Agreed. However I think it's a matter of degree right now. At no point in Apple's history can I recall the Macintosh lineup being so stagnant. There was some concern with the previous generation Mac Pro with the 2010 -> 2012 update but at least there was one and the rest of the product line was receiving updates.
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Maybe these will get to the nMP:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-960-pro-evo-nvme-ssds,32721.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-960-pro-evo-nvme-ssds,32721.html
Haven't hit the 5,1's yet. I'd be surprised if they dropped a Mac sold in 2012.
960 released. 2TB on the nMP finally? But look at the price of the thing!!
I'm not sure the OEM 961 version that will probably go inside the nMP will be available in 2TB though.
I'm not sure the OEM 961 version that will probably go inside the nMP will be available in 2TB though.
While a nice thought, I don't believe there's any chance of them doing that, at all. Removal of the nMP GPU involves thermal paste. No way considers that a "user serviceable part" in the innovating ass handbook (these days, we're lucky they think ram is user serviceable on limited computers). Like it or not, 6,1 is designed to be handed down, tossed, but certainly not upgraded.
Long gone is the era of:
there is a couple other highly dubious projections, but this
is delusional. APFS is no where near ready do prime time in macOS.
"... By the time APFS rolls out for real, we hope to have spent a lot more time with more feature-complete prerelease versions. ... "
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/09/macos-10-12-sierra-the-ars-technica-review/8/#h5
It isn't feature complete ( if scroll up from that section can view details of missing stuff. Command line only interface, utilities used in the WWDC demo are missing, etc. ). This is the stage CoreStorage was the iteration before got narrowly used in "Fusion" in the following release. WWDC demo even sets the expectation at the next major OS release point timeframe for moving to default. That is likely going to be on the iOS ( watchOS , tvOS ) side where users and utilities aren't gong to use any tools or all of the breadth of the set up.
This is still a "Beta" stage file system. It isn't going final in 5 months or less.
Changing the file system on "point" release is is a gross sign of release management incompetence. That is not a incrementally, small, narrow kind of change.
Unlikely. [ If Intel's Iris Pro options continue to have extended roll out delays then maybe. ]
highly unlikely. [ The i/O bandwidth that Apple needs for a Mac Pro iteration isn't there. ]
The 6,1 is halfway through the minimum requirement to be placed on the vintage list. At the rate Apple is updating the Mac Pro even a 6,1 might not make the cut for the next OS release.
Not. Apple's policy isn't some mystery.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624
Clock starts ticking when the next product superseding it gets released.
4,1 -> 5,1 transition 2010 --> ( 2010 + 6 ) = 2016 dropped. ( 6 is in the range of 5-7).
5,1 -> 6,1 transition 2013 --> (2013 + 5 ) = 2018 dropped. ( since there is a 3 year gap between those two transition points Apple will likely select the shortest date in there openly stated range. )
Yes, this is hardware, but there is no rational business sense in doing large scale software support for obsolete hardware. Especially doing it for free.
The 2012 model speed bump was nothing but parts targeted for the 2010 era. Kicking the can into 2018 is pragmatically already a gift.
Folks should have some solid plan in 2017 to get the migration done. The CPUs have been deupported by Intel. Most of the rest of the components are going be in the same state.
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Wrong. Again.
I don't see how that could possibly be true unless Apple stopped manufacturing the 6,1 on release day. From Apple's policy document:
"Vintage products are those that have not been manufactured for more than 5 and less than 7 years ago."
5,1 was discontinued oct. 22, 2013. It's safe to assume it stopped being manufactured the same year so it will be vintage by 2018.
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User upgradable != upgradable. If there was an upgrade strategy, it was probably designed around the upgrade being done in an Apple Store or by an Apple tech.
It's the 40th anniversary of Apple... Do you really think they would get to the holiday season without a complete rehaul of the line? I get that not all components are ready for the nMP. They might give us a sneak peek and deliver it early 2017... but I doubt they wouldn't engage the marketing opportunity.
Manuel, regarding the high cost of the 960 series, it was an issue even with the MP 6.1, where many components were bought at a very competitive price. Don't forget also that the GPU are going to be much cheaper than the previous generation. The cost of the nMP could very likely be the same of the present model (iPhone style).
Manuel, regarding the high cost of the 960 series, it was an issue even with the MP 6.1, where many components were bought at a very competitive price. Don't forget also that the GPU are going to be much cheaper than the previous generation. The cost of the nMP could very likely be the same of the present model (iPhone style).
Yeah, a major overall release is due and will come.
Apple always buys well, an if it's not the way they want it they do the multi-supplier dance when they can.
Polaris should be cheap for Apple of course, but I also don't see the nMP coming down in price.
Starting at 3500€ here it's a lot of money, but hey - it's Apple!!
Apple always buys well, an if it's not the way they want it they do the multi-supplier dance when they can.
Polaris should be cheap for Apple of course, but I also don't see the nMP coming down in price.
Starting at 3500€ here it's a lot of money, but hey - it's Apple!!
That's a lengthy post. I'm not really sure what your point is...are you disagreeing with me or?
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I'm actually okay with Apple not dropping prices mid-cycle. It is one of the many reasons Macs hold their value better than competing products. I'm not even all that upset about the lack of hardware updates.
When I say price-gouging, I am talking about very simple, readily apparent things. Like 5400rpm HDD's in $1499 iMacs, when their predecessors all had 7200rpm HDD's.
Or like 16GB storage in base model iPhones, to "encourage" users to buy a more expensive model (that has now finally been addressed, but that was not the case when I posted that, and for the longest time, too).
Like Jobs said in that video, it used to be that if you compared Macs to equivalent-spec PC's, they were actually competitively priced. If you maintain that is the case now, I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.
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Well it's been the 40th anniversary of Apple for nearly 10 months now. While I do hope they come up with something for the holiday season, time is running out. Nothing has been announced, nothing has been said clearly with release dates. The only thing that we know is that the nMP is getting discontinued as we speak. Even when it came out in late 2013 early 2014, they teased it 6 months before at least. They even made an ad that played like a trailer in theaters. And yet, like I said...I hope...
At 40 Apple has entered middle-age and is slowing down. Maybe Apple needs new, younger energy to reinvigorate itself.
Or it could just continue to focus on creating the next generation of consumers who think 'upgrading' their device just means buying a new one, and who will be trained to accept that.
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Working now for approx 4 weeks with my new PC and i there are just some slight simple things that i really love on the mac. Like the quick view with space. Havent found a little tool that can do the same. But thats it really. I havent regret my switch to PC for a second after i turned on this system for the first time,which i was afraid off. its a beast, affordable, expandable, future proof. and W10 is a fresh and not a total different experience than OSX. For those, who are still on the edge..
I am replying on PC too. But you will miss time machine for sure.
Windows Backup or File History are not on the same level as OSX.
PS: Once you are using PC, remember to try mechanical keyboard (with cherry key switches).