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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

pat500000 said:
I still see no latest rumors of nMP.
plan for 2017

march/april: ipad series

june-august: WWDC emoji upgrades/school/health related

sept: iphones

october-november: mbps and fillers.
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September for iPhones is a given, and so is WWDC Mac OS updates, but everything else is probably more of a 'when it's ready' thing. Vega is very close to announcement, though the workstation editions are still a ways away, but as far as I'm concerned that's the main thing that'll indicate if the Mac Pro is dead or not.
 
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Jaho101 said:
September for iPhones is a given, and so is WWDC Mac OS updates, but everything else is probably more of a 'when it's ready' thing. Vega is very close to announcement, though the workstation editions are still a ways away, but as far as I'm concerned that's the main thing that'll indicate if the Mac Pro is dead or not.
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Still...there isn't any "macrumors."
 
Apple, I'm sure you have heard of "The Tortoise and The Hare" because it's in one of your iBooks. The hare and all the 7,1 nMP parts are at the finish line waiting on you! :p
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After 21 years of Apple loyalty, I've come to the point that if Apple doesn't deliver a serious desktop by March, I'll be buying my first ever Windows desktop.

I too never thought that might happen. Apple used to be about higher price for higher performance, then higher price for better quality software, now they're about higher price for less of all of the following: performance, software quality, longevity/upgradeability and most of all, thickness.

I'm not playing that game any more.
 
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lowendlinux said:
Well I have a new job and they are an all Mac office so I guess I'm now waiting on the MP 7,1
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No MacPro 7,1 will be released (at least based on Intel and available anytime soon).

You may be happy w/ the 2017 iMac (pro) w/ vega GPU option (and rumored BTO 10-core version)!

Many are not aware support for nMP is ending relatively soon:
2013 nMP is scheduled by Apple to be classified as obsolete at the end of 2018 (24 months from now).

2012 cMP is also scheduled as obsolete by Apple at the end of next year (12 months from now)


Mac Pro is a dead product
 
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I don't know where you got that info from, or if you're just speculating, but an iMac (Pro) with Vega and a 10 core CPU inside seems rather unlikely. Heat issues come to mind.
Unless they completely re-design it to accommodate for all those heat sources, which means a major departure from the current "as thin as possible" design.
Support ends for every product after the designated time.
 
Anyone has information about these new (?) Radeon cards? The page is a bit light on details especially for the Vega model:

http://radeon.com/en-us/instinct/

The page says they are passively cooled, but power is 150 to 300w so I guess they would be downgraded to run in the nMP equivalent.

If there is drop-in CUDA/CUnn equivalent replacement libraries then i would be very interested into having a pair of these in a Mac Pro.

EDIT: Turns out they mention accelerated equivalent of the CUnn stuff in this page: http://radeon.com/en-us/radeon-instinct-ecosystem-open-source-platform/

Also mention 1H 2017 for the release date of HW and Q1 2017 for SW.
 
MI25 is the only Vega based GPU in this stack. MI6 is Polaris and MI8 is Fiji chip.
 
Daniel Reed said:
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Many are not aware support for nMP is ending relatively soon:
2013 nMP is scheduled by Apple to be classified as obsolete at the end of 2018 (24 months from now).

2012 cMP is also scheduled as obsolete by Apple at the end of next year (12 months from now)
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That is a bit backwards on dates.

The 2010-2012 cMP will extremely likely go "Vintage/Obsolete" in 2018. Introduction of 2013 model starts countdown timer on previous version. The 2009 are already on the list. Little rational justification that the 2010-2012 isn't going to get the lower end of the range; 5 years, since production service life was 2 years longer than most Mac products (2010-2013). 2010-2012 will likely be bundled together since the same Model number. Apple could get super nitpicky and separate them, but that would likely cause way too much blowback.

The 2013 nMP clock will only start when manufacturing stops.
" ... Vintage products are those that have not been manufactured for more than 5 and less than 7 years ago. ... " https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

If Apple decided to go way "off script" and build up inventory that could have started already. If the "plan' was to stop in late 2016 they could have done it by just sitting on 5-9 months of inventory. That is completely abnormal for Apple which usually targets as small as possible inventories and typically hits their targets ( multiple year track records of being lowest inventory compared to their competitors ). Mac Pro sales may have dwindled to point where 'burst' runs are the only way forward though. If they have plans for a follow on Mac Pro then I suspect manufacturing will stop by end of 2016 ( and coast on inventory until new one spins up).

If there is still periodic production though the clock hasn't started at all. Even if Apple announces discontinuing the line, they probably will allow a 4-6 month window for folks to flush out the purchase order pipeline ( as with XServe and classic MP). Depending upon the response there may be one last manufacture bump to fill the last set of orders if inventory is very low.
 
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Apple's going to have pretty much built Apple Campus 2 in the time it's likely to take before a Mac Pro update.
 

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displayator said:
Anyone has information about these new (?) Radeon cards? The page is a bit light on details especially for the Vega model:

http://radeon.com/en-us/instinct/

The page says they are passively cooled, but power is 150 to 300w so I guess they would be downgraded to run in the nMP equivalent.

If there is drop-in CUDA/CUnn equivalent replacement libraries then i would be very interested into having a pair of these in a Mac Pro.

EDIT: Turns out they mention accelerated equivalent of the CUnn stuff in this page: http://radeon.com/en-us/radeon-instinct-ecosystem-open-source-platform/

Also mention 1H 2017 for the release date of HW and Q1 2017 for SW.
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AMD demoed a version of Vega today that would be suitable for the Mac Pro in theory, but there were no technical details so it's hard to dissect. It was a black box demo, people weren't even allowed to see the card inside the tower.

The Instinct line looks like a new line of Server cards, meant for computation work. One happens to be a Vega card (MI25), but it's far too hot for a Mac Pro. The actual Radeon 490 would probably be slower than MI25, and come in at 8-10 TFLOPs. It's also too soon to tell if MI25 comes with extra features that would add heat/power on top of a Radeon 490.
 
So what exactly is wrong with the 2013 Mac Pro? I know the price could come down, and the GPU is a little low (that has always been the case though). Is it worse than my 2010 Mac Pro?
 
Bits and Chips site again today touted that Apple may want to use Zen APUs in MBPs. So after all, maybe the Zen as a whole was stopping Apple from updating their computers?
 
koyoot said:
Bits and Chips site again today touted that Apple may want to use Zen APUs in MBPs. So after all, maybe the Zen as a whole was stopping Apple from updating their computers?
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More than Zen, is AMD Vega what had stopped the nnMP, AMD didn't refresh its pro GPU since 2013, the only 'updates' before where just new configurations on the same core designs and same process, so actually we didnt miss so much from AMD Radeon Pro .
 
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