Nah, the 5k iMac resolution is 5120*3840 @ 218ppi. The 16" is @ 226ppi, but eyeball are usually closer on laptops.
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Nah, the 5k iMac resolution is 5120*3840 @ 218ppi. The 16" is @ 226ppi, but eyeball are usually closer on laptops.
yes but in native retina mode my display res is half that.
So the 16" rez mention is also half 3072‑by‑1920 in normal retina mode?
I have been hoping for this since they switched out the default scaling with the 2016s, true retina integer scaling looks a lot nicer, but the 1440x900 (or 16” equivalent) effective resolution wastes much of the extra screen space afforded by a 15/16”. When the display is a big selling point I don’t think you should have to choose between these two things!
I’m not sure whether they will on rounded corners, but that’s the way if you want maximum screen for the laptop’s footprint. At this point is ProMotion a given as well? Evidently Apple can source mLED panels that support it…
by default it's not 2X any more like it was years ago. 16" defaults to 1792 x 1120 working resolution, giving more space with slight penalty to clarity.
This is why I highly doubt Apple will ship these with Monterey.
Fully agree! Also when it comes to thermals we can make some loose assumptions based on the leaked M1X Mac Mini design. We can see that Apple has not only made it slimmer but they have also moved the vent from the back to the bottom… With the only air gap coming from the small space provided by the 2 rubber feet.
This shows me that Apple is pretty confident that these things will stay cool. If that translates to the laptops, we will have something much more comfortable to use than the Intel Hotbook Pros we have now.
It's going to be weird to have a powerhouse notebook that does not go into full DYSON Vacuum mode the minute I start watching a youtube video.
ProMotion would be great but I’m expecting that to be on the M2X/M3X. Apple could have done ProMotion but it would just create to much of an upgrade.
Great. Please wait. More chances for the rest of us to nab one!
These machines are the biggest change to Macs since 2016 with a brand new 14 inch and 2 years since the last 16 inch. These machines will fly off the shelves and the waiting times will grow very quickly. So if you do want one, then just jump in. If you don't need one, but would like one, then wait.
Plus we will get all the morally dubious people who buy two machines and send one back.
They will be released after Monterey is released or at the same time??? If that is the case, I can't see Apple not having it preinstalled. If prior then that's a different story, but you'd imagine the release of these machines may coincide with the release of the new Mac OS.
This has been discussed in about six threads already, but there’s not much history of Apple forcing buyers to use the very first release of a new OS.
Then why did you bring it up? Anyway, I think you're wrong and will be proven wrong. No harm in that though. We've all made incorrect guesses on a rumor site.
Last year was the first time it was released in November for a long time and that just happened to coincide with M1 Macbooks.
I didn’t bring it up. Someone else did.
Regardless, how would Apple benefit by forcing people to use Monterey instead of Big Sur?
Increased Monterey adoption.
it will ship with it bet on it.
it will ship with it bet on it.
Nah, reckon you brought it up.
You seem concerned about Apple forcing you to do something that seems normal (to me), so probably your best course of action is to wait and see how it all plays out for the first few months. Let us fools jump on first and have all the issues!
It’s not that hard to follow the thread back. Someone else mentioned early OS releases tend to be buggy and often avoided by many users, which is why I said I doubt new MBPs will ship with Monterey.
Regardless, if it’s “normal” for Apple to require buyers of ~$3,000 machines to use the very first version of a new OS, I’m sure you could name three instances of that happening with MBPs over the years. Thanks in advance.
Looking at Apples position it makes much more sense to sell the MacBook Pro 16-inch this time for a lower price.
I’m thinking about 500€ cheaper and the All-in version 1000 € cheaper.
=15% less money, but much more old and new buyers so maybe only 5% less money.
1. Apple will still earn a lot of money and have a big win at the end.
2. Apple will crash the market and the competitors.
3. Apple will get much more new buyers and much better publicity.
4. The new buyers will buy Apple products next time again and also other Apple products and not Samsung, Windows...
I’m thinking about 500€ cheaper and the All-in version 1000 € cheaper.
=15% less money, but much more old and new buyers so maybe only 5% less money.
1. Apple will still earn a lot of money and have a big win at the end.
2. Apple will crash the market and the competitors.
3. Apple will get much more new buyers and much better publicity.
4. The new buyers will buy Apple products next time again and also other Apple products and not Samsung, Windows...
I’ve been using the dev beta since day 1 and everything has been pretty smooth. No issue, no lag.
Pricing will be interesting... Particularly sense this release drastically changes the relationship between the $1799 14" (13") and the $2399 16". In past years, moving up to even the base model 16" (15") got you a major jump in CPU and GPU power as well as the larger screen and better speakers compared to the $1799 13". For this release, both the 14" and 16" will use the same M1X. Unless Apple modifies the M1X in some way, like lowering the clock speed for the 14", chances are that the 14" and 16" will offer the same CPU power. This year, more than any other year, Apple will really have to put more into the 16" to help justify the extra $600. This is why I personally believe the 32 core GPU will be exclusive to the 16" as standard while the 14" models will get the 16 core.
Having a cheaper $1999 16" would be awesome but I think Apple will keep prices as they are now.
Having a cheaper $1999 16" would be awesome but I think Apple will keep prices as they are now.
They weren't speculating on Monterey being installed with these machines or not. That was you. Then when I replied to your opinion with a different opinion you advised me this had already been discussed in 6 other threads.
No, I can't name 3 times this has happened. Can you? It's your argument!
It certainly didn't happen last year with the M1. And you'd expect the same thing to happen this year. But, who knows. My money is on Mac OS Monterey being pre-installed as we aren't getting these machines until Oct/Nov.
Imagine Apple releasing these new Macs with the old OS while the new OS is out! haha. How long does that go on for? 1 month? 2 months? 6 months? Only if the computers are released prior to the OS will we get them with Big Sur.
What you want and what will happen aren't always going to align. I get it, you're worried about a potentially buggy OS being installed on these machines. Again, if this is a concern to you, then don't buy immediately. Wait a few months. You have a choice.
I think you're right about the 16 v 32 core GPU. Otherwise there just isn't enough to justify the price difference. Sure the 16" will have a bigger screen, bigger battery and better speakers, but beyond the GPU what else can they do that is different? Will they artificially make the 16" more expensive by starting the storage and Ram at a higher level than the 14"?
I cannot wait for ANY new Macbook. My 2013 rMBP is on its last legs.
An M1 MacBook Air runs circles around my current device!
An M1 MacBook Air runs circles around my current device!
Huh? You’re the one who opined that it was “normal” for Apple to force buyers of a ~$3,000 pro machine to use the very first release of a new OS.
Sorry. I misread your reply. You used "that" so I thought you were referring to your argument in the previous paragraph. I should have read more carefully.😓
But as I wrote above, Apple released Big Sur with M1 macs last year. So yeah, Apple have done this in the past 12 months. The pro moniker is irrelevant here. Can you point to a time when a computer and OS were released at the same time and the new OS wasn't on the new computer? (in the free OS era). You wanting them to release the old OS on a new computer while the new OS is out is simply not going to happen.
Your argument is based on your opinion. It's like you're arguing the Earth is flat with no proof and then expect others to prove it isn't.
This seems like a whole lot of words to distract from the fact that you apparently can’t name a bunch of times when Apple forced buyers of its pro machines to use the very first release of a new OS, which was my simple question to you 12 hours ago.
But anyway, why would Apple want people to delay buying $3,000 machines instead of shipping the machines with a version of the OS Apple will continue to update and support for years to come?
EDIT: Unless Monterey is ready 6 to 8 weeks faster than Big Sur was last year, this whole debate seems likely to be moot.
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