MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[koyoot]

Guys, I have a question for you. Dont you think that problems with Apple software, the bugs and errors have appeared when Forstall was pushed out of Apple, and iOS division , and both divisions: MacOS and iOS have came to one person - Craig Federighi.

If we will trace out the software problems, back down the line - it starts in that particular moment.

 

[lowendlinux]

I think the problems started when they committed to a free yearly update. Since they don't do much in the way of legacy support they need to compel users to upgrade which means shiny new features and their related complications. In the past they would point release as much as needed to make it right and then use that base for the next version they don't have time for that now. Mobile has gotten more complicated and also and both they and Google are on a one years schedule which has lead to the issues everyone like to talk about. Google has the community submitting fixes so not only do they have their engineers going at it they have input and eyes of a few million people, Apple has none of that.

Like I've said before Apple really needs to have an LTS release and normal releases in between, or heck make a RHEL / Fedora model and let people choose.

 

[koyoot]

I think the problems started when they committed to a free yearly update. Since they don't do much in the way of legacy support they need to compel users to upgrade which means shiny new features and their related complications. In the past they would point release as much as needed to make it right and then use that base for the next version they don't have time for that now. Mobile has gotten more complicated and also and both they and Google are on a one years schedule which has lead to the issues everyone like to talk about. Google has the community submitting fixes so not only do they have their engineers going at it they have input and eyes of a few million people, Apple has none of that.

Like I've said before Apple really needs to have an LTS release and normal releases in between, or heck make a RHEL / Fedora model and let people choose.

Which is exactly when Federighi became the head of both divisions, isn't it?

 

[handsome pete]

So what exactly is wrong with the 2013 Mac Pro? I know the price could come down, and the GPU is a little low (that has always been the case though). Is it worse than my 2010 Mac Pro?

Other than being dated, nothing's exactly wrong with it. But that also depends on what you're looking for in a computer. If a dual socket machine is important, then look elsewhere. If you want Pcie slots, then look elsewhere. It's a pretty cool little machine, but its glaring weakness at this point (as long as those other tradeoffs aren't an issue) is simply still using 2013 parts and charging 2013 prices.

 

[ventricle]

Those who want Pcie slots or better GPUs look where?

 

[lowendlinux]

Which is exactly when Federighi became the head of both divisions, isn't it?

But it's not him it's the schedule Cook committed to.

 

[Ethosik]

Other than being dated, nothing's exactly wrong with it. But that also depends on what you're looking for in a computer. If a dual socket machine is important, then look elsewhere. If you want Pcie slots, then look elsewhere. It's a pretty cool little machine, but its glaring weakness at this point (as long as those other tradeoffs aren't an issue) is simply still using 2013 parts and charging 2013 prices.

I am still thinking about getting one to replace my 3.33Ghz 6-core 2010 Mac Pro. I have a standard PC GPU GTX 980 in there, and a USB 3 card. Really good external hard drives or external SSDs over USB3 are fast enough for me.

 

[pat500000]

Whose idea was it to release OS X annually?

 

[namethisfile]

Other than being dated, nothing's exactly wrong with it. But that also depends on what you're looking for in a computer. If a dual socket machine is important, then look elsewhere. If you want Pcie slots, then look elsewhere. It's a pretty cool little machine, but its glaring weakness at this point (as long as those other tradeoffs aren't an issue) is simply still using 2013 parts and charging 2013 prices.

Tech only gets dated if the apps you're using no longer works on said tech.

Dual CPU's are only necessary, if the app you're using can leverage said # of cores.

You only need PCIE slots, if, you have PCIE components that you still wanna use.

And, lastly tech doesn't become cheaper. If, this is true. You would be able to get an i7-3770k for less today. But, apparently, a brand-new i7-3770K today is $1047.01 as seen here, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...178&cm_re=i7-3770k-_-9SIAAEE4U21178-_-Product

People would also just wait a year later and get an i7-4790K hoping it would be cheaper. But, today, an i7-4790K is still retailing for the same $340 price at Newegg as it did when it launched.

It's supply and demand I think. CPU manufacturers like intel will stop making a particular CPU. So, if there are only a limited # of this CPU, price will not go down. But, up.

I don't know how old you are. But, everyone with elementary school education, if they follow the trend, will realize this. So, bitching about it besides for its own sake, is really dumb. And, yes, I know that I might also be dumb for explaining this.

But, it begs me ask the question, are there like PC shills or Microsoft shills or HP or Dell shills roaming this forum? The bitchiness seems unwarranted and unfair.
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Whose idea was it to release OS X annually?

<strike>Steve Jobs!</strike>

<joke>Mine!</joke>

 

[Ethosik]

Tech only gets dated if the apps you're using no longer works on said tech.

Dual CPU's are only necessary, if the app you're using can leverage said # of cores.

You only need PCIE slots, if, you have PCIE components that you still wanna use.

And, lastly tech doesn't become cheaper. If, this is true. You would be able to get an i7-3770k for less today. But, apparently, a brand-new i7-3770K today is $1047.01 as seen here, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...178&cm_re=i7-3770k-_-9SIAAEE4U21178-_-Product

People would also just wait a year later and get an i7-4790K hoping it would be cheaper. But, today, an i7-4790K is still retailing for the same $340 price at Newegg as it did when it launched.

It's supply and demand I think. CPU manufacturers like intel will stop making a particular CPU. So, if there are only a limited # of this CPU, price will not go down. But, up.

I don't know how old you are. But, everyone with elementary school education, if they follow the trend, will realize this. So, bitching about it besides for its own sake, is really dumb. And, yes, I know that I might also be dumb for explaining this.

But, it begs me ask the question, are there like PC shills or Microsoft shills or HP or Dell shills roaming this forum? The bitchiness seems unwarranted and unfair.
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Steve Jobs!

I agree. I am able to work on some 4K content while primarily focusing on 1080p videos on my 2010 Mac Pro. This is just about 7 years old now. Running Sierra and the new Final Cut have not slowed down this system at all. A lot of people seem to think that the 2013 Mac Pro will be useless in a few months or a few years.

And YOU can upgrade the CPU in the Mac Pro yourself if you want.

Internal storage and RAM can also be upgraded. Yeah it doesn't have PCIe slots, isn't that what Thunderbolt 2 is supposed to do?

 

[antonis]

Like I've said before Apple really needs to have an LTS release and normal releases in between, or heck make a RHEL / Fedora model and let people choose.

Yes, you can't go wrong with an LTS release like canonical does while keep releasing the annual updates as well (heck, ubuntu even has 2 releases per year). But I don't see that happening anytime soon, since every new mac released is only supporting the current macOS version and forward. Backward compatibility is non-existent.

 

[handsome pete]

Those who want Pcie slots or better GPUs look where?

Other workstation manufacturers? I'm not sure why that was a question.

Tech only gets dated if the apps you're using no longer works on said tech.

Dual CPU's are only necessary, if the app you're using can leverage said # of cores.

You only need PCIE slots, if, you have PCIE components that you still wanna use.

Of course, which is why I specifically mentioned that it's only a bad device if you want those options.

And, lastly tech doesn't become cheaper.

Not generally, but newer parts are released which have spec bumps for similar (if not the same) costs.

But, it begs me ask the question, are there like PC shills or Microsoft shills or HP or Dell shills roaming this forum? The bitchiness seems unwarranted and unfair.

Unwarranted and unfair? Do you work on the Mac Pro design team or something? It's the same exact computer released 3 full years ago. Of course it's still a good machine, but other manufacturers have maintained an update schedule with their machines with nary a word from Apple. And this machine is not conventional in design, so more thought has to go into whether or not it's suitable for one's specific use.

I'm platform agnostic. I have a Macbook, an iPad Pro, and a custom build PC. So no, just because there's some grumbling about the lack of updates/info it doesn't mean all the negativity is from shills of other companies. Whether you like the machine or not, the bitching is completely warranted.

 

[Aldaris]

I am a Mac guy have been for near 2 decades, first Mac was a PowerBook 520c.

No where close to a shill paid by Microsoft or HP, just a enthusiast who really loves his Mac and really concerned with the direction Apple is headed. It's no longer the Apple to the crazy ones... it's the Apple of fashion statements-emoji, rose gold, seasonal watchbands, and fashion shows sponsored by (at least a fairly large contribution) Tim and Ive. And I was a great supportor of Ive, on his side and really against Forstall-still not a fan of Forstall, but damn Apple has been struggling with updates, releases, and launches-across the board... I'd be lying if I said I haven't begun looking into other solutions/platforms. Sure I'd keep what I have for personal use, but as far as investing more into the Mac platform- which by many accounts have abandoned the Pro market-I'm becoming less inclined to do so.

 

[goMac]

Guys, I have a question for you. Dont you think that problems with Apple software, the bugs and errors have appeared when Forstall was pushed out of Apple, and iOS division , and both divisions: MacOS and iOS have came to one person - Craig Federighi.

Careful what you wish for. If Forstall had stayed, there would be no Mac at all right now.

I'd be looking at Bertrand instead.

 

[namethisfile]

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**pointlessness**

 

[Mago]

I'm disappointed with the new MBPwTB why make it slimmer at expense of: DDR4/64GB even why SOLDERED SSD (SSD are limited life components), DDR4 may require more power, who cares having to load a extra pound but having the power they need, Johnny Ive failed here, he is a designer not a power user, he should stark to think more like an User and less as a Fashionista ?

I follow MKBHD, even him regrets to buy this macbook, even I believe MS said the truth when they stand disappointied mac users switching to Surface Pro.

About the Mac Pro, all I Know is delayed due the Evil Deal with AMD on GPUs and AMD dont have an updated GPU for the Mac Pro (maybe only replacement for D300/D500 but none fo D700), so why not open the GPU Form Factor to nVidia and allow nVidia upgrades (even better allow Users to Choose among AMD and nVidia, that's bold and stands with users not with mid term business)

 

[Dean Yu]

Well, according their "designed in California" video their design lab is still using Thunderbolt Displays and trashcan Mac Pros.
Won't "make it thinner" Jony Ive feel cringy seeing thick TB displays and iMacs standing Side by side?

 

[Daniel Reed]

Timmy, show some leadership; crap or get-off-the-pot!

The Cook is not a leader, a visionary, nor a creative.
He was a loyal Jobs bean-counter and needs to be ousted ASAP.

I find it incredibly annoying I just paid for a brand-new OLD Mac Pro directly from Apple because it is simply the only (and last) new fully supported (for now) Apple option for heavy lifting!

Even w/ small discounts and the unannounced ninja SSD upgrade,
Apple's refusal to upgrade the CPU and GPU is completely ridiculous!

Although, on the flip side, I'm thankful the Mac Pro is still available for purchase (for now).

By refusing to upgrade/replace the Mac Pro and also scheduling the 2013 model for obsolete status in 24 months, many in my position have no choice but to completely dump & run from Apple in the very near future... There will be no Apple workstations to buy!

The 2017 iMac Pro will not a suitable replacement; sadly, the Mac Pro may be officially discontinued on the day of the iMac Pro announcement (or shortly thereafter).

Perhaps the only slim hope of Apple changing their Mac Pro discontinuation plans at this point is strong pressure from the Trump administration for Apple to build NEW and GREAT products in America... but who am I kidding, Tim will most likely just setup watchband assembly factories in the USA.

 

[AidenShaw]

Dual CPU's are only necessary, if the app you're using can leverage said # of cores.

You only need PCIE slots, if, you have PCIE components that you still wanna use.

There's a case where this is wrong, and it relates to the second sentence that I clipped.

A dual socket system gives you twice as many PCIe lanes. A quad socket system gives you four times as many.

I've configured file servers with dual quad-core sockets, just to get the PCIe lanes for 10 GbE, 16 Gbps FC, SAS RAID controllers and the like. A single quad could handle the CPU load (especially with the server network and storage adapters offloading much of the protocol processing), but 40 lanes isn't enough.

The servers with quad Titan X cards are quad socket, so that every Titan gets PCIe 3.0 x16 without switches (and there are still lots of lanes for storage and network controllers. (And these GPU servers have 144 logical cores, and I often see run queues of 300 to 500 - meaning that if I had 300 cores they'd be 100% busy for hours on end.)

 

[pat500000]

Timmy, show some leadership; crap or get-off-the-pot!

The Cook is not a leader, a visionary, nor a creative.
He was a loyal Jobs bean-counter and needs to be ousted ASAP.

I find it incredibly annoying I just paid for a brand new OLD Mac Pro directly from Apple because it is simply the only (and last) new fully supported (for now) Apple option for professionals!

Even w/ small discounts and the unannounced ninja SSD upgrade,
it's completely ridiculous not to upgrade the CPU and GPU!

Perhaps the only slim hope of Apple changing their Mac Pro discontinuation plans at this point is strong pressure from the Trump administration for Apple to build NEW and GREAT products in America... but who am I kidding, Tim will most likely just add more watchband assembly factories in the USA.

Tim looked paralyzed in the first picture.

 

[tuxon86]

Tim looked paralyzed in the first picture.

You would be too if you were a big hillary suporter and found yourself in the middle of a room filled with republicans enjoying their victory...

 

[pat500000]

You would be too if you were a big hillary suporter and found yourself in the middle of a room filled with republicans enjoying their victory...

I doubt he would be paralyzed just because he's a Hilary supporter. He wouldn't attend there if that was the case.

 

[ventricle]

Other workstation manufacturers? I'm not sure why that was a question.

Because Apple has nothing for those who want Pcie slots and faster GPUs.

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[namethisfile]

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***another pointless post for me***

****will think more before responding*****

 

[Aldaris]

I doubt he would be paralyzed just because he's a Hilary supporter. He wouldn't attend there if that was the case.

I think he's scared ********. Trump is a 'kiss the ring' kind of tyrant, and Tim is only there to do that-an attempt to stay within the good graces.

One thing I miss is the passion. Steve promoted an environment of passionate vision-he demonstrated it when he was on stage... the only passion I see from cook is numbers. Trumps passion is trolling-can only imagine what number he's doing in tims head now.