I visited Costco before the release of the 16 inch and checked out the Mac section. Even the 15.4 inch was considered huge to me, can only imagine the 16 inch. Will check it out tomorrow at Apple store.
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Waiting for the 2020 MBP
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Same price but with more base storage (and a far superior dGPU).
2016
Salesman: Let's make it thinner to impress the world.
Engineer: Doesn't sound good but ok.
2019
Salesman: We screwed it, let's make it thick again.
Engineer: Ok, but the boss doesn't like reverting.
Salesman: Then make it 16 inch so it looks thin again.
Salesman: Let's make it thinner to impress the world.
Engineer: Doesn't sound good but ok.
2019
Salesman: We screwed it, let's make it thick again.
Engineer: Ok, but the boss doesn't like reverting.
Salesman: Then make it 16 inch so it looks thin again.
Could we get a mod to change the title of the thread to 2019 MBP
It's time to start speculating on the 2020 MBP!!
Three Updates:
- Upgrading the 720p webcam with FaceID
- Screen up to 120hz refresh
- Wifi AX
It's time to start speculating on the 2020 MBP!!
Three Updates:
- Upgrading the 720p webcam with FaceID
- Screen up to 120hz refresh
- Wifi AX
That’s basically all that is left to do on the 16” MBP. That and HDR support on the integrated display.
Now, for the 13” is where there’s quite a lot to improve.
Phil was coy in that interview cuz he doesnt want to nuke 13" sales. Rest assured tho- they will be doing the same thing shortly. 14/16 inch is the likely lineup.
And yep- it's a relatively short list of things left to do to make the MBP modern. The reason Im so pleased is it's probably the shortest list I can recall. Feels like with Jony gone we can have nice things again
Phil was coy in that interview cuz he doesnt want to nuke 13" sales. Rest assured tho- they will be doing the same thing shortly. 14/16 inch is the likely lineup.
And yep- it's a relatively short list of things left to do to make the MBP modern. The reason Im so pleased is it's probably the shortest list I can recall. Feels like with Jony gone we can have nice things again
I do wonder if they will do it to the 13”, the improvements were only possible by making it bigger/thicker/heavier. This is justified on the 15” sure, but wonder if you could do that to the 13” as although both are made to be portable, portability is a bigger factor on the 13” by a mile.
I think that people buy the 13 for portability so that would be more important than power. I have a 2015 13 and I can run two QHD external displays and run my regular office workflow on it. Now the fans come on more often compared to my 2015 because of airflow, and there are sometimes pauses in doing some things that I don't see on the 15 (I think that the discrete graphics has something to do with that), but it is more than enough for me to get my work done which is why my company gives out the 13 inch models. Employees can request 15 inch models but they have to provide justification for it.
So I can definitely see the new keyboard in the 13 MBP. On the other areas - I think that mobility is more of a priority compared to the 15.
The battery size increase drove that and not by much- not so much the .6 inch screen increase.
that said a .7 inch on the 13.3 is probably a lot tougher to engineer without a size increase.
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no 10nm H class chips any time soon
maybe on the 13 inch tho
It's 7 months to summer and the desktop 10nm will be out in the start of the year (according to intel), so it's definitely not completely impossible that the H will be out too.
I checked it out at the Store today, I don’t feel any difference in tactile feedback from the keyboard on the 16 vs the 13 inch. So, I guess the keyboard is more about reliability. But gosh that screen is magnificently gorgeous. As much I was tempted right then and there, I am going to hold out until 2021. But for anyone looking to upgrade from a 2015, it felt and looked worthy.
One thing I have noticed is the permission errors in Catalina. Kinda reminds me of Vista.
One thing I have noticed is the permission errors in Catalina. Kinda reminds me of Vista.
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you mean typing on it? Are you sure you had a new model? It feels completely different. Maybe they had old models up. The screen increase is easier to miss than the keyboard plushness.
I posted a picture of it. Also, the 15 inch is not on sale, the 16 inch replaced them. Only 13 and 16. See:
yeah that's the new one
imo the kb feels just like the old keyboards- entirely different. but to each his own.
Based playing with the butterfly models at the store and my brothers 2017 I never had a problem with the keyboard. He hasn’t complained about the keyboard either and neither has it failed him. What I am happy about is the fact that with the 16 inch keyboard is likely guaranteed reliable.
You should create the "Waiting for the 2021 MBP" Thread ?
Seems like the 16" is the new design. I'm still a little worried about thermal throttling with the higher spec i9 and Radeon 5500. I was hoping they would make it slightly thicker. Hopefully they work out all the throttling kinks with the better cooling.
I'm hoping (more like dreaming) late 2020 brings ProMotion HDR 120Hz screens, AMD RTX 7nm+ mobile dGPU's and better facetime camera (1080p) with faceID.
If Apple makes a pro 14" model with dGPU (still dreaming!) I might just jump on that.
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Regarding the 13" model I think this is what we can expect so far of the 2020 model:
Magic Keyboard
Touch ID
Dedicated Escape Key
10th Generation Intel Core 28W CPU
We can have an idea of what the CPU will be by taking a look at the specifications of the current Intel Core i7-1068G7:
i7-1068G7 Ice Lake U 10nm
From August 1, 2019
Base 2.3GHz
Turbo 4 cores 3.6 GHz
Turbo 1 core 4.1GHz
Support for up to 64GB RAM quad channel LPDDR4X-3733
Iris Plus Graphics G7 Gen. 11 graphics with 64 Execution Units
Base 300MHz
Max 1.10GHz
Up to 1.12 TFLOPS (FP32)
Up to 2.25 TFLOPS (FP16)
Concerning the display. I guess the fair guess will be the same 500 nits P3 panel that the current model has.
However one could dream of HDR support or 120Hz on both 13.3" and 16" MacBook Pro models from 2020.
Magic Keyboard
Touch ID
Dedicated Escape Key
10th Generation Intel Core 28W CPU
We can have an idea of what the CPU will be by taking a look at the specifications of the current Intel Core i7-1068G7:
i7-1068G7 Ice Lake U 10nm
From August 1, 2019
Base 2.3GHz
Turbo 4 cores 3.6 GHz
Turbo 1 core 4.1GHz
Support for up to 64GB RAM quad channel LPDDR4X-3733
Iris Plus Graphics G7 Gen. 11 graphics with 64 Execution Units
Base 300MHz
Max 1.10GHz
Up to 1.12 TFLOPS (FP32)
Up to 2.25 TFLOPS (FP16)
Concerning the display. I guess the fair guess will be the same 500 nits P3 panel that the current model has.
However one could dream of HDR support or 120Hz on both 13.3" and 16" MacBook Pro models from 2020.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a 14-14.5" bigger/ thicker enough to cool a dGPU... a lot of Windows competitors in this size class now offer this. It would also allow Apple to use the 6 core U chip which only has HD graphics (I assume because more TDP is taken up by the extra CPU cores). If they stretched the size a little and made it equal in thickness to the 16" (the 13" currently is even thinner than the contemporary 15" so this is a bigger change for this model). This would be for the higher end 28W model, the 15W model could continue largely as is using 15 W U series chips with Iris graphics. You could easily fit a 14 inch screen in something with the same footprint as the old MacBook Air, and that's hardly a cumbersome machine (and is considerably thicker at it's thickest than the 16"!)
Yes, it could be possible for Apple to make a 15W 13" MBP with Iris Plus Graphics G7 and a 28W MBP with dedicated AMD graphics. However thought I'd like them to I don't see them right now doing a 14" to replace the 13.3" yet. Kuo predicted 13.3" and 15.6" models for 2020 along the 16" one, but nothing about a 14".
And I think a bigger chassis for the 13" to fit a better thermal design on the theoretical dGPU model would make the difference between the base and the higher end 13" MBP more visible and I don't think Apple would like to divide more the 13" models after having updated the lineup this year to equalise the 15W and 28W models with the same touchbar.
Well, we need to discuss about MBP 2020 base on 16-inch MBP because some people believe that 16-inch MBP is fully changed MBP which represent 5th gen MBP. Other people, including me, believe that 16-inch MBP is still a 4th gen MBP with improvements. Tho wiki considered 16-inch MBP as a 5th gen, they were not able to provide specific information to support their claims. At this point, there is NO official report from Apple that 16-inch MBP is either 4th gen or 5th gen. Technically, this terminology is being used for Wiki only since Apple identifies products base on the year. There are two scenarios:
1. If 16-inch MBP IS 5th gen, then 13 inches will have spec bump with a bigger monitor, different keyboard layout, and separated touch ID and ESC key.
2. If 16-inch MBP is not 5th gen instead of 4th gen, then we can expect a full changed MBP on next October.
But seriously, why would Apple release MBP without announcement if it's worth the name of 5th gen MBP?
1. If 16-inch MBP IS 5th gen, then 13 inches will have spec bump with a bigger monitor, different keyboard layout, and separated touch ID and ESC key.
2. If 16-inch MBP is not 5th gen instead of 4th gen, then we can expect a full changed MBP on next October.
But seriously, why would Apple release MBP without announcement if it's worth the name of 5th gen MBP?
I think the 4 year design thing is dead for now. We know ARM is coming in likely less than four years, and the MBP will surely get a full tilt redesign then. So I think this 16" gives us enough of an evolutionary freshening to tide us over for a couple years until ARM MBPs and the inherent redesign they will come with.
Unrelated, is it true that ProMotion requires 10nm processors, and both Comet Lake and Ice Lake are still 14nm chips? Meaning ZERO chance of a 16" ProMotion MBP in the next 16" update next summer?
Unrelated, is it true that ProMotion requires 10nm processors, and both Comet Lake and Ice Lake are still 14nm chips? Meaning ZERO chance of a 16" ProMotion MBP in the next 16" update next summer?