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That would fit the "blow your mind' theme they have on WWDC. A large group of foks would be in 'freak out' mode if apple gets on stage and announces that. Even a mostly stripped down version.





Depends upon how manically focused on the single GPU performance there were. They could have bumped at Polaris but the top end GPU performance wouldn't have gone up much ( it would better handle inside the constraints).

By the time Vega came along they were at the iMac Pro stage of focus. And still would solve core issue of mismatch in TDP between CPU and GPU. ( iMac Pro just gives them room to be apart. )

When Polaris/Vega took so long to roll out that lead up time was probably spent doing mostly nothing. That would have soaked up much of that time span.





They could still put a third part card in a different thermal zone. The concept from ASUS puts the PCI-e slots on the back of the motherboard.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-prime-utopia-motherboard-concept,39469.html

It isn't an upcoming product, but indicative that Apple also can get trapped in that "super quiet" CPU and GPU cooling if get too myopic. For the standard CPU and GPU apple can couple that to some cooler at very low noise ( and not resorting to dampers to cover the noise after make it). However, blocking out a limited "3rd party" zone they don't need to hit the same noise levels ( and if noisy it is that other part's fault. some folks don't care. So they'll still be happy. )

Don't have to run off to completely seperate boxes in order to leverage some thermal barriers between components.

I still think we’re going to see a variation on an active backplane with plug in modules that resembles something like a typical 500 Series Chassis - https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RNDR10--rupert-neve-designs-r10-10-slot-500-series-rack - or a Cisco Chassis Switch - https://images.app.goo.gl/fZB1Xb1Xz9VKHKCYA - with removable modules, either vertical or horizontal orientation with a preset amount of space taken up by some common I/O (TB3, USB, 10Gb), the PSU and some fans for cooling. It will have a pretty front panel and possibly a rack mount kit option for those customers who want to be able to rack it and stack it.

How the pieces fit together and provide actual, tangible expansion is still to be determined. Just my 2¢.
 
I still think we’re going to see a variation on an active backplane with plug in modules that resembles something like a typical 500 Series Chassis - https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RNDR10--rupert-neve-designs-r10-10-slot-500-series-rack - or a Cisco Chassis Switch - https://images.app.goo.gl/fZB1Xb1Xz9VKHKCYA - with removable modules, either vertical or horizontal orientation with a preset amount of space taken up by some common I/O (TB3, USB, 10Gb), the PSU and some fans for cooling. It will have a pretty front panel and possibly a rack mount kit option for those customers who want to be able to rack it and stack it.

How the pieces fit together and provide actual, tangible expansion is still to be determined. Just my 2¢.

that would be horrible.
 
I still think we’re going to see a variation on an active backplane with plug in modules that resembles something like a typical 500 Series Chassis - https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RNDR10--rupert-neve-designs-r10-10-slot-500-series-rack - or a Cisco Chassis Switch - https://images.app.goo.gl/fZB1Xb1Xz9VKHKCYA - with removable modules, either vertical or horizontal orientation with a preset amount of space taken up by some common I/O (TB3, USB, 10Gb), the PSU and some fans for cooling. It will have a pretty front panel and possibly a rack mount kit option for those customers who want to be able to rack it and stack it.

How the pieces fit together and provide actual, tangible expansion is still to be determined. Just my 2¢.

Your suggestions are about as far away from Apples design philosophy and language as you can possibly get!

No, it’ll have round smooth edges and curves, like every single device they make and have done for years!
I doubt it’ll be another trash can, but this is Apple who doesn’t like to change the designs featuring those smooth edges and curves, for years.....
 
that would be horrible.
Care to elaborate? Cisco, Lucent and other vendors have used this approach for years to great effect. Ditto, music hardware vendors.

For instance, you buy the base chassis with one CPU module and X amount of DRAM slots, another module with a GPU (AMD or NVIDIA), a module with PCIe slots for your specialized cards (Red Rocket, SAS, RAID, PCIe storage), and have room to add a second CPU module with DRAM slots, up to one additional GPU (for a total of two per CPU module), a storage module for either SSD or traditional HDDs, a high efficiency fan module for users who render 3-D and need additional cooling...it satisfies the LEGO bricks rumors and allows the largest amount of flexibility to the end user. Pros don’t care about the aesthetics, as has been stated here, so a clean front panel covers it all up.

I won’t pretend to understand the engineering issues that might present themselves, so maybe that is what took Apple so long.

So, tell me what is so horrible about this approach? Considering it is really just the old cheesegrater approach taken just a bit further.
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Your suggestions are about as far away from Apples design philosophy and language as you can possibly get!

No, it’ll have round smooth edges and curves, like every single device they make and have done for years!
I doubt it’ll be another trash can, but this is Apple who doesn’t like to change the designs featuring those smooth edges and curves, for years.....

I didn’t say it wouldn’t have a pretty face/facade, did I? The Xserve and Xserve RAID are still the nicest looking rack server and rack RAID units I have ever seen in my life. Simply take that ID and update it along with making modularized components that plug in to a super fast, low latency backplane. The Mac Pro sits under your desk or in a rack and can easily slide into a Gorilla Case.

Again, Apple already did with the 2009-2012 Mac Pros. They just hid it behind a big aluminum door.
 
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It isn't an upcoming product, but indicative that Apple also can get trapped in that "super quiet" CPU and GPU cooling if get too myopic. For the standard CPU and GPU apple can couple that to some cooler at very low noise ( and not resorting to dampers to cover the noise after make it). However, blocking out a limited "3rd party" zone they don't need to hit the same noise levels ( and if noisy it is that other part's fault. some folks don't care. So they'll still be happy. )

I really think Apple got themselves caught out by the inability of Intel and AMD to meet their die shrink ship dates. The 2013 Mac Pro and 2016 MacBook Pro really strike me as machines designed around the expectation of future die-shrunk CPUs and GPUs running significantly cooler than what Intel and AMD ended up shipping. (And they were not the only one, our thin-line Dells and Lenovos suffer similar heat dissipation issues as our MBPs).

So I am hoping Apple is being a bit more pragmatic and skeptical about CPUs and GPUs getting significantly cooler and design in some headroom.
 
I really think Apple got themselves caught out by the inability of Intel and AMD to meet their die shrink ship dates. The 2013 Mac Pro and 2016 MacBook Pro really strike me as machines designed around the expectation of future die-shrunk CPUs and GPUs running significantly cooler than what Intel and AMD ended up shipping. (And they were not the only one, our thin-line Dells and Lenovos suffer similar heat dissipation issues as our MBPs).

So I am hoping Apple is being a bit more pragmatic and skeptical about CPUs and GPUs getting significantly cooler and design in some headroom.

Intel HEDT CPUs only seem to be going up in TDP, not down...so yes, I sure hope Apple realizes this and designed appropriately.
 
Care to elaborate? Cisco, Lucent and other vendors have used this approach for years to great effect. Ditto, music hardware vendors.

Have you every been in a datacenter ? Where these cisco switches, blade chassis servers, and such all live ? About as far from a 'serene' desktop experience as you can get.

The modular synth, and modular pro audio gear is fun, but different engineering challenges. A lot of that stuff is analog, low tdp, low bandwidth.

Modern computey type stuffs has bandwidth concerns that often necessitate exacting trace path lengths to memory slots, and storage interfaces ... slapping it on an backplane and now having to deal with timing variations from having the memory on a trace path that can be either 3 inches, or 2 feet from the memory controller doesn't sounds like an engineers idea of a good time.
 
Care to elaborate? Cisco, Lucent and other vendors have used this approach for years to great effect. Ditto, music hardware vendors.

For instance, you buy the base chassis with one CPU module and X amount of DRAM slots, another module with a GPU (AMD or NVIDIA), a module with PCIe slots for your specialized cards (Red Rocket, SAS, RAID, PCIe storage), and have room to add a second CPU module with DRAM slots, up to one additional GPU (for a total of two per CPU module), a storage module for either SSD or traditional HDDs, a high efficiency fan module for users who render 3-D and need additional cooling...it satisfies the LEGO bricks rumors and allows the largest amount of flexibility to the end user. Pros don’t care about the aesthetics, as has been stated here, so a clean front panel covers it all up.

I won’t pretend to understand the engineering issues that might present themselves, so maybe that is what took Apple so long.

So, tell me what is so horrible about this approach? Considering it is really just the old cheesegrater approach taken just a bit further.
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I didn’t say it wouldn’t have a pretty face/facade, did I? The Xserve and Xserve RAID are still the nicest looking rack server and rack RAID units I have ever seen in my life. Simply take that ID and update it along with making modularized components that plug in to a super fast, low latency backplane. The Mac Pro sits under your desk or in a rack and can easily slide into a Gorilla Case.

Again, Apple already did with the 2009-2012 Mac Pros. They just hid it behind a big aluminum door.

Sorry but no, those big boxes that take smaller boxes is not what Apple will do.

But I DO agree 100% with you on the X Serve and X Raid!
 
Have you every been in a datacenter ? Where these cisco switches, blade chassis servers, and such all live ? About as far from a 'serene' desktop experience as you can get.

The modular synth, and modular pro audio gear is fun, but different engineering challenges. A lot of that stuff is analog, low tdp, low bandwidth.

Modern computey type stuffs has bandwidth concerns that often necessitate exacting trace path lengths to memory slots, and storage interfaces ... slapping it on an backplane and now having to deal with timing variations from having the memory on a trace path that can be either 3 inches, or 2 feet from the memory controller doesn't sounds like an engineers idea of a good time.

Yes, I used to install switches, servers and the attendant stuff in data centers. Serenity depended on the equipment and the amount. Some was quiet, some sounded like jet engines. What is your point?

The CPU module would have the DRAM slots on board, along with the memory controllers and important logic board components. They in turn would need to be placed closer to the shared I/O with the Titan Ridge controllers right next to the ports...or perhaps the Thunderbolt, USB and 10GbE ports are also on the CPU module. Apple had the rear I/O on its own board with the 2009-2012 Mac Pro, IIRC.

Having the storage modules further away shouldn’t be a big deal, this is something that modern servers already deal with, correct? Besides, the main flash memory will be on the CPU module. The GPU modules might present a challenge as they had to be some sort of retimer on the backplane to deal with the longer signal length from the PCIe card, if in fact we get removable GPUs, which I don’t think we will (think GPU module). Additional PCIe slots would require retimers as well. The fan card wouldn’t.

Don’t you think Apple’s engineers would be up for something like this? Don’t they want to be challenged as well? Is that perhaps why it has taken 2-1/2 years to get here?

Just how radically different is it from the old 2009-2012 cheesegrater? Hasn’t technology advanced enough in 7-10 years to make a high performance backplane possible. Don't Cray and didn’t SGI make high speed interconnects their bread and butter?

Aren’t Apple engineers just “Think Different” enough to do it?
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Sorry but no, those big boxes that take smaller boxes is not what Apple will do.

But I DO agree 100% with you on the X Serve and X Raid!

I guess we will see what Apple has come up with soon...at least I hope so. Should Apple do what’s I outlined, you may hear an “I told you so”, just sayin’.
 
Care to elaborate? Cisco, Lucent and other vendors have used this approach for years to great effect. Ditto, music hardware vendors.

Apple isn't going to retreat all the way back to the XServe to re-imagine the Mac Pro. The more likely reasonable expectation is that Apple won't make something that isn't overly rack hostile. That is about as close to "rack oriented' they are probably going to get.

The aren't looking to fit into some data center rack or some rack-on-wheels. If it happens to fit; great. but it isn't going to be a primary objective. A data center room isn't a good place to go looking for standard Apple design cues. Apple probably will do a some more limited size reduction (relative to the 2006-2012 baseline dimensions) that will "happen to work" to make it less rack hostile, but not really rack friendly.

The standard I/O sockets will be fixed. Just like the previous Mac Pros ( and other Macs.)


For instance, you buy the base chassis with one CPU module and X amount of DRAM slots, another module with a GPU (AMD or NVIDIA), a module with PCIe slots for your specialized cards (Red Rocket, SAS, RAID, PCIe storage), and have room to add a second CPU module with DRAM slots,

Some variation on some blade server chassis. Not likely at all. Didn't even follow that in XServe heydays.



...it satisfies the LEGO bricks rumors and allows the largest amount of flexibility to the end user. Pros don’t care about the aesthetics, as has been stated here, so a clean front panel covers it all up.

Apple has never even remotely hinted directly that they are on the LEGO brick track. Their explicit prototypical example of modularity about external Displays. That is more than significantly far from the LEGO brick model.


I won’t pretend to understand the engineering issues that might present themselves, so maybe that is what took Apple so long.


I think folks who keep piling up the engineering complexity into an every taller stack to excuse the long delay are going to be deeply disappointed. This is probably not gonig to be some "Moonshot" / "invent warp drive" kind of system. Apple will have stuck some requirements some folks may not have on the system but most lkley it is going to be fairly straight forward in what they need to do. Apple probably didn't start full time resources allocation until 2017 time frame so much of the gap was spent doing not much that will have direct, specific impact on this system development time.

Couple that with a few "bet the farm" on delinquent components and that is probably the main bulk of the delay time.


So, tell me what is so horrible about this approach? Considering it is really just the old cheesegrater approach taken just a bit further.

1. A substantive number of folks who will buy a Mac Pro aren't going to put it into a rack. Under their desk. Some one their desk, but physically managed is rigid container is probably not the majority of the installs. Apple makes those deployment hard that will dampen sales.

2. Apple has very little interest in a BTO options page that scrolls on for "days' with every gewgaw imaginable. Overly complicated inventory probably means more folks inside of Apple itching to kill it. For a "nice to have" product as opposed to a "need to have" product that is not a good position to be in.

3 Since having a very limited amount of copious spare time has probably greatly contributed to the long upgrade cycle for the Mac Pro, a series of custom models just means more work. More work would lead to more time . Yet another super long refresh and probably going to get " death spiral product".

Apple needs something easier to keep up. That doesn't means they are simply going to run down to Fry's for parts update details. Something functional but not too complicated for the basics. In some limited incremenal augments more standard.


4. The decoupling of major subsystems like GPU and CPU from RAM really doesn't work well. It really doesn't buy much in cost effectiveness either.
 
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I still think we’re going to see a variation on an active backplane with plug in modules ...

Unfortunately, the days when a large back-plane like this would be practical are long gone. The signal trace length, the signal disruptions that the connectors would cause, and capacitance of the traces and connectors, etc., would be untenable at today's speeds.

Any general high-speed back-plane these days would almost certainly be limited to only a few connectors, e.g. something like 4, and those would need to be close together. (Thunderbolt gets around the distance issue to a degree by making each connection point-to-point rather than part of a bus, but with only 4 lanes rather than 16+.)
 
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Unfortunately, the days when a large back-plane like this would be practical are long gone. The signal trace length, the signal disruptions that the connectors would cause, and capacitance of the traces and connectors, etc., would be untenable at today's speeds.


Is that so ?
Seems to be working fine for other manufacturers .

And let's not forget that Apple isn't trying to fly to Mars, it's just a simple workstation that's supposed to work as well as the other ones for a change .
 
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I know what Modular means now. It means PCIE 5.0!

Final spec for PCIE 5.0 was just released. Meaning it's possible that Apple could be ahead of the curve or the industry in that they might have been mover of said standard (their GPU group or whatever it's called involved in the iPhone) just so they can put it in the upcoming Mac Pro.... Even eclipsing Intel to it...

I'm glad! This should squash AMD Ryzen this or AMD Ryzen that in future Macs. Phew!

Early signs of Ryzen 3 balloon-y expectation have already been slightly deflating and sinking from the sky towards the ocean... (where dolphins and other sea creatures will probably die eating said AMD-balloons thinking they're food)

AMD-Balloon deflation due to recent news of 12-core Ryzen 3... (where is the 16-core?)... and priced at... get this...

$499!

^^^

$499?!

I personally wasn't shopping to upgrade. But, before this news, I was thinking 16-core Ryzen 3 might be at $499. And, the 12-core will be battling the 8700k at around $300-$350...

But, nooooooooo!

Fine! You can get 4 more cores and 8 more threads for the same price as 9900K. Go do it! Upgrade your PC. I'm sincerely happy for you!

But, speculating Apple will huff on the same AMD-balloon ya'll like to huff on is not happening!

Apple is not a PC-enthusiast who sees cores as the magic holy grail and a couple of points in benchmarks as a sign that they need to also offer this magic, age defying CPU technology in their Macs, as well!

There is more possibility that Apple will implement PCIE 5.0 in the upcoming Mac Pro than them going Ryzen 3!
 
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Modules available.

A. CPU/Memory
B. Graphics Card
C. Storage
D. Mainboard

So we have four "modules" that are replaceable.

Use your Ps skills and design me a case that has three bays for modules and a singular side loading bay for the "Brains".


spit spot !!
 
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I should add, although I am not convinced it will happen, and I think iOS 13 for the iPad Pro will be awesome.
I do for the love of God hope Apple showcase a new Mac Pro, a new true power house innovative design, because I am sssooooooooooooo board of reading new beta this, new beta that in the Apple news! Who cares? Show us some sexy design super computer already! The iPhone Max and XR and new iPad Pros created the most interesting Apple news for ages as they were new designs ish.. every other Apple computer has been a rehash design wise.

Please let’s hope for some new Apple computer design eh? It’s like I went to the Apple store and was drooling over the fantastic new iPad Pros and looked at the iMac Pro next to them and just thought meh boring dated design!

If Apple can’t be bothered to update its iMac for several years, it’s laptops for I think it’s been four years now? The Mac Mini for several years. And it takes FOUR years to literally only change the processor in the iPod Touch, to show us they are not quite literally the laziest company design wise on the planet, they can bring a new fresh Mac Pro to the table?
 
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I know what Modular means now. It means PCIE 5.0!

Final spec for PCIE 5.0 was just released. Meaning it's possible that Apple could be ahead of the curve or the industry in that they might have been mover of said standard (their GPU group or whatever it's called involved in the iPhone) just so they can put it in the upcoming Mac Pro.... Even eclipsing Intel to it...

Fewer drugs might night help. SoC group on the bleeding edge of PCI-e since when?

AMD isn't moving to v5 until 2020 and Intel not until 2021. Apple isn't racing them.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...-5.0-roadmap-leaked-granite-rapids,39403.html


AMD-Balloon deflation due to recent news of 12-core Ryzen 3... (where is the 16-core?)... and priced at... get this...

While the yields to get to 16 core a probably worse than to get to their 12 core solution for now. AMD really doesn't need a 16 core Ryzen to cannibalize the Threadripper 2 while it placeholds until Threadripper arrives.

When Intel throws out their Comet Lake 10 core later this year AMD can just counter with the 16. Most likley AMD is holding back that product to step on Intel's rollout out later. ( similar game Nvidia plays on them from time to time. )


AMD's 12 core at $499 versus Intel's >$1K solution. Yeah sure, major trouble for AMD ..... not. It is Intel that has some pricing problems now.


Apple is not a PC-enthusiast who sees cores as the magic holy grail and a couple of points in benchmarks as a sign that they need to also offer this magic, age defying CPU technology in their Macs, as well!

There is more possibility that Apple will implement PCIE 5.0 in the upcoming Mac Pro than them going Ryzen 3!

Nobody sane was talking Ryzen for the Mac Pro. Most of it has been Epyc or Threadripper. Neither one is showing up in the next month or so.

The major reason for Apple to flip to AMD from Intel for the Mac Pro ( and rest of desktop line since it probably can't sit on an island with respect to logistics/volume discounts , firmware , and support ) is not PCI greater than v3 , core count , or magical 7nm implementation. It would be more so because they are delivering ( roughly on schedule). And Intel still hasn't proved they are back on the execution game path.

And what Apple needs extremely badly right now is to get back on the trust execution path. Less talking and more repeatable doing in a reasonable amount of time. That is worth more than tech spec porn PCI-e tidbit of the month.
 
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Fewer drugs might night help. SoC group on the bleeding edge of PCI-e since when?

I said mover. And, the allusion to SoC group was pure conjecture. The idea was that Apple is a mover/shaker so as the move to PCIE5 early would not be a surprise, nor a vision from drugs.

Your "Decontruction" needs more deconstructing... just saying...

AMD isn't moving to v5 until 2020 and Intel not until 2021. Apple isn't racing them.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...-5.0-roadmap-leaked-granite-rapids,39403.html

Mmm... I will just add your own quote so you can deconstruct yourself...

This one:

That is worth more than tech spec porn PCI-e tidbit of the month.

Meta-deconstructo deconstructoing itself.^^^


While the yields to get to 16 core a probably worse than to get to their 12 core solution for now. AMD really doesn't need a 16 core Ryzen to cannibalize the Threadripper 2 while it placeholds until Threadripper arrives.

Oh, god!

When Intel throws out their Comet Lake 10 core later this year AMD can just counter with the 16. Most likley AMD is holding back that product to step on Intel's rollout out later. ( similar game Nvidia plays on them from time to time. )

Oh, boy!

AMD's 12 core at $499 versus Intel's >$1K solution. Yeah sure, major trouble for AMD ..... not. It is Intel that has some pricing problems now.

I thought you were Mr. Deconstructo? Seems like you forgot to deconstruct, once again, the other $499 or so CPU that the Ryzen 3 12-core is trying to slot itself into....



Nobody sane was talking Ryzen for the Mac Pro. Most of it has been Epyc or Threadripper. Neither one is showing up in the next month or so.

Uhhh... did you fail to deconstruct this thread again? You post here a lot, yet, have selective memory.... this also includes the "sane" part of the quote, as if to suggest... you know... you know where I am leading to... right?

The major reason for Apple to flip to AMD from Intel for the Mac Pro ( and rest of desktop line since it probably can't sit on an island with respect to logistics/volume discounts , firmware , and support ) is not PCI greater than v3 , core count , or magical 7nm implementation. It would be more so because they are delivering ( roughly on schedule). And Intel still hasn't proved they are back on the execution game path.

Fair. But, I am saying what I said (More possible Apple goes PCIE5 than going AMD for CPU)....

And what Apple needs extremely badly right now is to get back on the trust execution path. Less talking and more repeatable doing in a reasonable amount of time. That is worth more than tech spec porn PCI-e tidbit of the month.

Trust execution path... my brain is deconstructing this at the moment... loading...
 
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It's not going to resemble in any way the 2013 trash can. Phil said it 2 years ago : "completely rethink the MacPro"
 
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I thought you were Mr. Deconstructo? Seems like you forgot to deconstruct, once again, the other $499 or so CPU that the Ryzen 3 12-core is trying to slot itself into....

Fair. But, I am saying what I said (More possible Apple goes PCIE5 than going AMD for CPU)....

Dude, 500 bucks for a 12C/24T consumer desktop CPU is a friggin' GREAT price...!

And Apple is not going PCIe 5.0 anytime soon, as there are zero CPUs that support it right now...

There is, however a certain semiconductor company that does have a working implementation of PCIe 4.0...

And has been said many times, no one is expecting the Ryzen 3000-series of CPUs in a new modular Mac Pro; if Apple were to go AMD, it would be Threadripper 3...
 
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Dude, 500 bucks for a 12C/24T consumer desktop CPU is a friggin' GREAT price...!

And Apple is not going PCIe 5.0 anytime soon, as there are zero CPUs that support it right now...

There is, however a certain semiconductor company that does have a working implementation of PCIe 4.0...

And has been said many times, no one is expecting the Ryzen 3000-series of CPUs in a new modular Mac Pro; if Apple were to go AMD, it would be Threadripper 3...

I already said this in post#12613

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Fine! You can get 4 more cores and 8 more threads for the same price as 9900K. Go do it! Upgrade your PC. I'm sincerely happy for you!

And, my "proclamation" and "declaration" of "Apple is more likely to come out with Mac Pro with PCIE5 than AMD CPU" is bold. But, I am willing to fall flat on my face for being wrong, though.
 
Nobody sane was talking Ryzen for the Mac Pro. Most of it has been Epyc or Threadripper. Neither one is showing up in the next month or so.

The major reason for Apple to flip to AMD from Intel for the Mac Pro ( and rest of desktop line since it probably can't sit on an island with respect to logistics/volume discounts , firmware , and support ) is not PCI greater than v3 , core count , or magical 7nm implementation. It would be more so because they are delivering ( roughly on schedule). And Intel still hasn't proved they are back on the execution game path.

I could see a Ryzen in a low end Mac Pro, most audio producers and video editors don't need more than 12 core machines (or 8 core -16 core), the only problem would be the cannibalisation of the Mac mini and iMac Pro. Epyc and Threadripper for the high End
 
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I could see a Ryzen in a low end Mac Pro, most audio producers and video editors don't need more than 12 core machines (or 8 core -16 core), the only problem would be the cannibalisation of the Mac mini and iMac Pro. Epic and Threadripper for the high End
"We have a team working hard on [the modular Mac Pro] right now, and we want to architect it so that we can keep it fresh with regular improvements, and we’re committed to making it our highest-end, high throughput desktop system, designed for our demanding pro customers."

That makes it sound like the Mac Pro will not be low-end - it will either utilize Threadripper or Xeon SP, not Ryzen. Then again Phil "my ass" Schiller said it, so who knows.
 
"We have a team working hard on [the modular Mac Pro] right now, and we want to architect it so that we can keep it fresh with regular improvements, and we’re committed to making it our highest-end, high throughput desktop system, designed for our demanding pro customers."
I've highlighted the word that makes this promise mean nothing.

(Actually, not "nothing" - but they are promising that it will be better than the Mac Mini....)
 
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