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Have everybody noticed Apple is early releasing new API and Related stuff ahead WWDC, leaaving almost none to annouce at the WWDC opening keynote, maybe they plan to use the event focus to introduce a bunch of new hardware:
In the real world (where that means that fanatics don't sell out the event within minutes of ticket sales coming online) it's common to preview API and other development info before the event. That helps to bring the actual technical people into the show.

MacWorld SF 2017 is a ludicrous mix of IOS people wanting some pre-release clues, Apple OSX people desperate to find something that will help them fight the belief that Apple OSX is dead, and web "journalists" looking for click-bait to drive traffic.

My prediction is that the only newsworthy item from MacWorld SF 2017 will be the Apple Watch Pro - and many (especially the "pros" who need powahful systems) will say WTF.
 

Apple retail specifically isn't necessarily Apple. Remember Apple has a high level deal with IBM for 'enterprise' engagements. There are more than numerous threads about how evil Apple stores were squeezing out VARs and independent shops.

Apple could also 'roll up' some of this B2B sales to just online ( how many folks have 'personal' or 'go to' Apple service contacts as business. ). Yeah some folks want to do only face-to-face but buying yet-another-set of Apple products really doesn't require a whole lot of face-to-face talk. [ nevermind the quite often laments even in this thread about consultants/IT-personell about how their job is to configure the Macs deployed at their clients/users. ]

Is a store in a Mall and/or high fashion district really primarily location for B2B commerce? Is it for other 'enterprise' vendors???????
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Have everybody noticed Apple is early releasing new API and Related stuff ahead WWDC, leaaving almost none to annouce at the WWDC opening keynote,

What major API announcements. There are updates rolled out in the 10.x.y updates but how many of those are new or missed or fixed from last round?

There are usually about 80-100 API updates. Even if 20-30 got under the radar introduced there would still be a whole set that aren't. The overwhelming vast majority are not covered in the keynote ( not GUI conducive, hard to show, ... .).

As for WWDC it is an educational conference. Can still have APIs (that developers still are not robustly using) classes and still have an impact.


The notion that the bulk and all of the APIs are out now is relatively bankrupt.



maybe they plan to use the event focus to introduce a bunch of new hardware:

  • iPad Pro 12.x
  • iPad Pro 10.x
  • iMac
  • Mac mini?
  • Mac Pro?

Extremely highly likely no as being primarily a hardware only event. It is a software developers conference. If it is hardware to show a major API demo perhaps..

iPads ( 9.7 and 12.5 ) could drop in April-May. ( if want to hit any of major edu buying cycles in the USA. June is relatively too late for major purchase orders. ). The 10" fancy zero-bezel thing .... if Apple can't make the iPad Air 2 laminated work economically .... that would be odd they'd be rushing that to market.
 
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What major API announcements. There are updates rolled out in the 10.x.y updates but how many of those are new or missed or fixed from last round?

This. Aside from Swift language updates, there have been no API announcements.

Having lots of API and having hardware updates does not mean one or the other. The morning of the keynote is consumer announcements, the afternoon is developer announcements.
 
This. Aside from Swift language updates, there have been no API announcements.
Considering how much Swift gets changed, I'd almost rather use Obj-C all of the time. I can't be bothered to always look at the documentation whenever some pinhead thinks the syntax needs changed.
 
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Considering how much Swift gets changed, I'd almost rather use Obj-C all of the time. I can't be bothered to always look at the documentation whenever some pinhead thinks the syntax needs changed.

I use obj-c all the time - swift is not ready for prime time and it is weird (to someone who grew up on C/C++).
 
I use obj-c all the time - swift is not ready for prime time and it is weird (to someone who grew up on C/C++).
I'm not even an amateur programmer, but I've taken a few basic level classes. Swift 1 was something I used in a mobile dev course. It was easy to grasp, but then they changed to swift 2, then 3, etc. Changing syntax for things and breaking stuff.

After using C, I feel more comfortable in Obj-C than I do in Swift. Anyone who's serious about development works in Obj-C anyway.
 
They also might be waiting to use Apple Park (or better, the SJ theatre) to present new hardware. It may change the schedule of hw presentations for the time being and give us a WWDC rich in hw.


You know that actually makes a lot of sense.
Apple is all about drama and what better place than the Steve Jobs Theater in a building Steve helped design to introduce the next revolution in devices.
 
You know that actually makes a lot of sense.
Apple is all about drama and what better place than the Steve Jobs Theater in a building Steve helped design to introduce the next revolution in devices.
Do note that the conference room is not in the doughnut - it's in a different building.
 
I think that the author's analysis is spot-on.
Previously discussed, and most of use found this article: Biased, Pathetic exercise of Apology.

Few Grounds on our opinion are:

The Article DOES NOT MENTION APPLE-AMD TOXIC GPU DEPENDENCY, AMD has throuble updating timely its GPUs being a major factor of Mac delays.

The Article, exercises a pathetic Marketing analysis on the idea about less updated products means user's inventory to keep value longer: this is pathetically false, Lack of products updates promotes user migration to other platforms where they can run the same application (as photoshop) on faster new hardware or just bring back access to hardware not being offered anymore by Apple (as nVidia CUDA).

Neither the article explains how a company selling 100x more products than liiliputan Zotac (which develops N custom models each year) dont have interest to update a mac mini or a mac pro, which notwithstanding being the cheapest or less popular Mac both paid many times its development cost.

I have an better explay: Apple Mac business is being mismanaged, by a team of little oversight executives doing almost nothing on time and distracted on thins nott attained to them (as apple media business, which provides similar income but at almost 40x the cost -accounting the costs, beats and music are olympic failures-).

The Case of the Mac Pro is very special, this is the machine used by advanced developers, no mac pro means iOS users need to comfy with apps and content developed in iMacs (no imac can run advanced Machine learning, neither do 8K post processing neither 3D AR/VR stuff), even loosing money on the Mac Pro Apple need this product to be continuously updated .
 
Previously discussed, and most of use found this article: Biased, Pathetic exercise of Apology.

Appleinsider often does some "stand on head", contrived analysis and it will take long then I have to at the moment to put out the problems buried inside of that piece. However, he also doesn't have a lock on contrived output.


Few Grounds on our opinion are:

The Article DOES NOT MENTION APPLE-AMD TOXIC GPU DEPENDENCY, AMD has throuble updating timely its GPUs being a major factor of Mac delays.

Over half of the Mac line up doesn't have a discrete GPU. So whatever AMD is doing in dGPUs isn't holding up any product there. dGPUs is not what is the major driver issue here. You are in fan boy smoking something mode if you think so when it comes to the overall Mac platform.


The Article, exercises a pathetic Marketing analysis on the idea about less updated products means user's inventory to keep value longer: this is pathetically false,

Eh? The typical for this forum.... refuted claims that no one made in the first place. The "Mac update cycles are not an accident" section doesn't make that assertion at all.

The 1-1.5 year pacing Apple has typically been on matches up with the description there. What that section in AppleInsiders 'analysis' does not do is explain or justify the the broad lengthening of the cycle. Doing too many too often is a problem ( not false at all). When working well Apple has to tip-toe a line of being predictable (updates coming) but also unpredictable (not 100% sure when they are coming). Too much on one or the other of those is a problem.

Lack of products updates promotes user migration to other platforms where they can run the same application (as photoshop) on faster new hardware or just bring back access to hardware not being offered anymore by Apple (as nVidia CUDA).

1. CUDA is really a software, not hardware, problem. Apple (and others) misfires in software are why that is an issue; not hardware.

2. Really short cycles isn't going to get significant better performance differences. There needs to be some gap to get a bump. Going comatose for 3+ years isn't really about that.



Neither the article explains how a company selling 100x more products than liiliputan Zotac (which develops N custom models each year) dont have interest to update a mac mini or a mac pro, which notwithstanding being the cheapest or less popular Mac both paid many times its development cost.

Apple makes in about two days what Zotac earns in a year. What Zotac is doing won't move the neddle at all at Apple.... or even solely in the Mac division.

It isn't about development cost it is about return on investment.


I have an better explay: Apple Mac business is being mismanaged, by a team of little oversight executives doing almost nothing on time and distracted on thins nott attained to them (as apple media business, which provides similar income but at almost 40x the cost -accounting the costs, beats and music are olympic failures-).

This is fundamentally flawed. The basic structure of Apple is by function unit. It is extremely unlikely the wifi-bluetooth, CPU logic board design, or GPU driver folks are deeply mixed up in iCloud services issues at all. They aren't being distracted.

The "Hollywood' folks Apple has weaved in are problematical, but they aren't the core of the Mac problem.

The number of Macs sold has gone up over last 2 years ( and up even more versus 4 years ago. ). That's actually in a better shape directionally than the iPads. So when wielding the "mismanagement" tag you are going to need better illustrate points than those to get traction. I think AppleInsider is sweeping some of the problems under the rug in that posting ( perhaps I'll get to that tomorrow. ). In short, though the problem here is more so long term versus short term management. The folks managing the Mac have not adapted to the current market environment very well. There are some trends that are in a "happens to work OK" mode at the moment but there are long term issues coming.


The Case of the Mac Pro is very special, this is the machine used by advanced developers, no mac pro means iOS users need to comfy with apps and content developed in iMacs (no imac can run advanced Machine learning, neither do 8K post processing neither 3D AR/VR stuff), even loosing money on the Mac Pro Apple need this product to be continuously updated .

Alot of iOS apps are development on laptops. The notion that Mac Pros are required to get the vast majority of iOS apps out to market is grossly flawed. The "sales pitch" that Apple should dump tons of money into the Mac Pro and loose money on them isn't going to fly inside of Apple. That is about a specularly lame an argument as some of the nutty stuff AppleInsider churns out.

iOS users are consuming 8K content. Really?
iOS users can't do AR? So what were those millions of Pokemon Go users doing? 100's of millions of Snapchat photos?

The workstation market the Mac Pro is in is doing what overall? "special" in so far as it has a unique set of market drivers; yeah to some extent. "special" in that it is a prima donna market and requires not-quite-rational treatment? Nope.

The Mac Pro isn't the Mac market. It isn't the major strategic linchpin to the product line up.
 
They also might be waiting to use Apple Park (or better, the SJ theatre) to present new hardware. It may change the schedule of hw presentations for the time being and give us a WWDC rich in hw.

Not sure Apple is this lazy and dumb. If they have a finished product, ready for production they should launch it. That was the whole point of getting away from "MacWorld", fixed in time every year product events. Work on products and release them when ready.

Yes the iPhone is on a yearly deadline but seems to be starting to have adverse effects on the company. The sales are increasingly stalling in the Summer months ( June , July , August) building bigger and bigger launch bubbles.

WWDC is at its heart a software developers conference. It makes absolutely zero sense to horde hardware and drag it into a software focused conference.

Spectacularly even less sense to horde it to into opening of an office complex. ( San Jose is much closer so won't be surprising if there is "come look at the new Apple holy cathedral complex" event one evening at WWDC. )


The SJ Theater isn't going to be ready for a longer time.... That would be like a sequel to "Dumb and Dumber" to squat on finished products that long. Probably targeting Sept and/or the October events for that.

The iPad update got rolled out. Most likely that is exacty what is going to happen with some of the Mac updates this year. ( that aren't in the October window. ... holiday buying season driven into filling that window with something ipad/Mac. )
 
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I may well be wrong, just seen the MR post about ACD supplies drying up. Since a possible replacement 5K ACD would almost certainly be designed around DP1.3, and Fiji only supports 1.2, I now feel Polaris/Vega is more likely.

Sadly, this could still mean OS X doesn't get Fiji drivers, but then if Polaris/Vega is available, I guess that isn't such an issue anyway.

Re drivers, I would suspect the site bootcampdrivers.com may well come up with Fiji drivers if the Mac Pro goes that way. Their latest Crimson Drivers work very well on my Mac Pro in Windows 10 Anniversary.
 
Over half of the Mac line up doesn't have a discrete GPU. So whatever AMD is doing in dGPUs isn't holding up any product there

You're wrong, Apple delayed the non dGPU tbMBP13 on AMD delays for the MBP15 dGPU, if you where rigth Apple could have been launched the tbMBP13 months (almost a year) before the tbMBP15 coz this model dont need AMD dGPU.

1. CUDA is really a software, not hardware, problem.

Whatever you need nVidia Hardware to run CUDA, and HPC developers preffer cuda over OPENCL for a reason, and of course Metal its just an bad joke from apple.

It isn't about development cost it is about return on investment.

The lower ROI from the MP and mac Mini doesnt means Apple losses money developing it, what losed when freezes these are a full option ecosystem, to day tha Mac Ecosystem is disfunctional w/o a Mac Pro and a Mac mini.

The "Hollywood' folks Apple has weaved in are problematical, but they aren't the core of the Mac problem.

I disagree with you, if 'hollywood guys' where more involved on what they should do the Mac line will be brigther and not just dissapointing.

I think AppleInsider is sweeping some of the problems under the rug in that posting

Aleluya... a piece of sense. it so obvious you cant go sideways.

The folks managing the Mac have not adapted to the current market environment very well.

So, this is not an excuse for the Leading Tech Corporation, its like to say New Nasa Managers don't understand well how to fly a new plane...

Alot of iOS apps are development on laptops. The notion that Mac Pros are required to get the vast majority of iOS apps out to market is grossly flawed.

Amateur programmers building bare social apps, maybe, not those developint machine learning related solutions.

Did you hear about Samsung's Bixby, read what Renee Ritchie said about it:


Renee Ritchie said:
http://www.imore.com/samsung-galaxy...=slider&utm_campaign=navigation&utm_source=im
Samsung bought Viv, the latest virtual assistant product from the creators of Siri. That might be why Samsung positioned Bixby as less of a personal assistant and more of a voice interface. I loved that, because it put the focus on accessibility.

Apple has been championing accessibility for years but, despite being able to tell Siri to take a selfie, I still can't tell it to rotate a picture, edit a contact, or do any of the thousands of smaller interface interactions I do each day. And I really want Siri to do that, ubiquitously, throughout iOS.

Bixby also showed ideas Apple has already implemented but not taken to their logical conclusions. For example, we got "remember this" with iOS 8, and I can use it to bookmark the precise point of a podcast, the contents of a message, or page of a website and have it recorded to Reminders. But, two years later, I still can't say "Read this", "Message this", or do anything else with it.

Making Siri not just a virtual assistant but a complete, consistent voice interface would be a huge win for everyone.

Did VIV use a Mac Pro (or even a Mac Pro equivalent Xeon E5v2/ATI W8000) to develop Bixby? I bet you they dont, people here involved in machine learning are buying latest Xeons Plus latest nVidia 1080Ti to build next-gen AI, you can do that on a Mac, and independent Mac Devolpers wont offer new AI solutions until Apple get current.

iOS users are consuming 8K content. Really?
iOS users can't do AR? So what were those millions of Pokemon Go users doing? 100's of millions of Snapchat photos?

iOS users maybe consuming 8K content inadverly as most 360 videos in high res acually are recorded as an 8K frame, just displaying the HD portion related to the POV, compiling those videos requires 8K-like processing, you can do that on curren Mac Pro.

The Mac Pro isn't the Mac market.

Uhh? so Professional users aren't Apple users, so Do I need to become a fashionist so apple would release a Mac Pro for me (one in red or pink, with no GPU, no CPU, no Memory, just an case for needles inside)
 
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