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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Obviously it would have nothing to do with Intel Drivers. Its always Apple or Tim Cook.
https://www.gearspace.com/board/music-computers/1064429-thunderbolt-support-windows-10-a.html
http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2...-plans-for-thunderbolt-support-in-windows-10/
Yeah, blame Apple for what Microsoft failed. Forum users on this board are getting more ridiculous with everyday.
Easy there fanboy #1.
If Apple kept their computer product line reasonably up to date I wouldn't be looking to switch to a Win10 box to get my work done. What products Apple decides to build is at the sole discretion of Tim and the rest of Apple management.
Given that Win10 apparently doesn't support anything but TB3 it looks like I'm stuck with four options and none of them are good.
- Stick with Apples outdated and overpriced hardware
- Go with Win7 or 8.1 instead of Win10 on a PC
- Dump all my Thunderbolt RAID systems and replace them with SATA or USB3 systems at an additional expense.
- Pray that a TB3 to TB2 adapter allows Win10 to work with my RAID systems
See how much easier life would be if I could just walk into the nearest Apple store and plunk down few thousand dollars on an up to date Mac Pro, instead of having to embark on this farce?
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If you try to configure a HP box with their TB2 card on their website it will indicate that TB2 isn't supported on Win10, and you will need to fall back on Win7 or Win8.1.
A quick search on Google seems to confirm this. MS added support for TB3 in WIN10, so maybe it is possible to use TB2 devices on Win10 with an adapter (what an Apple like solution). But that is something I would need to somehow confirm, before spending a few thousand on a z640.
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First of all, When Thunderbolt 2 was announced there was no Windows 10 on market.
Secondly, blame Microsoft and Intel for fail in not making TB2 devices working under Win10. All of this is in the links I provided.
Thirdly, stop thinking that Apple is to blame for everything. Maybe here is bigger problem in Microsoft, than Apple?
Fourth, Who is the fanboy now? I just pointed your faulty thinking, you called me for this a fanboy. Well done.
Do investigate SAS as well. I've put 16 lane (6 Gbps/lane) controllers in a few systems recently.
If JBOD or software RAID is OK, the controllers are reasonably priced (about $25/lane). Double that for hardware RAID controllers (and a bit more for battery/hypercap/flash backed cache if you want RAID 5/50/6/60).
Links, please.
One hour for "it's amazing" - the second hour for "it's revolutionary".
I guess reading comprehension levels aren't what they used to be here in the US (if you are in the US), so I'll clarify my remarks.
Obviously it is not the fault of Tim or Apple that MS has not developed drivers etc for Win10 and TB2. Nobody said that.
What i was pointing out is that given Apple's neglect of the Mac I now have to look for a Windows workstation and will have to deal with all the drivers and configuration issues that kept me away from Windows for the past +20 years.
But I will give you the benefit of the doubt that your knee-jerk response was just fired off in a fit of passion and because you didn't read my post slowly enough and not because you're a fan boy.
Better now?
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It's going to be a PIA... but thanks.
I don't think I can send you a direct link, because you will get the 'config error' when you try to customize a z640 with their TB2 card option. But look here and try to put one together
http://store.hp.com/us/en/NewConfig...-1&storeId=10151&catEntryId=839169&quantity=1
A quick search on Google seems to confirm that there is no direct TB2 support in Win10. only TB3, but I'm hoping that I can still get TB2 support via an adapter
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Because the software houses won't do an architecture jump twice in just over a decade?
The OS is irrelevant - what matters is the actual software. I don't see Adobe CS, Zbrush, Vue, Poser, Iray, or LuxRender moving to the ARM architecture anytime soon.
Where was Phil "Can't innovate my a$$"? I'm sure he's proud of the new MBP.
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Maybe this is the ARM based security chip that Apple will introduce as the feature for next gen Macs. It'll be a co-processor, not the CPU.
Does "isn't supported" mean HP will not support this specific configuration? Or does it mean it will not work?
Maybe faster network speeds get to the nMP too.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...g-25-and-5-gbitsec-speeds-to-existing-cabling
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...g-25-and-5-gbitsec-speeds-to-existing-cabling
Thunderbolt 2 does not work at all under Windows 10 in daisy chain mode.
This is also a hint for people to know why does Mac Pro GPU drivers fail in Thunderbolt connection mode.
Read this quote:
What does this mean for existing “legacy” Thunderbolt devices?
The convergence of Thunderbolt 3 + Alpine Ridge + USB-C makes it easier for PC OEMs to create PCs with a known and solid supported Thunderbolt configuration, doing away with the ambiguities and BIOS configuration challenges of the past.
Microsoft is working with Intel to identify the potential compatibility approaches for devices with Thunderbolt 1 & 2 and the Thunderbolt/Mini-DP connector (hubs, adapters, etc.). Although those devices (with appropriate drivers) will continue to work in Windows 10 TH2, because of limitations around resource acquisition and daisy chaining, and the instability they can introduce, Microsoft cannot officially support them on Windows 10. Any support will be up to the PC manufacturers or hardware vendors using those interfaces. We do generally recommend that if you use those Thunderbolt 1 / 2 devices on Windows PCs, you keep the Thunderbolt interface dedicated to your audio use, and not mix in other daisy-chained devices. Recommendations may vary based on device and motherboard, of course.
The Alpine Ridge chipset is relatively new to the market. We are continuing to refine and update our Thunderbolt support in the future with an eye towards continued stability and performance. We’re continuing to work closely with Intel and with PC OEMs to ensure Thunderbolt 3 on Windows 10 is a great experience.
Thunderbolt 3 on USB-C is particularly exciting to us due to the increased bandwidth it offers to our pro audio and musician customers, all with a simplified connector that works across everything from custom-built PCs to thin and light laptops and tablets. Considering the significant uptake from our OEMs, they seem to agree.
I’ve contacted a number of device manufacturers already. If you are a device manufacturer that I haven’t yet reached, and have questions, please contact pete dot brown at Microsoft dot com.
If you are a customer, I ask that you give the audio interface/peripheral manufacturers some time to form their own plan of action on this. I know folks are champing at the bit for Thunderbolt devices on Windows, but the devices will not be available overnight. Feel free to express your interest, of course.
Pete
http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2...-plans-for-thunderbolt-support-in-windows-10/
Nope it's clear a kernel for ARM hurricane, Mac actually have N ARM chips inside as the SSD controller the system's smc? Etc none of them require kernel support.
The problem with ARM is the fastest ARM core (A73) it's half way the slowest Xeon core, unless Apple is considering to suppress kernel features as logical file lock or disable kernel protection, (impossible).
Only explanation for this are either an macOS NAS or an dual boot iPad running iOS or macOS as most cheap Android/windows tablet does, the latest it's the craziest hypothesis, I believe Apple is reading a macOS server on ARM either to sell it as a NAS appliance or for internal use at Apple's farms.
I've been reading rumblings of this too. Apple was unhappy with the 3 letter agencies infiltrating their hardware manufacturing partners. They are supposedly considering tooling up their own server hardware again, with complete control of its production from top to bottom. Bring on the Xserve 4,1.
Mac homeserver? The iHub for HomeKit? Apple's attempt to take over Internet of Things? Or the next Time Capsule? Or new Apple Tv? I can hear the words from the launch of iPhone: "No, this is one device"
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I can fully see that Apple could release a NAS or a more advanced version of a Time Capsule or some other kind of storage device, but such a device would probably launch after APFS is out of beta. Current HFS+ have no real NAS related features, sure, it can be used on a NAS but APFS is way more suitable for a NAS with its cloning (dedup), snapshots, better encryption and improved data integrity, its closer to ZFS which has been pretty proficient on NAS:es
But, then again, its fairly early to include the ARM chip in Sierra already since APFS is fairly far away into the future so yeah, my assumption that they would wait for APFS is probably wrong then
Also, why would they include support for the chip in Sierra when a NAS most likely would not use Sierra but rather a custom build?
But, then again, its fairly early to include the ARM chip in Sierra already since APFS is fairly far away into the future so yeah, my assumption that they would wait for APFS is probably wrong then
Also, why would they include support for the chip in Sierra when a NAS most likely would not use Sierra but rather a custom build?
they're just repeating the exit strategy from back in the ppc days: you want to be ready to move to ARM when Intel drops the bucket, and they've already indicated their focus is no longer on the desktop.