MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[Mago]

Hi guys, regocije I come with new Leaks from DarkerGuy...

The 4 ports on the new rMBP are 2 TB3 and 2 USB-C, TB3 ports capable to suport Retina 5K Thunderbolt display (Available on Q4 or at rMBP'm16 launch).

The 16" model to have dGPU AMD Polaris 11 4GB.

both base models near 100$ cheaper, RAM/SSD options cheaper too.

Magic Toolbar having an actual display not just pre-drawn images, added functions include Siri on command.

Remenber DarkNetGuy 'leaks' or 'predictions' he/she or whatever past june named the touch screen strip on the keyboards of the nMBP as "Magic Toolbar" which seems the actual name of the feature, that was on june 2... (take that Ming-chi kuo)

I just want to recap other predictions or leaks from DNG (which seems have some actual source from cuppertino just not good enough to match dates):

About the next mac mini: it will be SSD-only, no spinner option, NO INTERNAL PSU, will be powered either thru USB-C Power Brick or Thru Thunderbolt/USB-C displays. The New mini look like semi-cubic about 1/3 Airport Extreme. ( I can imagine something like an intel NUC)

This Only Prediction will be the biggest hit from DNG by long shooot.... (let's see)

Asuming DarknetGuy is rigth, the MacPro Late 2016 should have:

4 TB3 ports
6 USB-C (all video enabled, possible supporting DP 1.3)

As Dual GPU options:
Polaris Pro/XT as G300/G500 options 4/8 GB ram, Dual Vega10 GPU with 16GB Ram (I think a W8100 derivate more likely) as G700.

Upto Dual PCIe2 NVMe (also could enable apple to Offer 2TB options)

Dual 10GbE still possible, consider will share bandwidth with USB-C/TB3, a dual GbE more likely.

WiFi / Bluetooth running from internal USB3 Headers.

Other prediction i remember from him is the 4K Thunderbolt display and 5K Retina Display non-thunderbolt (usb-c/dp 1.3) [this one i double checked later from another source, no eGPU TBRDP5K yet]

Interesting, keep this on track just in case...

 

[Mago]

More Old Predictions from Darknet Guy:

The guy from darknet insist, the next mac pro to be all usb-c 4 TB3 only, also two NVMe, all ports capable to delivery 4K video, 5K only thru TB3.

Next Macbooks also to have mixed TB3 / USB3 only USB-C .

Next MP PSU rated at 580W.

only D710 GPU to be a real compute/pro gpu.

nMP 7,1 available later Q3, next Macbook pro Available earlier in August.

Next Thunderbolt Display for Q4, also next Mac Mini and iMac, but there is a possibility both next mac mini and TBD3 also to be introduced at WWDC with availability moreless at same time next MBP.

Only legacy non-retina iMac will be available with spinners hdd, every new Mac to be SSD only, including next mac mini, no more fusion drives also,

More on pricing, nMP keeps pricing scheme, storage and ram options cheaper, base MP7,1 from 3000$.
Next MBP cheaper also, but less than 100$.

Next Mac mini from ~600$ Quadcore/SSD only 2TB3 4 USB-C, half-size.

[doublepost=1477060157][/doublepost]I think this one its the oldest, from May 26th

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2016-nmp.1952250/page-122#post-22941430 (closed thread)


For those that like read rumours, on the same source, speak about the new mac pro to come on Q3, on E5v4 as expected with revised TDP (500W+) and as GPUs the base model will be available on AMD FirePro 310 (Polaris Elsemere XT GDDR5X), 510 (same Polaris GPU on HBM2) and D710 AMD Vega 11 on HBM2, the latest will be the only with FP64 Compute 2:1, total TFLOPS from 9/13/18 FP32 0.5/0.75/9 FP64, ram 16GB ddr5/ 16 GB HBM2/ 32 GB HBM2, 6 TB3 Ports, 4 USB-C 3.1, 1 HDMI2, dual 10.000/1000/100 MBPs lan on RJ45, 2TB 2.5 GBps m.2 nvme with passive cooler, upto 16 CORE Cpu, Ram Upto 128GB.

Everything consistent with expectations, No Zen Macs this year (sniff), no RoseGold Mac Pro either.

Thunderbolt 3 Display will arrive with new iMacs and an radical all-new mac mini on Q4/Q1'17, new macbooks will arrive sooner than everything, despite latest rumors new MBP will be available earlier Q3 at same time as the new macOS rolls.

No Xeon MBP either, neither MBA(as expected), new MBP on 14/16" with same footprint, slimmers but not that slimmer as the rMB12, touch ID std, 4 core only on 16" model, only with dGPU option, MBP 14 availbe on 8/16 GB and rMBP16 available on 16/32 GB Ram, same storage options on nvme, bit cheaper too.

Later he changed about TB3/USB-C mix to 4 TB3 and 6 USB-C only, but all capable to deliver 5K SST video (DP 1.3 mode)

an minor inconsistency (I think) is that Polaris on HBM2, its not expected to happen, as Vega 11 on HBM2 its very likely, but I thinks wont be available this year.

 

[filmak]

Let's check the DNG's predictions after next week and when/if we 'll see the real products.

 

[JimGoshorn]

I use Acronis True Image on my Windows 10 Machine for cloning and scheduling of disk backups. It's a pretty decent app, although I still haven't found anything that compares to Time Machine.

Isn't Windows File History very similar to the Time Machine idea?

Edit: Posted this before I read SnoFlo's post

 

[deconstruct60]

My point is I've been reading "just wait until X event and then decide". Then, when no new Mac Pro is announced the response is "just wait until Y event and then decide". Then, when no new Mac Pro is announced the response is "just wait until Z event and then decide".

Yes, a month is not long to wait. But when you keep hearing, over and over, to wait another month, because it's not too long, it adds up. People who asked "Should I buy a new Mac Pro" back in April of this year if, they followed the "it's only a month away" logic are still waiting for a new Mac Pro six months later.

Keep hearing from who? The same person making these claims? if so then what should be in question is your critical thinking skils as to why you think this person is a reliable source.

Claims from 4-5 people for 4-5 different dates. Again? Why do you put much weight on individual one-off "pull a date out of my butt" predictions?

1. There are many people on macrumors who seem to take great joy in blowing large quantities of smoke. Anyone using everything posted here to make critical business decisions should have their head examined. That's looney-tunes. Even the so-called "pro" analysts in some of the front page articles are grasping at straws from time to time.

Track records, creditable evidence , and common sense matters. Don't use any of those and then wail about how you have been duped. Get real. Macrumors used to have a bit of a higher signal to noise ratio. However, crocodile tears over "bad data" on here only cranks the ratio lower.


2. The "missed" dates are useful information. There are windows where the probability of a new Mac gets higher and that is followed by it getting lower again. For example Intel and GPUs vendors all do major refreshes and Apple passes, then if have short term, acute, business needs, then it is time to pull the trigger based on information you have. New product or not but result in new information to make a decision on.

3. the "if you just wait 6-12 months there will be something better later" isn't an Apple only issue. The cycles on the classic PC form factor are getting longer, but it is still true that waiting 6-12 months only open the window to new options incrementally better in another 6-12 months. Even if looking at the 'official' , semi-public roadmaps that many other companies produce.

Apple has an information on action ( as opposed to powerpoint talk ) policy. It works reasonably well on a highly regular update cadence. The hide in a hole cadence they are on now, it doesn't. If information matters more than product then Apple isn't viable. Whining about anonymous, inaccurate sources in a rumor forum isn't a solution either.

 

[ITguy2016]

Keep hearing from who? The same person making these claims? if so then what should be in question is your critical thinking skils as to why you think this person is a reliable source.

People posting here in this forum.

Claims from 4-5 people for 4-5 different dates. Again? Why do you put much weight on individual one-off "pull a date out of my butt" predictions?

I'm not putting any weight in their statements. In fact my comment is almost saying the exact opposite: Don't continue to wait for the next date...again.

Rest delete as there's nothing really more requiring a direct response.

 

[wallysb01]

People posting here in this forum.

I'm not putting any weight in their statements. In fact my comment is almost saying the exact opposite: Don't continue to wait for the next date...again.

But...but...but.... why are railing against this now when A) no one you're talking to has been doing that and B) we have 6 days until probably the best chance at an update since Haswell's launch?

I just don't get. You're beating us over the head with this point about what some vague set of people said vague time ago... who cares? Plenty of more rational people give the advice you're giving every time someone asks for it, that being, "if you need a new computer, buy the best thing that fits your needs now!" No update is really worth waiting for when stuff starts breaking and you can get work done. But if its just a, "hmm this computer works fine, but is getting kinda long in the tooth, maybe I should update," that's when the location on those probability windows deconstruct60 was talking about matters. If we just passed an announcement and the parts where there for an update? Time to move on. If the parts are there and an announcement is expected in 1-2 months? Maybe wait. If the parts aren't there, rumors are that the next announcement is iOS/iPhone related? Don't expect anything, but if its no big deal to wait, ya never know, we might get surprised.

I mean, what the heck are we arguing about?

 

[mrxak]

Okay, so, if there was a Mac Pro announced next week, or next month, what hardware is realistically available CPU/GPU for a shipping date of let's say, "January". I'm going to go ahead and say AMD GPUs only, as well, just because I doubt Apple will reverse their stance on CUDA all of a sudden. Of course Apple will ship some custom boards, complicating matters, but we should at least be able to predict some kind of comparable models. I'm not that great at understanding Intel's Xeon line-up, nor have I followed AMD's GPUs.

Let's be optimistic for a second and assume Apple's had reference cards for a while and has the will to ship something up-to-date, even if they end up underclocking it. That way we can more accurately calculate just how disappointed we are when Apple does make their announcement.

 

[AsprineTm]

If AMD can make a 10.000 dollar machine based on Vega an 1TB of HBM why wouldn't they be able to stick it in the next Mac Pro

http://wccftech.com/amd-dracrays-vega-10/

 

[ActionableMango]

why wouldn't they be able to stick it in the next Mac Pro

The following line from the article is vague, but nevertheless gives the impression that two of these would be quite unsuitable for the Mac Pro's limited power supply and cooling.

"TDP -- It breaths fire, what do you think?"

 

[koyoot]

FudZillas and VideoCardz Sources claim that next Gen HBM2 chips are able to fit in 150W thermal envelope, hence the dual, 300W GPU.

That 10000$ GPU is the same thing that currently AMD supplies around the world with Fiji+SSD, boards.

 

[Bubba Satori]

FudZillas and VideoCardz Sources claim that next Gen HBM2 chips are able to fit in 150W thermal envelope, hence the dual, 300W GPU.

That 10000$ GPU is the same thing that currently AMD supplies around the world with Fiji+SSD, boards.

Yabutt that's not apples SOP.
They'll want a $100 Polaris and offer to slip AMD $20 in a Christmas card for them to slap a VegaPro sticker on it.

 

[ManuelGomes]

Today they had 3 nMP 6c at MediaMarkt here, which is the first time ever that I know.
Maybe Apple is clearing stock with special prices, preparing for next week?
Lower priced too. Probably means nothing though.
[doublepost=1477146335][/doublepost]I'm confident DNG might have something there. D310 based on RX 475, D510 on 485 and D710 on Vega 11 with HBM2.
If the Polaris controller does support GDDR5X then probably D510 gets it, and maybe even D310 (or not to further differentiate from D510).
If they go with Broadwell now, the USB-C/TB3 issue gets complicated. Not enough lanes for a decent setup.
Maybe they use 2 TB3 controllers on the CPU and USB-C Gen.1 only off the PCH, same for the SSDs.
X99 is too limiting.
[doublepost=1477149126][/doublepost]http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-xeon-skylake-purley-3d-xpoint,32891.html

 

[filmak]

Today they had 3 nMP 6c at MediaMarkt here, which is the first time ever that I know.
Maybe Apple is clearing stock with special prices, preparing for next week?
Lower priced too. Probably means nothing though.

In MediaMarkt? It has to mean something.
If we want to see something new in the near future, these are good news, they have to get rid of the (old) stock...
They can even call them refurbished units, if they want, just to give the stock away.
People have been waiting long enough...

 

[pat500000]

In MediaMarkt? It has to mean something.
If we want to see something new in the near future, these are good news, they have to get rid of the (old) stock...
They can even call them refurbished units, if they want, just to give the stock away.
People have been waiting long enough...

Hey filmak, what is this mediamarkt that you guys are talking about ? Curious.

 

[mathemabeat]

It's like the Best Buy of Europe.

 

[pat500000]

It's like the Best Buy of Europe.

oh okay. Thanks. I'm wondering why it would be an indicator.... hmm.

 

[Aldaris]

Thanks for helping us folks across the pond

 

[koyoot]

In Poland, there is no Mac Pro in Media Markt. It was previously, but now - it has disappeared from their online store.

On the other hand: MacBook Air 11 is in the Outlet store part with huge rebates, same for MacBook 12' and iMac 21', 4K and 5K.

No sign of Mac Pro on whole store!

 

[pat500000]

In Poland, there is no Mac Pro in Media Markt. It was previously, but now - it has disappeared from their online store.

On the other hand: MacBook Air 11 is in the Outlet store part with huge rebates, same for MacBook 12' and iMac 21', 4K and 5K.

No sign of Mac Pro on whole store!

Then it may be a sign. Maybe Tim Cook had it enough with reading people's posts in MR subforum. He probably took courage decided it to make a greenlight.

 

[Dreadnought]

Today they had 3 nMP 6c at MediaMarkt here, which is the first time ever that I know.
Maybe Apple is clearing stock with special prices, preparing for next week?
Lower priced too. Probably means nothing though.

Manuel, you do know that the Apple counters at MediaMarkt are Apples. They 're a store in a store. In 2010 I was talking with the Apple salesperson about my new to purchase iMac. Other Apple resellers couldn't match my configuration without extra costs (I wanted the usb keyboard, not the wireless, with other resellers you had to order the usb keyboard seperately). The salesperson told me he could match my configuration without extra costs because it was an Apple store and he was under employment by Apple and not MediaMarkt.
Apple also uses MediaMarkt to get rid of old stock, especially in the months prior to upgrades and after new announcements. Then the floor is filled with boxes with standard configs against discounted prices.

 

[pat500000]

Rumor of mac pro.

 

[ManuelGomes]

The odd thing is that there has been only one that I have seen in all these years at that particular store, and that was a 4c config. Now, all of a sudden there are 3, the 2 I mentioned sealed in the box, and another one on display. And still the same TBD - I guess they can't get rid of it - I do love the design of the TBD and I wish they'd keep it, by the way.
And those were like 400€ less than MRSP.
They do have a lot of standard configs for rMB, iMac and MBA with also lower prices.
So, something could be in the cards, or not. It might mean nothing.
Dreadnought, That might be the case somewhere else but not here. They have their own space but it' not even marked as Apple corner or something. Maybe it's different in bigger stores, or in some countries like the Netherlands. Here we're very small
Also, the people there are not Apple employees for sure, not one of them. All MM people.
[doublepost=1477222664][/doublepost]if this is true, these threads will continue for a few more months:
http://wccftech.com/apple-release-macbook-models-week-desktops/

It seems the rMB will replace the MBA, which makes sense.
But no nMP or TBD3, or iMac.
Bummer.
I'm not really in a hurry, but the wait gets boring. Still, I rather wait a bit more and get a better machine in a few months. Still, as I've mentioned, either Basin Falls-X or Purley are not quite the perfect fit for the nMP. Unless Apple uses Purley as an 1S platform, which it isn't. I'm not even sure you can get away with it. At first I would see no problem in using only one CPU with Purley but Intel clearly states that it's only 2S, 4S and 8S. Also, 6 channel mem is overkill specially due to the lack of room inside the tube. But it would be perfect for the dual GPU, dual SSD and dual TB3 config. USB 3.1 would be there too, and they could stick dual GbE or even 10GbE ports with the provided lanes. Sweet!!
[doublepost=1477224192][/doublepost]If the rMBP does get the Magic Toolbar, and it seems it will, it will be great. And maybe all the panels now will be DCI-P3 with higher resolutions, but then they'd have to be more efficient not to deplete the battery fast.
The downside at the time are the CPUs, probably Skylake instead of Kaby Lake. A few more months and we could have better iGPUs as well as maybe Optane.
Optane would also look good on the nMP but it's also too soon.
There are still rumors of the long awaited TB3D in the 1H'17 though. Sure hope so.

 

[jeanlain]

Rumor of mac pro.

This isn't a rumour, merely a guess.

 

[ManuelGomes]

I'd say the DNG's predictions (or leaks) are quite spot on, if it really comes in the near future. Apart from the HBM2 claim on Polaris of course. I could see D310 with 4GB GDDR5, D510 with 8GB of GDDR5(X if supported) and Vega 10 with HBM2. Since Vega 11 seems to be the replacement for Polaris 10 next year, I don't think we'll see it there. Only one pure compute GPU seems right, for those who actually need it.
Broadwell-EP seems to be the CPU of choice, lacking anything else at the moment and the near future.
But C610 will hardly handle it all with grace. Doing the math it's a heck of a bottleneck. 32 lanes are taken by the GPUs. The remaining 8 will go to the 2 TB3 controllers. Will the 6 USB-C ports only get USB 3.1 Gen.1 speeds? Probably, but then no DP 1.3 out of them. Where will the 10GbE ports come out of? Switched with TB3? And both SSDs?