Which is great and all but also not how I think Apple thinks about their hardware.
Ive doesn't sit around designing hardware that is only a vehicle for OS X, for better or worse. Apple doesn't take 3-4 years to design a simple vehicle for OS X.
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Which is great and all but also not how I think Apple thinks about their hardware.
Ive doesn't sit around designing hardware that is only a vehicle for OS X, for better or worse. Apple doesn't take 3-4 years to design a simple vehicle for OS X.
I work in the recording industry, while it is true that studios like to test out prototypes, but in our cases it is limited to a peripheral in a chain or at most a microphone during one of the the many sessions, never a core system. Computers in general already have enough problems running stock without issues.
But on second thought, it is not very far fetch that a post studio were offered to test a Mac Pro if it is just for cutting a trailer, not like the machine is being stuffed into the actual workflow of the main feature. (however, again, that box in the photo is very likely just a volume controller)
True, that is (conventionally) what 'modular' means, but what's absent from that statement is any inclination on if it is going to be proprietary, or if it is going to follow Industry standards to make it accessible by third parties.
Indeed, there's a huge flaw in trying to make things more profitable when it jeopardizes strategic long term business success.
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Well, just offhand:
- The Cube
- The G4 iMac (hemisphere)
- 20th Anniversary Mac
I think its been a growing trend of questionable design choices of questionable value-added or utility.
Many people make negative comments on how each OS updates touts having a new batch of emojis, but a clearer example (which applies to the young & old) is their killing off of existing designs (which used skeuomorphism) in favor of the 'flat' style which made icons harder, not easier, to differentiate, which is a step backwards in UI/UE.
As we know, all of this superficial fluff costs resources to perform, so when we see "the basics" get short shift while the eye candy gets attention, it leads to the conclusion that Apple has taken their eye off the ball and is now selling colored sugar water...
BTW, came across this in the news today:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1439...eg-x570-godlike-five-m-2-pcie-4-0-and-10g-lan
In a nutshell, it appears to tick off a lot of the technology benchmarks that people have speculated that Apple could have (or should be) waiting for in a vwMP, and/or have been on their own personal wish lists, such as PCIe 4 and multiple internal SATA & M.2 slots.
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The iMac Pro and the MacBook Pro could also be examples. The iMac Pro is somewhat reasonable but makes a lot of sacrifices to justify fitting in that same iMac profile. The issues with the MacBook Pro have been pretty widely documented and see to be Apple being stubborn on doing something different and pushing thinner and thinner devices.
I think I'm going to lose my mind if the Mac Pro isn't shown off on Monday. It's been WAY too long already.
...just as Apple is running away in the opposite direction.
There will be lots of screaming during MacWorldSF 2019.
Incorrect. The original 2.5GHz DP model from 2004 was the one with the leaks, although there were a few reports for the 2.7GHz 2005 model as well. There was also the 2.5GHz QC 2005 model, and they were fine.
I imagine most people forget about them because a) they didn't have the issues, and b) despite being the fastest PowerMacs they were pretty quickly eclipsed in the Intel transition.
I do not get why you keep referring to WWDC as MacWorld SF. It's just dumb.
if they dont then we will know its some over designed monster that wont see updates every 18 months like every other normal computer company and they are banging their heads on the themals and it wont be ready tlll june 2020
Swift on Windows now that it has a stable binary API would be more likely than those two. But not the whole XCode stack. A Mac Pro would be more likely than that.
I suspect Apple would like to have Swift on Windows to make it easier to port the Apple apps that run on Windows to share code with their Mac cousins. Microsoft provides a Visual Studio (VS) for Mac. If Apple did some work so that VS on Mac and Windows both had Swift in a supported fashion that would probably be an Apple dev ecosystem 'win' on both sides. [ As opposed to drama of getting the whole XCode stack up on Windows. Apple doesn't particularly need to do "tit for tat" with MS with VS being multiple platform. Apple should be far more afraid of MS putting full kernel Linux into Windows 10 and Docker/Azure/VM developer support they are adding in. I think Apple is either underestimate or under appreciating the bump they got out of being a nice "Unix" (POSIX) developer platform that also had good mainstream apps ( Office , etc.) ]
P.S. if Apple didn't do a new Mac Pro they would not require XCode on Windows at all. Between the evident path that the MBP 15" , Mini, iMac , and iMac Pro are going there is no super critical need for a Mac Pro to enable the core Apple software development infrastructure.
Obj-C on Windows is already a thing, and Visual Studio supports it. iTunes for Windows uses it, although probably not Microsoft’s flavor.
Not saying Swift on Windows won’t happen. But Apple already shares code between the platforms.
iTunes for Windows uses an environment that is kind of like Yellow Box. I don’t know if it’s derived from it, but you can see it’s got bits of Cocoa in it’s DLLs.
Flashback to 2017...
Phil Schiller: With regards to the Mac Pro, we are in the process of what we call ‘completely rethinking the Mac Pro.’ We’re working on it. We have a team working hard on it right now, and we want to architect it so that we can keep it fresh with regular improvements, and we’re committed to making it our highest-end, high throughput desktop system, designed for our demanding pro customers.
Sounds like a Threadripper 3 system with a full PCIe 4.0 system...?
PCIe 4.0 x16 RAID card with four M.2 NVMe SSDs, 15GB/s read/writes...!
5 1/2 days to go...
Phil Schiller: With regards to the Mac Pro, we are in the process of what we call ‘completely rethinking the Mac Pro.’ We’re working on it. We have a team working hard on it right now, and we want to architect it so that we can keep it fresh with regular improvements, and we’re committed to making it our highest-end, high throughput desktop system, designed for our demanding pro customers.
Sounds like a Threadripper 3 system with a full PCIe 4.0 system...?
PCIe 4.0 x16 RAID card with four M.2 NVMe SSDs, 15GB/s read/writes...!
5 1/2 days to go...
Well as I’ve been saying, 4 days to go and not one single leak or rumour, the only leak of what it apparently looks like has been proven as fake apparently...
Best start looking at those Windows machines, or an iMac Pro???
Not really. You snipped 'our' off the front of your bold highlight. It isn't "highest" across random desktop systems. It is across the Mac desktop systems. The iMac Pro leaves about x20 PCI-e v3 lanes on the 'floor' unused. Simply just hooking those up and using them would put a new Mac Pro in the "highest" category without much drama.
Threadripper 3 doesn't appear to be coming any time soon.
Cacade X is "Fall" ( possibly Q4 ) Xeon W is the same baseline die so probably not any better timing than that.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14429/intel-to-launch-new-xseries-cpus-this-fall
Threadripper dropped off AMD's 2019 roadmap slides but they haven't abandoned it.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-threadripper-roadmap-removal,39460.html
AMD is likely to "kick the can down the road" on Threadripper 3 about as long as Intel holds Xeon W (and -X ) in the queue.
If Apple went off chasing PCI-e v4 and USB4 which increased the timeline to heighten a possible slide into 2020 then that is bit loopy. TR2 and TR3 use the same socket. When it looked like TR3 was sliding substantially they could have shifted to TR2 and launched in April/May. If build the board for handle PCI-e v4 it should work with PCI-e v3 if don't do something extremely odd.
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The older legacy Apple apps are Obj-c but the "brand new" , created for the Marizpan future are also being solely done in Obj-C. iTunes is relic ( at one point , perhaps still is, some kind of QuickTime layer in there also in addition to dated YellowBox fork. ) Some rumors not that some more functionality is going to get pruned out on the next iteration.
It would make sense to do something similar on the Windows side and distribute the parts as relatively new appsvia the Windows Store. ( If Mac ARM is a suppose to be a trend then Windows ARM is actually a bit further along. Qualcomm cherry picked this a bit (e..g, non normalized screen size), but if with native code it does reasonably well.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/qualcomm-snapdragon-8cx-performance-benchmarks,39443.html
the Intel Core 10 series will probably come out on top.)
I wasn't thinking of a Swift for Yellow Box. For Swift to be more useful in robust context something that wasn't quite so dated on Window's APIs could get more broader adoption.
I think its gonna be cheese greater, but smaller.
There is no Threadripper 3 this year. If Mac Pro is coming this year, we can rule that out.
I don’t. Apple have proven that they have this ethos of being a company that shakes things up and thinks different.
They will not service those that want versatility, (ie slots, bays, sockets that allow a multitude of configuration in the actual device).
This will be nMP V2, or Cube3 if you like. Good job I don’t actually need bleeding edge performance.
As the dragons say, “I’m out”.
Pretty doubtful they have enough 7nm wafer starts to give anyone, including Apple, a first run. The Epyc wins they have are going to be higher priority than Apple would get ( higher price points and higher margins). Navi , Ryzen 3000 ... they have lots to do with a limited number of wafers. AMD has three products that people are pretty excited to get. Meanwhile, Threadripper 3 completing product at Intel seems to be sliding a bit. Some folks are excited about TR3 too but they also have limited alternatives to TR2.
It also would be very odd for Apple to pay significantly extra money to buy up everything 'early' to keep it out of the hands of other vendors.
First of all, Threadripper is not coming out this year and not expected to come out until Spring of 2020, it might not even use current 7nm process according to latest rumors. AMD was able to release previous gen Threadrippers because they were on mature process with very high yield. So they were able to harvest enough chiplets to cover all 3 segments.
They don't have that luxury with TSMC 7nm. Reason why only 2 Ryzen 3000 series SKUs have full 8-core chiplet while their highest core count one has 2 6-core chiplets, with rest of good 8-core chiplets going to EPYC.
Apple is not going bother something like getting a exclusive deal for like year ahead of everyone else for their lowest volume product by miles, this isn't 2005. And AMD is better off using their chiplets for their EPYC than much lower margin Threadripper.
Most people here don't know about the war room in the basement of the old MacRumors building. It hadn't been used in years but there was an emergency meeting there this past weekend and this was deployed! It will fly around the city of San Jose and Hover over the WWDC!
