chip with 32gb ram and 2tb ssd. Do you think that despite Apple optimizing M1 chips that this machine will last a good 3-4 years still? I'm torn between selling it now and getting an M1 to be future proof software wise
 
Might mean nothing, but as seen on the front page, Amazon is selling the 512 GB M1 MBP for $199 off, which matches the lowest-ever price. Could possibly align with the speculation that the 13-inch will be discontinued when the 14s and 16s arrive.
 
July or August makes the most sense. Zone of Tech just did a good video about the timing if everything.

As I’ve said many times, the proof is pointing to these things being very far into production. The leak from those hackers was actually from one of Apples manufacturing partners. So it wouldn’t be a prototype if it’s being given to an outside manufacturing company. It would have to be the final design ready for mass production. We also know the M1X has been in mass production since April. I truly believe the only holdup is the mini LED panels of which we have multiple reports saying production issues have been solved and have been solved long enough for a decent first shipment.

Where’s there’s smoke there’s fire as they say… and the smoke alarms sure are going off.
 
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