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Waiting for 2021 MBP
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No price increase for either model.
1TB HD standard on the 16, but with only 16 GPU cores.
32Gram max.
Mmm... decent entry level, but maxing these out + tax + AC+ is gonna cost the same as a deposit on a house!
All else being equal I think I’d rather they left entry storage as 512GB and took £200 equivalent value off the price (probably meaning starting at around £1,999 ($2,199) after updating the exchange rate too). It annoyed me when the entry storage was 256GB on a £2.5K laptop, but I can work with 512GB fine. The price of admission on the 16” is high considering it’s their only full sized laptop, and massive overkill for office type use.
I now have adequate external storage to use so 1TB is more of a ‘nice to have’, and to be honest I can’t fit everything onto a 1TB drive now, so if external storage is going to be necessary anyway…
Yeah, now would be perfect.
I wonder how much the extra 16 GPU cores is gonna cost? Isn't the extra core on the MBA about 70 bucks? ... Ouch! Surely not 500 bucks! hoping for 200. haha! As if!!! It's Apple!
Would be great if that video was wrong and 32 comes standard on the 16.
Thanks for posting! I’m definitely skeptical about this one… Saranbyte has some good content but at the end of the day, he is just repeating the same rumors we see on this site, 9to5 and rumors from the other tech youtubers. In this video he claims to have received info from an unknown leaker but even he seems skeptical and I have yet to see any of this info being repeated by any of the other tech YouTubers or tech blogs (which is kinda telling because usually when one person gets a big exclusive, they will all jump on board). Also kinda odd that this “leaker” didn’t contact one of the larger tech rumor youtube channels like John Prosser or Luke Miani. So definitely lots of grains of salt for me but a cool video nonetheless.
That being said, based on Apples history, memory cost and where the 14” and 16” fit into the Apple ecosystem, here’s the specs I’m expecting:
14”: 16 core GPU, 512gb SSD, 16gb RAM
16”: 32 core GPU, 512gb SSD, 16gb RAM
I could be completely wrong but here’s my thinking. Having a 1tb SSD standard on the 16” would be really cool but it’s not something I could see Apple doing. Even the $5000 Mac Pro only comes with a 256gb SSD by default. In today’s tech world, having 1tb built in is still considered luxury territory and it’s pretty rare to have any laptop come standard with it. Especially as Apple is trying to push their iCloud service. Apple has been known to be stingy when it comes to SSD storage so if Apples competitors aren’t even offering 1tb standard, I doubt they will.
On the GPU side, the 16” has always differentiated itself from the smaller MacBook Pros by its much better GPU performance given by its dedicated GPU. For Apple silicon, we are moving into universal integrated GPUs but I still think Apple will keep the 16” as it’s higher performance laptop in the lineup. Having a 16 core GPU as the base for the 14” and 16” means there is no difference in graphics performance between the 2 machines. Not to mention, the 16 core GPU is estimated to give performance equivalent to a mid spec 2019 16”… which is almost 2 years old. I just can’t see Apple charging $600 more for a machine that offers the same performance as their $1799 14” and only gives a slight graphics boost compared to the 2 year old model it’s replacing.
Makes a lot more sense to have the 32 core GPU standard on the 16” with the usual 512gb SSD. That’s just my .2 cents. I could certainly be wrong. Luckily we should have some more credible leaks as we get closer to release.
Didn't realise that was the case. No way I'm settling for 16 core GPU now.
32 C GPU and 2 TB HD. Now just to decide if 16Gram or 32...
It‘s quite obvious Apple has to give the base 16“ something if they want to keep selling it for 600 USD more than the base 14“. From a customer perspective, I would guess that more potential 16“ buyers could use 1 TB (vs. 512 GB) than would really want/need a 32 core GPU (vs. 16 cores). So from Apple‘s perspective it would probably make sense to make the 32 core GPU standard and charge for the step to 1 TB.
Weren’t there a lot of reports about crazy overwrite rates killing SSD life expectancy within the past year? Maybe Apple is trying to build in a solution.
My 2016’s SSD died without warning in late May.
Yep 16 core is good but certainly not enough for most people coming from a 2019 16”. Although it would be a great upgrade for the 14” model. Here’s the current estimates:
16 Core GPU: Equivalent to mid range 2019 16” GPU option (5500m). In Nvidia talk, we are in the ballpark of the GTX 1650m. Okay for a $1799 laptop but absolutely unreasonable for a $2399 laptop in 2021.
32 Core GPU: Equivalent to Nvidia RTX 3070m. That puts the 16” more in line with the competition.
Power draw wise, they are estimating somewhere near 20w for the 16 core and around 40w for the 32 core. This makes sense considering the 16” will have more cooling capability as well as a larger battery.
For these reasons, I’m thinking 16 core for the 14” and 32 core for the 16” assuming Apple keeps the 16” positioned as it’s “high end” laptop. I could also see a possibility of Apple having a binned version of the 16 core and 32 core. So maybe the base model 14” has a 12 or 14 core GPU upgradable to 16 and the 16” comes standard with a 24 core upgradable to 32.
Yeah that was back when the M1 was still pretty new. As far as I know, the issue was fixed back in February or March. By the time the new iMac came out, it was ironed out and I haven’t seen any reports complaining about it sense then.
i think the mac mini will come this year, so probably with the macbooks pro
is it possible a maxed-out MacBook pro might come in a little lower price this time around.
I think the RAM GPU upgrade will be combined and not be as costly as it is currently due to the SOC.
And a 2TB - 8TB drive can't cost the same as it was the last 2 years.
Plus if the based model is 1TB that will rachet down the cost of adding a bigger SSD.
Agree?
I think the RAM GPU upgrade will be combined and not be as costly as it is currently due to the SOC.
And a 2TB - 8TB drive can't cost the same as it was the last 2 years.
Plus if the based model is 1TB that will rachet down the cost of adding a bigger SSD.
Agree?
it goes to show how bad things are on the intel side of things. people still rather wait after a dissapointing june-wwdc in that regard not knowing when new devices will actually be announced, than make a switch to a windows-intel computer.
These estimates don’t seem right to me, the M1 is already comparable to a GTX 1050Ti, and a 1650 mobile is only a 30-40% gain over that. Even without expecting 2x the cores to mean 2x the performance, I’d hope for quite a bit more than that, maybe 80% - which puts us in line with a 1660 mobile, and a good chunk ahead of the 5500M.
We will have to wait at least a little longer for true benchmarks to start leaking out. These estimates were done by Dave2D in n this video:
Like everything else at this point, they are just assumptions but based on M1 performance with 8 cores and the estimated power draw of the 16 core, it sounds about right.
Either way, my main argument is that putting the 16 core into the 16” doesn’t give the new 16” much of an upgrade over what Apple started selling us nearly 2 years ago. It’s a fantastic upgrade for anyone coming from the current $1799 13” but for most of us 16” owners, it’s not enough.
The 16 core GPU would have a Metal score of 42000 which puts it around the 5600M which is a $800 upgrade right now from the base 16" i7 5300M.
So 16" i7 5300M is $2400 with 5600M its $3200. So having the 16 GPU Core as standard for the $2400 model would give it 5600M or better.
The 32 core would have a metal score of 80000-84000 which is great which is a huge improvement over the 5600M.
I'm honestly quite excited for once, looking to replace this M1 MacBook Air I currently have.
Incredible little machine but I just can't get used to the smaller display size after using my Late 2013 MacBook Pro for 6 years and the (terrible) 16" MacBook Pro for a few months.
A full size display with all of the performance/battery benefits of Apple Silicon is a dream.
Incredible little machine but I just can't get used to the smaller display size after using my Late 2013 MacBook Pro for 6 years and the (terrible) 16" MacBook Pro for a few months.
A full size display with all of the performance/battery benefits of Apple Silicon is a dream.
Apart from the dalliance with the 16, identical situation. 2013 MBP 15 owner who has switched to M1 MBA until these 14/16 machines are introed. I pulled out my 2013 15 the other day and WOW, what a massive size difference (and weight!). But the fans... oh the fans.
Can't wait to get my hands on a 16 and get some real estate back for Keynote editing. I've been getting the beach ball recently on the M1 MBA due to editing a couple of heavy projects. Can't wait to get a decked out machine to make all my troubles disappear!
Guys, I keep a LOT of Safari and Chrome pages open, and some of them are relatively heavy, especially browser-based trading apps. I'm gonna get a 16". I can afford the highest CPU, but I don't want to overheat the machine with running extra cores I don't need.
Do I need the fastest processor or max RAM will suffice?
Do I need the fastest processor or max RAM will suffice?
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So why aren't we seeing any design leaks with this thing yet? Not the slightest visual clue of what it will look like, except for the rumor that surfaced a few months ago that it'll have flat edges and look more like an iPhone 12... but I want to see what it'll actually look like!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you won't have a choice on processor speeds. The Processor on all of them will be the same, the difference will be the GPU cores, the HD and the amount of Ram. Yeah???
Me too, I have mbp 15' late 2013.
I wait for the new mpp 16'.
How much differences and improvements in practical ways, we will observe?