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Want to know why Intel spends more and more on R&D? Because the fabs are consuming most of it. With each smaller node, the manufacturing costs are getting bigger, which I have pointed out many months ago. Ask yourself, why there has been no immense innovation from Intel for years, despite GIGANTIC expenditures on R&D?

Market is shrinking, and they have to compete not only with AMD, but with ARM. And ARM is biggest threat to Intel. Actually maybe most of you do not get it, but ARM is a threat to both Intel and AMD, and x86 architecture. Every possible way Intel can feed the fabs both with work, and with money, is best interest of Intel. Even if it requires allying with their competitor.

Believe me, I am not arguing about this. I am just providing a point of view, for understanding the situation of Intel, and the reasons why Intel may allow in future their fabs to manufacture products for other companies than Intel, itself.

Intel owns the server (and workstation) market, where AMD and ARM are irrelevant. That market is not shrinking and it is the most profitable. The Skylake Xeon will be a significant improvement over anything available now. How are AMD and ARM which are both fabless going to compete in the server space?
 
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Ask yourself, why there has been no immense innovation from Intel for years, despite GIGANTIC expenditures on R&D?
You don't consider the current DDR4-2666 memory support an innovation over earlier memory?

How about greatly increased core counts and cache sizes? Not an innovation?

What about AES instructions that get nearly perfect scaling with hyperthreading? NVMe disks with the ability to simultaneously process tens of thousands of IO requests? AVX instructions with 256-bit SIMD registers (and 512-bit shortly). Improved virtual machine support with acceleration instructions?

It's true that your code that's optimized for a single thread on a Pentium III doesn't run much faster from one Core generation to the next generation.

But if you're setting the compiler switches on your code for latest architecture you can see a huge improvement. I eWasted a couple of racks of servers just to get new ones with AES instructions. A $300K purchase order because of CPU improvements.

Lots of people here bash Intel for not speeding up their CPUs, but the truth is that they are either lazy developers or that they are buying apps from lazy developers.

It probably doesn't help that the MP6,1 is two generations behind on Xeon processors - more laziness.
 
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Ask yourself, why there has been no immense innovation from Intel for years, despite GIGANTIC expenditures on R&D?

This effect is real and goes way beyond Intel. See here:
"We present a wide range of evidence from various industries, products, and firms showing that research effort is rising substantially while research productivity is declining sharply. A good example is Moore’s Law. The number of researchers required today to achieve the famous doubling every two years of the density of computer chips is more than 75 times larger than the number required in the early 1970s. Across a broad range of case studies at various levels of (dis)aggregation, we find that ideas — and in particular the exponential growth they imply — are getting harder and harder to find."
https://web.stanford.edu/~chadj/IdeaPF.pdf
 
What do you guys think?

https://pikeralpha.wordpress.com/2016/12/20/breaking-news/

Will Apple stop selling the Mac Pro 6.1 in 2017 before WWDC? Does this means the end of Mac Pro workstation and the beginning of a new Pro desktop? I still believe that an iMac Pro would not work with more than 4 ore 6 cores due to the TDP. The iMac design will introduce heating problems unless they re-design the whole thing for more powerful internals.
 
What do you guys think?

https://pikeralpha.wordpress.com/2016/12/20/breaking-news/

Will Apple stop selling the Mac Pro 6.1 in 2017 before WWDC? Does this means the end of Mac Pro workstation and the beginning of a new Pro desktop? I still believe that an iMac Pro would not work with more than 4 ore 6 cores due to the TDP. The iMac design will introduce heating problems unless they re-design the whole thing for more powerful internals.
I might agree with one point: Whenever they say something of assurance, they quickly jump ship. I don't see any proof that it is coming.
 
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I am hoping for at the very least a tease around NAB, if there isn't any buzz by then, I think it's a safe bet that there wont be anything at WWDC. If I remember right, there was some talk around NAB in 2013, that some were able to try the new Pro's (albeit hidden in an enclosure without any real indication of the 6,1 figure). There is where Apple (read Phil) needs to focus that they are interested in keeping that demographic invested. I fear if not many will be jumping to other platforms-granted many already have. For Apple to approach 4 years with the same system and price (by WWDC it will be roughly 42 months), it would seem that it is the end of the line.

They are really pushing Thunderbolt 3 (and why shouldn't they), It would make the most sense to see all the product lines adopt the port within a sixth month span or so. The first and really only TB3 system is the new MacBook Pro, to be followed by the iMac (one would assume this spring February-May), and likely extend to the MacBook in the next update. I hesitate to speculate on any other system (MacBook Air, Mac mini, or Pro) because I tend to think they are end of the line- I still hope for at least the desktop lines, but the writing on the wall dictates otherwise.

Although Apple may likely be headed towards a Touch Bar keyboard, I think it is far more likely that a Touch ID would be built into the chin of the iMac, possibly right next the the rear power button, or underneath. They are working on their products working with redundancy in mind, perhaps they will count on their users having their iPhone and Watch within proximity enough to work as a "two factor" or "two-product" authentication system, they already do with Apple Watch unlock, and Apple Pay through Sierra.

Unfortunately the only thing I could really count on Apple releasing in the next sixth months will be the new seasonal vibrant spring Apple Watch bands.
 
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I am hoping for at the very least a tease around NAB, if there isn't any buzz by then, I think it's a safe bet that there wont be anything at WWDC. If I remember right, there was some talk around NAB in 2013, that some were able to try the new Pro's (albeit hidden in an enclosure without any real indication of the 6,1 figure). There is where Apple (read Phil) needs to focus that they are interested in keeping that demographic invested. I fear if not many will be jumping to other platforms-granted many already have. For Apple to approach 4 years with the same system and price (by WWDC it will be roughly 42 months), it would seem that it is the end of the line.

They are really pushing Thunderbolt 3 (and why shouldn't they), It would make the most sense to see all the product lines adopt the port within a sixth month span or so. The first and really only TB3 system is the new MacBook Pro, to be followed by the iMac (one would assume this spring February-May), and likely extend to the MacBook in the next update. I hesitate to speculate on any other system (MacBook Air, Mac mini, or Pro) because I tend to think they are end of the line- I still hope for at least the desktop lines, but the writing on the wall dictates otherwise.

Although Apple may likely be headed towards a Touch Bar keyboard, I think it is far more likely that a Touch ID would be built into the chin of the iMac, possibly right next the the rear power button, or underneath. They are working on their products working with redundancy in mind, perhaps they will count on their users having their iPhone and Watch within proximity enough to work as a "two factor" or "two-product" authentication system, they already do with Apple Watch unlock, and Apple Pay through Sierra.

Unfortunately the only thing I could really count on Apple releasing in the next sixth months will be the new seasonal vibrant spring Apple Watch bands.
The imac still needs e-net build in Not taking up an pci-e X4 TB-3 bus unless it's 10-gig-e On one of the usb-c ports.

but if you cut the video card down to X8 you only have X8 left over to feed 2 TB-3 buses. With storage, wifi, bt, all on the X4 dmi bus.

Now you can go to on-board video and have 4 TB3 buses.

Also some usb-A are need ports as well.

The mac pro will need to go down 1 video card to have 6-10 TB 3 buses.
 
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What do you guys think?
https://pikeralpha.wordpress.com/2016/12/20/breaking-news/
Will Apple stop selling the Mac Pro 6.1 in 2017 before WWDC?

Yes, this mirrors what I've "heard" unofficially.

When the (i)Mac (Pro) is announced, nMP users will be encouraged to go that route.

Some will continue w/ :apple:; Most Pros will drop out & switch to Win10 Creative Update.
(conveniently released around the same time-frame)
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Give it time, he has to hire a bunch of archaeologist first so he can understand what prehistoric age that archaic device you where referring to comes from

Well
Seems the entire http://www.pascaleggert.de/ has been down 2 business days since my email to Mr Cook.
o_O

EDIT: now the site is back
 
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I think he pulled that information from a lot of places. Apple engineers talking loudly on a plane about upcoming products? No.

Again, fingerprint syncing isn't at all likely. After Apple went through all the trouble of storing fingerprints in a secure enclave, they're going to upload them to the cloud? C'mon. That patent is from 2015. There's a reason that it was never used.

If you think four Apple engineers were all loudly talking on a plane about a whole bunch of Apple roadmap items I have some beachfront property to sell you in Arizona.
 
Yes, this mirrors what I've "heard" unofficially.

When the (i)Mac (Pro) is announced, nMP users will be encouraged to go that route.

Some will continue w/ :apple:; Most Pros will drop out & switch to Win10 Creative Update.
(conveniently released around the same time-frame)
[doublepost=1484609439][/doublepost]

I'd love an ultra wide iMac "pro". I'll wish for six core, but won't hold my breath for anything over 4. And I won't hold my breath for the ultra wide. ;)
 
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Details on Infinity Fabric:
http://wccftech.com/amds-infinity-fabric-detailed/
Now, this could be the foundation of the nMP, with Naples and Vega, but I guess not this time around yet.
AMD already works on Infinity Fabric 2.0.

One example. Future GPU clusters will be made from multiple GPUs on single PCB, and single interposer. Its for HPC market.

But the idea can scale down to consumer market.
 
Why not the next refresh? From the current design and thermal limitations they could get a lot more CPU and GPU power plus the usefulness of the HBC and HBCC.
If they went Ryzen+Vega, could they still have the physical layout they currently have for the CPU and 2x GPUs?
 
Why not the next refresh? From the current design and thermal limitations they could get a lot more CPU and GPU power plus the usefulness of the HBC and HBCC.
If they went Ryzen+Vega, could they still have the physical layout they currently have for the CPU and 2x GPUs?
Ryzen is the iMac class CPU ;).

I know that 8 core design can be confusing, because we did not used to have 8 or 6 cores as mainstream option.

We are looking at server chips that are based on Ryzen CPUs.

And 16 core CPU appears to have 64 PCIe 3.0 lanes. Which will be more than sufficient to handle two GPUs and 1 NVMe SSD, plus few Thunderbolt connections.
 
Yes, and unless Apple is already testing Naples for quite a while, it's a no show any time soon in nMP I guess. That's why I said not in the next iteration, too soon I believe. Might be wrong though.
And there's the issue of different Ryzen SKUs having different lane count. I wonder, will the lower core count have unused pins in the socket? Or different sockets for different Naples SKUs, which is not a good move? Guess not.
I'd take that 16 core with 64 lanes, two Vega GPUs, dual NVMe SSDs, dual 10GbE and 8 TB3 ports. There, no need for promontory. Correction, 6 TB3 ports and ac wave 2 + BT combo, those were missing.
Sweet
 
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