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I just noticed this. A couple of weeks ago, Tim Miller posted this photo of his edit bay for "Terminator: Dark Fate." It's very obviously a Mac that's not an iMac. That means it's either an old Mac Pro, or a Mac Mini... unless the new Mac Pro is out in the wild at Paramount and other studios, being tested.... I smell NDAs.... hmmm....

What's that space grey boxy item on his desk? Very interesting....

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I think they meant "modular" as in a separate display from the computer.

Which is why they said it has "always been a modular system"... meaning its display was separate. Which is the opposite of the iMac Pro.

We will have to wait and see what Apple actually reveals, but when they say "modular", I believe they were talking about separate display from computer, not replaceable internal components.

You are completely right! These rumors of a lego-type modular system are peoples misinterpretation of Apple's use of modular. I saw somewhere Apple even mentioned the current Mac Pro as modular but can't remember where.

But if you see the quote below from Schiller (Mea culpa 2017) it is pretty clear that what they mean. And at that time they probably just had gathered a team to start working on the new Mac Pro so it would make no sense at all to reveal any details from the drawing table.

«As part of doing a new Mac Pro — it is, by definition, a modular system — we will be doing a Pro display as well. Now you won’t see any of those products this year; we’re in the process of that. We think it’s really important to create something great for our pro customers who want a Mac Pro modular system, and that’ll take longer than this year to do.«
 
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It is really very interesting to discover, one day, what is the meaning of the word "modular" in Apple's Dictionary.

Till now we have guesses ranging from vapourware-> sealed brick-> something near, but less for sure, to 2012 MP...
 
It is not a LaCie, pushed up the brightness you can see a round knob in the center of the front side panel of the unit facing the user. This is a typical form factor for multichannel audio pre-amp / controller that the editor would like to use in his face while editing. A close example is SPL VOLUME 8 (it is probably not what's on his desk but close).

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I would really rather see:

Processors: 7nm Zen 2 Ryzen Threadripper 3
  • 3990WX 64C/128T, 3.5GHZ/4.2GHz, 250W
  • 3970WX 48C/96T, 3.5GHZ/4.2GHz, 250W
  • 3950X 32C/64T, 3.7GHz/4.4GHz, 180W
  • 3920X 24C/48T, 3.7GHz/4.4GHz, 180W
Memory: Quad-channel, ECC DDR4, eight DIMM slots, maximum 256GB BTO, 64GB standard (4 @ 16GB DIMMs), user serviceable

Samsung A-die DIMMS, high-speed, low-latency, high-density, up to 32GB sticks

Storage: T2 (T3?) with dual Apple-proprietary SSDs in RAID, ~5GB/s read and write, 2 TB standard, up to 8 TB BTO

Graphics: PCIe 4.0, two triple-width slots (x16, x16), one double-width slot (x8)
  • AMD Radeon VII, 7nm Vega 20, 60CU, 16GB HBM2
  • AMD Radeon 5900, 7nm Navi 20, 64CU, 8GB GDDR6 (available Q2 2020)
  • AMD Radeon 5800, 7nm Navi 10, 56CU, 8GB GDDR6
  • AMD Radeon 5700, 7nm Navi 10, 48CU, 8GB GDDR6
Triple-width slots give dual-width GPUs room to breathe
x8 dual-width slot for the 12G SDI 8K video I/O folks, or a wicked fast NVMe-based RAID card

Ports: four TB3 / USB-C, four USB-A, dual 10Gb Ethernet, one 3.5mm headphone jack

Bringing this back around, with TB3 showing up standard on the new ASRock X570 ITX motherboard...

TB3 on the AMD platform could very well be a sign of Apple switching to AMD for certain segments of its CPU usage...

And yes, I changed some of the Navi bits, but we really don't know much about them right now anyway...

Threadripper 3 dropping off of the 2019 AMD road map & no real Navi info until a week after WWDC seems kinda suspicious...!

And maybe a Threadripper 3 Mac Pro makes an all-AMD Hackintosh easy peasy...!?!
 
At any rate hard to believe Apple would just hand out a loaner of an in-development box just like that. To a customer in the media business and to be placed in their office where (I assume) the team has access to? No way.
 
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At any rate hard to believe Apple would just hand out a loaner of an in-development box just like that. To a customer in the media business and to be placed in their office where (I assume) the team has access to? No way.
Or conversely, there is no way a Hollywood production would try their luck with a prototype machine in any part of their actual workflow.
 
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Bringing this back around, with TB3 showing up standard on the new ASRock X570 ITX motherboard...

TB3 on the AMD platform could very well be a sign of Apple switching to AMD for certain segments of its CPU usage...

1. TB isnn't "standard" on the motherboard. There is a header for an optional TBv3 add-in card. It is far closer to being an option.

2. That ASRock motherboard family where there is an optional TBv3 motherboard also has
i. Intel Ethernet chip.
ii. Intel Wifi chip.
In other words the motherboard is using Intel chips for other standard I/O also. Thunderbolt is just one of the three Intel I/O chips being used on some of this specific motherboard family.

USB4 is coming. Thunderbolt v3 will be present in another year or so anyway if AMD boards are to incorporate it. It is coming anyway, so AMD dragging their feet on boot firmware support would be suciidal for them at this point ( as opposed to 3-4 years ago when they are all-out to block Thunderbolt expansion. That horse left the barn last year as the USB-IF started to pick TBv3 up. )


Threadripper 3 dropping off of the 2019 AMD road map & no real Navi info until a week after WWDC seems kinda suspicious...!

Threadripper 3 dropping off isn't all that suspicious. Ryzen 9 12 ( and later 16 ) cores at around $500-600 is going to do more damage on the Intel product line than trying to compete with a "stuck in the mud" Intel W line up. AMD has a lmited number of 7nm wafer starts. They are throwing those at mid-range dekstop CPUs and mid-range GPUs. Next in line is Epyc ( because the margins are higher). And then Threadripper when they have "extra' 7nm wafers to use.

I suspect AMD expected to get Navi started earlier and when it slid backwards it caused a mini-log jam for AMD. Not as bad as the Intel 14nm log jam but they are not in the "can do everything for everybody" position anymore. Intel pushing the Xeon SP line up out with partial fixes at higher priroity means the AMD can't sacrifice 7nm quuue allocation for Eypc at all. If the Epyc orders are running higher than expected ( very credibile reports of Eypc design wins are dramatically up for 2019 ) ... even more so.


As for Navi at the E3 conference. You are kidding right. It is the foudation GPU for both the next Xbox and next years PS 5. Why would it not be more deeply revealed at E3? Navi is some Apple specific plot on the GPU space.... perhaps in some alternative universe.
 
Bringing this back around, with TB3 showing up standard on the new ASRock X570 ITX motherboard...

TB3 on the AMD platform could very well be a sign of Apple switching to AMD for certain segments of its CPU usage...

1. TB isnn't "standard" on the motherboard. There is a header for an optional TBv3 add-in card. It is far closer to being an option.

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Note I stated the ITX board, which, pictured above, has what appears to be a fully integrated TB3 port on the rear I/O there... No add-in card needed...
 
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Note I stated the ITX board, which, pictured above, has what appears to be a fully integrated TB3 port on the rear I/O there... No add-in card needed...

That is different. My goof, I got that mixed up the ASUS line up ( so far) has it optional only. But same thing on rest of the line up optional with Intel Ethernet and Wifi pretty much standard on both ASUS's and ASRock's set up. Thunderbolt isn't the only Intel I/O chip that is pervasive here.

Space wise this iTX adds it standard but the baseline work is being done. USB4 looming on the horizon, this shouldn't be surprising at all. ( nor surprising that Intel is probably offering some sort of "buy all 3 and get a bigger discount" special that more than a few of the board vendors are using. )
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After 501 pages of conjecture, it seems that some people never read or completely forgot what Phil said during the infamous Mea Culpa.
I'll cherry pick a few points to get people back on track:

"As part of doing a new Mac Pro — it is, by definition, a modular system — we will be doing a pro display as well."

(Mac Pros have always been modular since forever— so the Lego theory is just pie in the sky. What isn't modular? iMac & laptops)

"So we see a really interesting complementary role for our silicon working with Intel. And we certainly work with Intel on our needs to deliver chips into our Mac roadmap and we see that continuing."

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So sorry all you AMD & ARM daydreamers, the next MacPro CPU is gunna be Intel's and by default that means Xeons).

I'll leave that there. There are more hints as to what it may be like (capable of accepting a single powerful GPU and capable of being upgraded BY APPLE in the future- if anyone cares to read the transcript carefully.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/06/t...-john-ternus-on-the-state-of-apples-pro-macs/

But put this into context. This is April 2017. The Meltdown/Spectre didn't blow up full blast until May-June. Intel's roadmaps had 10nm going to volume production in early 2019. Intel was probably shopping NDA roadmaps of 2nd generation Xeon W going live in Q3-Q4 2018.

"... I asked an Apple source last fall why it took so long for Apple to release the new MacBook Air. Their one-word answer: “Intel.” ..."
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2019/05/01/cook-maestri-intel

Intel made a number of moves the rest of 2017 and into 2018 to piss off Apple. If they went extremely deep into 2017 without a clear explanation of their 10nm "too much , too quickly" screw up; that would have pissed off Apple even more. The notion that Intel has a 100% lock in on the Mac Pro going forward is a stretch. Late 2017 (latest very early 2018) AMD was very likely showing Apple 12 core Ryzen 9 on the horizon and the last Falls 12nm Threadripper update. ( AMD has goofed on Vega and Navi has slid a significant amount too so their record isn't spotless ).


The ARM for Mac Pro stuff is more clear fantasy. But changing "horses" for desktop Macs .... that should have popped up at Apple after this April meeting. "work with Intel on our needs". It is extremely likely that jacked up 10nm schedule and Meltdown/Spectre/MDS was not on Apple's "needs" list.

Apple probably did want to leverage some baseline overlap between iMac Pro ( which was far along at that point) and the Mac Pro. Intel had the inside track to getting a win for the Mac Pro, but they also did some things to shoot themselves in the foot. Apple probably would follow the conservative path ( just today tossed out a barely warmed over iPod Touch. ), but it is highly likely they were also talking to AMD in the background all along around this same time period. They were telling more than just Intel what their "needs" were.
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I just noticed this. A couple of weeks ago, Tim Miller posted this photo of his edit bay for "Terminator: Dark Fate."...

What's that space grey boxy item on his desk? Very interesting....

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Work being done on an "ultra wide" display. Probably more so a "very interesting" as to backing up the notion that Apple's 6k3K pro display is more of an Ultra-Wide than in their traditional ratio. ( and incrementally that could be a direction for a future iMac Pro )

With respect to the Mac doing the heavy lifter here..... the about zero requirement that it sit prominently on top of the 'desk'. ( as other devices are competing for that space. )
 
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Looks like a Twelve south HiRise pro for iMac
Are you talking about the monitor that’s high up? That’s a reference display, not an iMac screen. That Mac he’s using is definitely not an iMac. None of those three screens are Apple displays. I guess he’s just using an old Mac Pro or a Mac Mini.
...hard to believe Apple would just hand out a loaner of an in-development box just like that...
It’s actually extremely common for industry professionals to test products before a major release. But you’re right that it seems very un-Apple to let something out in the wild like that. Apple did, however, already say that they have a massive team of industry professionals testing the Mac Pro as part of their pro workflows team, so you never know...
Or conversely, there is no way a Hollywood production would try their luck with a prototype machine in any part of their actual workflow.
It’s actually very common for industry professionals to test out prototype devices, and if they’re good, use them in their workflow. It’s a completely realistic scenario. See response above...
 
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As far as actually sitting on the desktop, the iMac AIO form factor has got that covered nicely.

To me, casing for the MacPro should support under/side of desk and rack mount. The cMP's curved handles were a great way to ensure decent airflow, especially when sitting on the floor - but sucked balls for rack mounting. If there wasn't a premium on radical new designs - the Apple cool factor - I'd actually redesign the old cheese grater.

For starters, the whole rig needs to fit into standard 19" racks. I'd even design the handles to serve double duty as rack mount attachment points. Assuming the main case is around 14" by 3 or 4RU (19" with handles), it would maintain the protected air space when sitting on the floor for better cooling metrics. As someone who often needs to take more than a laptop into the field, I'd also make the handles more ergonomic while I'm at it. Perhaps most critically, I'd want to follow the lead of the cMP and have things like sleds/brackets that facilitate changing internal components.

Odds of Apple doing anything like the above...
 
While Tim Genius and his phone company tinker around with computers there seems to be a surge of companies that see a niche for the creative market.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...d-the-15-inch-apple-macbook-pro/#e2f85154d7b5


I bet you marketing had an orgasm when he squeezed out this line :

"NVIDIA Studio pairs RTX GPUs, which enable real-time ray tracing, AI processing and high-resolution video editing, with studio-grade software to surpass the growing demands of today’s creators"

That is pretty dense with keywords and selling points

RTX and DLSS have become a bit of a punchline, and probably a significant reason why there is a growing desire in some groups for AMD not to botch up navi.
 
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Oh I agree the iMac Pro is not going anywhere. Apple will be able to position the Mac Pro and Pro Display above it (especially if it is ~32" and 6K resolution). But I just can't help but believe the iMac Pro was meant to replace the Mac Pro at the top of the line-up. But the W-Series Xeons were the first that could actually work in an iMac chassis, so perhaps it always was a case of "we will do a new Mac Pro eventually" and the iMac Pro became a "hey, we can make a more powerful model that better meets the needs of some of our Pro Software customers than an Core-i7 iMac" as a complimentary model.

the "iMac Pro' was coming sooner or later anyway. Wheather in 2017 or 2019 it was coming. AMD getting back in the game versus Intel meant that something like the Rzyen 9 ( >10 cores in a ~100W TDP envelope ) was going to happen by 2020 in the x86 solution space.

It should have been clear in 2015-2016 if looped into the advanced R&D that the very high core count was going to shift to packaging multiple dies.

Apple did the iMac Pro because

i. It was easier. ( somewhat like slapping a A10 into a basically unchanged iPod Touch was easier. Avoids an "start from scratch" iteration through Industrial design choke point. )
ii. Because it was in demand from the iMac user base and that kind of "horsepower" was coming anyway.

[ that the RAM door disappeared an they could milk the RAM pricing was probably gravy on top. That made the product even less risky and more likely to meet Roi targets. ]

The core issue was that the 2021 iMac would probably be the iMac Pro 2017 in just a few more years.

All of that doesn't negative where the Mac Pro has traditionally sat in terms of performance coverage and expanded utility in configuration. The iMacs would be capped by the same basically sub 500W power lmit and internal volume constraints as the Mac Pro 2013 ( which didn't do as well as they wanted. It did OK to show that the iMac Pro could do well enough but a substantive number of folks refused for years to come into the space. )

So Apple covered the space they were already doing OK with. However, that doesn't mean it was the "replacement" for what they largely weren't covering well. So they laid out a less risky extention from the iMac to iMac Pro. Once they did that they would lay out another less risk extension from there incrementally farther. IMHO, probably same path of using some component and basaeline board/firmware work to 'share' some costs . (e.g., add power range to Mac Pro and cover that with more.. storage capacity , GPU dual , RAM capacity ( 4 more DIMMs) , and better CPU TDP flexibility.

This would be a longer redesign so it was queued up after

Yes, I could see Apple maintaining a very small "new products" team within the Mac Products Group that are only able to fully redesign a product every three to four years as they alternate amongst them. So each year they focus on one Mac family per year and that is the one that gets the redesign:

2013: Mac Pro
2015: MacBook
2016: MacBook Pro
2017: iMac Pro (which is perhaps why the iMac has not changed - the team spent their time on the iMac Pro, instead)
2018: MacBook Air and Mac Mini (they had the time to do both since the iMac Pro and Mac Mini were not full redesigns)
2019: Mac Pro
(2020 will probably be the MacBook ARM and then new MacBook Pro in 2021, followed by new iMac/iMac Pro in 2022)

But that is the primary point in that there was two cases that needed executive buy in. One is to keep the Mac Pro in the line up. Second is that the Mac Product line needs more concurrent and pipelined development. Same choke point so any major screw up that slipped in has even bigger blowback for a longer period of time. Apple waiting unitl 2021 to et their MBP faux pas fully worked out is risky. MacBook ARM ( same thing ... would be much less risky if forked out a group to run that in parallel with keeping the x86 Mac stuff moving while ramp up the ARM).

That tension of spreading folks out too thin is exactly the tension of why there is usually a push to kill X if add Y. PCs are evolving slower now so not quite as "thin" now as compared to the pace 10 years ago.

2005-2006 Apple flipped the whole Mac line up in 12 months. ( some rumors that the Mac Pro was largely 'outsourced' to some bodies/resources that Intel provided. )


Or is indicative that they will announce it at WWDC so no need to do so two months prior.

From the prospective of buyers who started their clocks in 2013 ( devoted to skipping the 2013 iteration) the product is 6 years late. If Apple was pragmatically almost completely done with Product verification there is zero rational reason o add 'extra' months to the reveal. None. It is grossly late. At that point they are not "building anticipation to delight". It is far closer to managing disappointment. They were 4 years late when they first started talking about it. It was going to be minimally 2 years they should have say "not this year" , but " at least 2 years out". The plan should have been to release just as prudently soon as they could. Not wait for some relatively arbitrary date.

Delaying to WWDC only makes any remote sense in that context that they were not done months ago and have perhaps barely squeaked close enough to either run a rigged demo or a static "not pure vaporware" demo.

If they were "enough for a demo" stage done 2-3 months ago what rational reason would they have to sit on it?????? They are over a 1,000 days late ( triple digits ). Running it up to (or over) 2,000 is a bigger 'win'?

If they are not at the "enough for a demo" stage now what would they gain by showing some mostly incomplete system at this point? That would aid in their competence reputation? Or diminish it. ( especially after the AirPower SNAFU and 4 iterations to a working keyboard drama. ).

Apple waited until the "last" moment to cancel the AirPower. If the new Mac Pro schedule is cluster-screwed up then they'll probably wait as long as possible to reset the expectations for an even later 2020 product. That wouldn't be done with fanfare. It is about equally likely they are going to serve up yet another "dog ate my homework" moment as do any grand demo. Apple ducking that April anniversary meeting time probably means that they were hiding "bad news" .... not triumphant.

They could have come out and said " No problems with the roll out schedule at all so far. Most definitely this is a 2019 product and you won't have to wait too much longer to see. Allocate your budgets at some sane point points because you'll want to spend money on a Mac pro this year. We are dropping the Mac Pro 2012 onto the Vindtage list because were are moving on. " that would acutally build hype for grand WWDC extraganza.

Apple has been doing 100% the opposite. Almost radio silence even less than a week before to build hype for WWDC grand reveal. If it is somewhat bad news that would line up that approach. Burying somewhat bad news would help protect the WWDC build up.


It is more or less what we got with the 2013 Mac Pro and 2017 iMac Pro: they showed a deck of slides with CG renderings during the keynote with a physical unit in the Hands On Area afterwards. I believe the 2013 Mac Pro was just an unpowered display unit under glass and while the iMac Pro was powered on, I do not believe anybody was allowed to do anything with it.

The gross disconnect is that the iMac Pro was not 4-6 years late. Even the MP 2013 wasn't 4 years late. ( Intel had no Xeon E5 in 2011 ( 2011 was a gap year for just about everyone in the higher end workstation space) so missing June 2012 was were the 'late' clock reasonably started for the Mac Pro in that timeframe. ). The MP 2013 was in the range of being only about a 12-18 late in debut. [ it was 18 months late in terms of shipping to a competitive market ]. Saddling the MP 2013 with TBv2 made it more so a 2014 product.

Apple didn't do a "repeat" of glass exhibit with the iMac Pro. That glass case wasn't a "good thing" in 2013. It was 'necessary' more than good. It isn't something to explicitly target for revival.


Well then the 2013 Mac Pro and 2017 iMac Pro as shown at their respective WWDCs were also "vaporware" as they were not shown on stage as a physical, working product and no one was allowed to actually touch them to benchmark performance after the keynote. I'm not sure they even showed actual working units to the media before the models shipped their respective Decembers.

Technically yes, vapourware ..... which why Apple would be slavishly trying to repeat that is dubious. AirPower blew up in their face. They grossly stumbled HomePod out the door after doing a big dog and pony for it.

One o the major things that Apple has done in the Mac Pro space is fumble away user confidence in their ability to execute. As much as folks rag on Intel's stumbles on 10nm this is actually worse ( Intel isn't 6 years late). This might work ... just don't blow on it too hard ( it might fall down) isn't going to build much confidence outside the 'cult zone' folks. Apple has screwed up enough stuff lately that some half-done demo is just that half-done.


Minimally, it needs to be at the point where the iMac Pro was. If they don't have that, then it probably isn't worth the trade-off of showing it.
 
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You are completely right! These rumors of a lego-type modular system are peoples misinterpretation of Apple's use of modular. I saw somewhere Apple even mentioned the current Mac Pro as modular but can't remember where.

But if you see the quote below from Schiller (Mea culpa 2017) it is pretty clear that what they mean. And at that time they probably just had gathered a team to start working on the new Mac Pro so it would make no sense at all to reveal any details from the drawing table.

«As part of doing a new Mac Pro — it is, by definition, a modular system — we will be doing a Pro display as well. Now you won’t see any of those products this year; we’re in the process of that. We think it’s really important to create something great for our pro customers who want a Mac Pro modular system, and that’ll take longer than this year to do.«

I think you have to take into account how Apple usually goes overboard.

If someone asks Ive to design a "modular" system he's going to do something crazy that's not just a tower or whatever. Ive makes statements, not towers for the workstation market.

Again, not a great idea. But it seems realistic for how Apple works these days.

I kind of doubt Apple's lesson from the 2013 is going to be that they need to have a more conservative design. If anything, I think they'll try to once again do something very different than other boxes on the market, just a different sort of very different. They don't want to compete head to head with workstations because that's tougher for them these days. They're going to want a gimmick to point to.
 
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Are you talking about the monitor that’s high up? That’s a reference display, not an iMac screen. That Mac he’s using is definitely not an iMac. None of those three screens are Apple displays. I guess he’s just using an old Mac Pro or a Mac Mini.

It’s actually extremely common for industry professionals to test products before a major release. But you’re right that it seems very un-Apple to let something out in the wild like that. Apple did, however, already say that they have a massive team of industry professionals testing the Mac Pro as part of their pro workflows team, so you never know...

It’s actually very common for industry professionals to test out prototype devices, and if they’re good, use them in their workflow. It’s a completely realistic scenario. See response above...

Agreed, testing isn't uncommon and people are usually happy to do that unless it's too timeconsuming to hook it up to their workflows but I bet Apple would never leave this thing unguarded in outsider's hands. I imagine that they have people come in and test it in Apple's own offices. They did that for the last one too if memory serves.

I'd say unless the computer he's using is an iMac pro with the main screen shoved out of the way to make space for the curved display then it's most likely a Trashcan that this editing software is running on. Corporate environment, machine needs to be under support and all that.
 
From the prospective of buyers who started their clocks in 2013 ( devoted to skipping the 2013 iteration) the product is 6 years late. If Apple was pragmatically almost completely done with Product verification there is zero rational reason o add 'extra' months to the reveal. None. It is grossly late. At that point they are not "building anticipation to delight". It is far closer to managing disappointment. They were 4 years late when they first started talking about it. It was going to be minimally 2 years they should have say "not this year" , but " at least 2 years out". The plan should have been to release just as prudently soon as they could. Not wait for some relatively arbitrary date.

I personally don't believe the 2019 Mac Pro is ready to ship, but I do believe it can ship by Year End 2019. Otherwise I'm with you 100% that waiting for WWDC if it could be available now makes no sense.

But as I believe it is not ready, choosing WWDC as the avenue to announce it's still coming makes the most sense to me because WWDC's keynote is the most widely-reported Apple keynote after the iPhone one each Fall.

The people actively waiting for a new Mac Pro are already on this forum and other sites reading every crazy rumor trying to learn what they can via Kremlinology. But for those who could be potential customers and yet who are not actively tracking, the Mac Pro's presence in WWDC coverage may ping their radars.

Also, depending on who Apple is aiming this new Mac Pro at, WWDC might be the proper place to announce it if it will not be shipping immediately. As much as people on this forum demand "nVidia or nothing" and post these massive server and workstation configurations they use or support, I don't see Apple working hard to try and win those people over. I mean even if Apple shipped an HP Z8 clone, who is going to pay the 20%+ premium just for the Apple logo up front then an HP one? If those workstations are running an OS other than Windows, it's going to be Linux so what would macOS bring to the table? A prettier GUI than X Windows (assuming they're not just running it via the CLI)?

The core markets I expect for this machine will be Apple Pro app users (Pro Logic / Final Cut Pro), iOS/macOS development and Apple technologies as they relate to AR/VR/ML (ARKit, VRKit, Core ML). Those folks will either be at WWDC or paying attention to that week.


Apple waited until the "last" moment to cancel the AirPower. If the new Mac Pro schedule is cluster-screwed up then they'll probably wait as long as possible to reset the expectations for an even later 2020 product. That wouldn't be done with fanfare. It is about equally likely they are going to serve up yet another "dog ate my homework" moment as do any grand demo. Apple ducking that April anniversary meeting time probably means that they were hiding "bad news" .... not triumphant.

Yes, it is possible that the Mac Pro is in a state where it cannot ship in the next twelve months or more. And if that is the case, then I agree with you that they will say nothing. So if we don't see a WWDC announcement, I will reset my EIS expectations into 2020 (or later).

But unless Apple is really implementing some of the more...fanciful..ideas being bandied about (like stack-able modules), designing a Workstation Class PC should not be pushing the edge nearly to the level AirPower pushed wireless inductive charging. So for me, I think the delay is more down to execution delays than fundamental design problems.
 
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I kind of doubt Apple's lesson from the 2013 is going to be that they need to have a more conservative design. If anything, I think they'll try to once again do something very different than other boxes on the market, just a different sort of very different. They don't want to compete head to head with workstations because that's tougher for them these days. They're going to want a gimmick to point to.

It'd be a lot easier for Apple if they just made a regular slot box .

The issues they have with the MP don't come from being more of the same, but from being different in all the wrong ways and coming with a proprietary OS .

Let's always keep in mind that Macs are OSX vehicles, they have no purpose beyond that .
Macs don't compete with PCs, OSX competes with Windows .

The less usable, for fewer users, and the more proprietary Mac hardware gets, the weaker OSX becomes .
Not to mention pricing .
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I think you have to take into account how Apple usually goes overboard.


The trashcan is the only product I recall Apple was going overboard with .
That and the original iMac .

Apart from that, how did Apple get that reputation of being crazy and avantgarde ?
In general, it seems to me they couldn't be more conservative in their approach to product development .
 
It'd be a lot easier for Apple if they just made a regular slot box .

The issues they have with the MP don't come from being more of the same, but from being different in all the wrong ways and coming with a proprietary OS .

Let's always keep in mind that Macs are OSX vehicles, they have no purpose beyond that .
Macs don't compete with PCs, OSX competes with Windows .

The less usable, for fewer users, and the more proprietary Mac hardware gets, the weaker OSX becomes .
Not to mention pricing .
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The trashcan is the only product I recall Apple was going overboard with .
That and the original iMac .

Apart from that, how did Apple get that reputation of being crazy and avantgarde ?
In general, it seems to me they couldn't be more conservative in their approach to product development .

Two Words

Steve Jobs.
 
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