MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[fuchsdh]

If Apple waits until Q1 of 2017 to update the Mac Pro without even the slightest hint dropped then there won't be any pro users left to buy them, when they finally do arrive. October is make or break for a lot of people. Many of us have held out as long as possible, but now we're been backed into a corner and work needs to get done ('hello' HP Z).

I hate to say it but in the pit of my stomach I got a bad feeling.

Apple has never upgraded its entire lineup simultaneously, and for the most part in recent history the Mac Pro and MBP were updated at best at roughly the same time (give or take one or two months.) I mean, if people want to jump ship that's entirely their prerogative, but setting lines in the sand that are unlikely to be met by any reasonable standard makes me think you could have saved yourself a lot of heming and hawing.

 

[Aldaris]

Any rumors or speculation on an October event?

Is campus 2 due to be completed this year? Can only imagine that they unveil the new campus with new macs...

 

[deconstruct60]

Apple has never upgraded its entire lineup simultaneously, and for the most part in recent history the Mac Pro and MBP were updated at best at roughly the same time (give or take one or two months.)

I don't think the MP and MBP track records are that tightly coupled over the 2010-2015 timeframe. However, if the Intel gen 7 CPU packages with GT3 (Iris/Iris Pro ) GPU options are going to be just as delayed for gen 7 as they were for gen 6 , then it is quite likely the MBP is going to move in October ( to gen 6 because gen 7 isn't coming any time soon). If they were coupled then a Quarter later would put them in the Jan-Feb '17 window.

the CPUs, GPUs (at least 'pro' flagged versions) , and new iterations on TB don't really come at the same schedule for Mac Pro parts as they do for the different parts subset that the MBP selects from.

I mean, if people want to jump ship that's entirely their prerogative, but setting lines in the sand that are unlikely to be met by any reasonable standard makes me think you could have saved yourself a lot of heming and hawing.

Apple communicates by releasing new products. For example, the Mac Pro 2012 was a "We are still here and working.... just glacially slow". Incremental speed bump on just CPU. While there are no CPU options for the 2013's motherboard (since they jumped in at the end of a tick-tock cycle on CPUs), Apple could have bumped a GPU (e.g., gone to a GCN 1.2 card in a subset of the range; perhaps a mid range Tonga card to enable some OpenCL 1.2 progress. Or perhaps did a Nvidia card to tap down on that subset of moaners and groaners. ). Again a mea culpa that Apple is working a glacial speed.


it doesn't take 3 years to do something incremental. A new workstation should be something in the 1.2-1.75 year range worth of work for a reasonably resourced team.
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Any rumors or speculation on an October event?

if look at the front page of www.macrumors.com will see they mostly center around laptops.

Is campus 2 due to be completed this year? Can only imagine that they unveil the new campus with new macs...

Campus 2 is probably screwing up Mac rollouts as much as anything else. If folks are packing their offices and labs up to move (or spending time daydreaming about their new office if not already packing), then they aren't getting much work done. Moving is generally not a productivity enhancer.

ive running around designing custom furniture and doo-dads and inspecting the look and feel , fit and finish of Campus 2 probably isn't making any of the new products that people can buy go any faster either. ( Yeah he has been releived of the day-to-day management of the design team but sure he has to critique on the process somehow.... funnel everhting through Jobs is now funnel everything through Ive. )

A Mac event isn't going to be as big as the iPHone ( watch, etc. ) event. They could do it at Flint (short distance for Apple execs ) or Yerba Buena (short distance to press hotels in SF) or Cal theater in SJ with a smaller, more focused set of press invites. 1 hour (1.5 if an iPad ) presentation and done. They don't need anything near as big as the upcoming auditorium to pull it off. if just one Mac model then just needs a press release event ( and maybe a dog-and-pony road show to some key bloggers. )

 

[Aldaris]

Forgive me, I was (unclearly) asking more about dates rather than any product releases. More towards at least an eventual end of this madness, when we can start looking towards maybe a new MacPro in the March Event?

 

[rGiskard]

Despite what's geekbench said it's not the same platform as a desktop running macOS or Linux, this bench is not a pure CPU performance test as Apple marketing pretend you believe geekbench results vary depend on the system, iOS is not a full os its kernel deliberately don't support file lock and many core service mandatory on other kernels .

I'd like to see the A10 running the same kernel as Android 7 or desktop Linux to tell u the real performance of the A10 SOC.

Did you know HPC Clusters run a minimal kernel w/o unnecessary services removed in order to shrink the latest flop from the CPU.

iOS light kernel evidently has its drawbacks: while Android system can run process In a shared storage and memory pool even virtualize a full OS, things like this require an all new kernel for iOS.

iOS it's more like metal for GPUs and Android it's more like DX12.

I don't believe Geekbench is platform agnostic.

 

[deconstruct60]

Forgive me, I was (unclearly) asking more about dates rather than any product releases. More towards at least an eventual end of this madness, when we can start looking towards maybe a new MacPro in the March Event?

Dates. Apple gives the reporters about 1.5 week advanced notices (just enoung time before airfares take that final step higher). May hear some rumblings 2 (maybe 3 ) weeks in advance. If it is an internal Apple location they can squat on the info for a pretty long time without it leaking. At this point, you probably can rule out the 1st week of October. Around the 25-29th Apple will be doing FY reporting so they'll probably avoid doing a dog-and-pony product show around that time.


Not sure if Apple and Microsoft are jockeying around.... Mircosoft is rumored to be targeting an late October date for Surface stuff. If Apple intends to update the MBA so MS can stop clowning them with Surface Pro 4 ads then MS might want to release just after then to blunt that (with something new. Perhaps a just plan Surface 4.). Apple may not being trying to move their date, but may be trying to keep it away from them, just to throw them off balance.

 

[Hank Carter]

Pure hyperbole. There will probably be fewer but none? The is extremely unlikely.

That's not meant literally, but figuratively.

 

[Mago]

Any rumors or speculation on an October event?

Is campus 2 due to be completed this year? Can only imagine that they unveil the new campus with new macs...

New MacBook pro: 90%
New MacBook Air: 80%
New iMac: 75%
New thunderbolt retina display :60%
New Mac pro : 50%
New Mac mini : 40%

Macintosh user's disappointed :110%

 

[Zarniwoop]

New MacBook pro: 90%
New MacBook Air: 80%
New iMac: 75%
New thunderbolt retina display :60%
New Mac pro : 50%
New Mac mini : 40%

Macintosh user's disappointed :110%

This October very likely:
- redesigned new Macbook Air 13"-14" with Kaby Lake - U (same CPU as in the new Dell Rose Gold)

Maybe
- redesigned new Macbook Pro 15"-16" with Iris Pro 580 (or Kaby Lake equivalent). With dGPU?... double maybe.
- redesigned new Mac Mini with Kaby Lake U

If AMD APU is Apple's future, then this October
- new Mac mini
- iMac Classic

Next February
- Intel iMac's (if AMD, then already out in October)
- Most likely all Pro Macs (MBP, iMac Pro, MP)
- New security chip (if AMD, included in the SoC)
- APFS will become default filesystem
- New Pro keyboard
- VEGA dGPU
- new Time Capsule with APFS support (and maybe a connection to iCloud)
- If AMD CPU:s are Apple's future, a new Zen based APU
* iMac Pro with 4(8 threads) core ZEN
* Mac Pro with 8(16 thread) core ZEN
* And Apple's marketing team will do their best to explain, why 8 core Zen is better than 12 core Intel. Good luck.

Macintosh user's disappointed :110%

This.

 

[koyoot]

Zarni, the problem is that: first, you don't know what will be the top configs of AMD CPU's yet you build lineup currently based on this .

Secondly: Zen CPUs in low quantity will appear at end of this year(possibly), and with wide availability in 2017. There is no chance for Zen APU until Q2 2017.

Thirdly. For very long time we will have Intel CPUs in Macs. If anything will be based on Zen APU: it will be next generation AppleTV. Nothing more, nothing else in Apple lineup.

 

[Zarniwoop]

Zarni, the problem is that: first, you don't know what will be the top configs of AMD CPU's yet you build lineup currently based on this .

Secondly: Zen CPUs in low quantity will appear at end of this year(possibly), and with wide availability in 2017. There is no chance for Zen APU until Q2 2017.

Thirdly. For very long time we will have Intel CPUs in Macs. If anything will be based on Zen APU: it will be next generation AppleTV. Nothing more, nothing else in Apple lineup.

My logic is here: Apple wants to ready Mac's for HSA and full openCL 2.0. Now only Intel iGPU's are alone 100% capable. With dGPU, no change.

So, how should Apple proceed to this goal:
- No more new Intel + dGPU Mac's.
- Intel iGPU only.
- dGPU's with AMD APU & CPU only.

So, if HSA is the Mac future, this is the only way in x86 world. The other way is to jump out from x86 ship. Or sack dGPU's.

Bristol Ridge is coming out next month (it was released already, but available in October). Mac Mini and basic iMac could be run with it right away. In tests they're quite on par with current 4 core Intel i5 options. In 35W and 65W TDP class. For Mac Mini, Bristol Ridge would be a great improvement from current lineup.

I am waiting to see, will Apple release MBP soon, and if it is Intel + dGPU. If iGPU only, I think they are preparing for HSA. If with dGPU, give it at least another year before they'll start the transition.

 

[Mago]

According AMD the first Zen based laptop should go on sale on Q4/17 thus even with Apple approval there's won't be Zen MacBook or mini until then , the 8 core Zen APU may find home at the next iMac but I don't see those iMac before WWDC , a Zen based Mac pro technically could arrive q2/17 but I doubt it will happen very soon either.

Despite no mean I still believe a new Mac pro will be unveiled or at least announced the next month with only 2 GPU options (rx470/rx480) and a 3rd GPU available later (Vega or rx499), maybe we could see single GPU configurations.

 

[Zarniwoop]

Kaby Lake i7-7700K release seems to be near. If iMac update comes with that, then most of my predictions will be postponed to the future. macOS is not ready yet anyway.

 

[Digitalclips]

Again...

Mostly we know about 2016(hopefully) nMP 7,1 are personal assumptions and some "anonymous leaks".

Most rumors point to Introductions at WWDC with availability not earlier than Q4'16

• Should be Based on Intel C612 Server or X99 Workstation/ProSumer Chipset.
  
  
• GPUs x2 most leaks points to AMD GPU (Polaris and Vega) very few forum speculations still believe possible an nVidia based nMP.
  
  
• Thunderbolt 3 upgrade it's a logical evolution, as USB-C and HDMI2.
  
  
• CPUs Xeon E5v4 family most likely few rumors account on AMD Zen.
  
  
• Storage, it's also assumed as logical evolution either 1x NVMe on PCIe3 or 2xNVMe on PCIe2 2.5 GBps total throughput...
  
  
• RAM upto 256 GB possible as supported by C612 on 4 RDIMM DDR4 ECC Slot.
  
  
• Performance as Xeon E5v4 should be utpo 630GFlops compute FP64 (CPU only E5-2699v4).
  
  
• Performance on Upcoming GPUs speculatively should be (on each GPU) among 5.5Tflop FP32 (Polaris) to 9 TFlop FP32 (Vega) FP64 performance should be from 500GFlop to 4-5 TFlop.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss on possible configurations also share news and discussion on the probable nMP 7,1 components.

Everybody is welcome.

It would be nice if the existing Mac Pro could accept new parts such as more powerful GPUs etc.

 

[pat500000]

Sounds like mbp announcement would be a sure thing....and maybe imac.

 

[filmak]

I think that it will be a sure thing after their official release.
We have nothing sure at the moment.

 

[pat500000]

I think that it will be a sure thing after their official release.
We have nothing sure at the moment.

They are gonna have to release some types of hardwares otherwise it's business suicidal.

 

[JesperA]

Maybe Tim have introduced a 1'000 day update cycle for the entire Mac line

 

[mathpunk]

Maybe Tim have introduced a 1'000 day update cycle for the entire Mac line

The 12" MacBook was just updated earlier this year. #NotAllMacs

 

[Bubba Satori]

The 12" MacBook was just updated earlier this year. #NotAllMacs

Depends on how you define update..

 

[filmak]

They are gonna have to release some types of hardwares otherwise it's business suicidal.

iPads... the future is here.

 

[pat500000]

iPads... the future is here.

I don't think idevices only are feasible. Sure, people can do stuff with it...but overall circumstances..Tim will stab himself with that samurai sword..."whaaaah!"

 

[JimGoshorn]

iPads... the future is here.

Not quite yet. The next step will be - Mac Laptops, the power to be creative, now and in the near future. For the desk we have the iMac, the laptop on a stick (great description Aiden) and for your travels, we have the MacBook, the original Mac laptop. For everything else we have the iPad Pro, our true vision for the future of computing.

 

[filmak]

I don't think idevices only are feasible. Sure, people can do stuff with it...but overall circumstances..Tim will stab himself with that samurai sword..."whaaaah!"

Not quite yet. The next step will be - Mac Laptops, the power to be creative, now and in the near future. For the desk we have the iMac, the laptop on a stick (great description Aiden) and for your travels, we have the MacBook, the original Mac laptop. For everything else we have the iPad Pro, our true vision for the future of computing.

I do not think this too and certainly I don't like it or want it, but the boss said it "who needs a computer?"
So unfortunate... the only Apple devices with a timed yearly refresh and hype are the iPhones (best sellers) and after them the rest of iOS devices, at a lower priority, after these we have the anorexic MacBooks etc and last of all, at the end of their interest, is the MP, in any form or shape.
[doublepost=1474312517][/doublepost]Mac Pro is now a member of the endangered species...

 

[fuchsdh]

I don't think the MP and MBP track records are that tightly coupled over the 2010-2015 timeframe. However, if the Intel gen 7 CPU packages with GT3 (Iris/Iris Pro ) GPU options are going to be just as delayed for gen 7 as they were for gen 6 , then it is quite likely the MBP is going to move in October ( to gen 6 because gen 7 isn't coming any time soon). If they were coupled then a Quarter later would put them in the Jan-Feb '17 window.

the CPUs, GPUs (at least 'pro' flagged versions) , and new iterations on TB don't really come at the same schedule for Mac Pro parts as they do for the different parts subset that the MBP selects from.




Apple communicates by releasing new products. For example, the Mac Pro 2012 was a "We are still here and working.... just glacially slow". Incremental speed bump on just CPU. While there are no CPU options for the 2013's motherboard (since they jumped in at the end of a tick-tock cycle on CPUs), Apple could have bumped a GPU (e.g., gone to a GCN 1.2 card in a subset of the range; perhaps a mid range Tonga card to enable some OpenCL 1.2 progress. Or perhaps did a Nvidia card to tap down on that subset of moaners and groaners. ). Again a mea culpa that Apple is working a glacial speed.


it doesn't take 3 years to do something incremental. A new workstation should be something in the 1.2-1.75 year range worth of work for a reasonably resourced team.
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if look at the front page of www.macrumors.com will see they mostly center around laptops.




Campus 2 is probably screwing up Mac rollouts as much as anything else. If folks are packing their offices and labs up to move (or spending time daydreaming about their new office if not already packing), then they aren't getting much work done. Moving is generally not a productivity enhancer.

ive running around designing custom furniture and doo-dads and inspecting the look and feel , fit and finish of Campus 2 probably isn't making any of the new products that people can buy go any faster either. ( Yeah he has been releived of the day-to-day management of the design team but sure he has to critique on the process somehow.... funnel everhting through Jobs is now funnel everything through Ive. )

A Mac event isn't going to be as big as the iPHone ( watch, etc. ) event. They could do it at Flint (short distance for Apple execs ) or Yerba Buena (short distance to press hotels in SF) or Cal theater in SJ with a smaller, more focused set of press invites. 1 hour (1.5 if an iPad ) presentation and done. They don't need anything near as big as the upcoming auditorium to pull it off. if just one Mac model then just needs a press release event ( and maybe a dog-and-pony road show to some key bloggers. )

Oh, I agree. Even if it was offering a new GPU option or upgrade or dropping BTO prices, there's plenty Apple could do or could have done. Just saying that "well I guess I'm switching to Windows" over the difference of three months seems a bit melodramatic for me. Apple hasn't really changed in that you get new stuff when you get new stuff. If you need consistency they were never your best choice.