iPad We need to file a complaint!

[TiggrToo]

You’re missing the point….I don’t care that these devices cannot get iOS 15.4.1….they work fine on iOS 12 or wherever they stopped. Your point is valid, they would run terribly on the latest firmware, BUT the device should still have access to apps to be useful.

This is NOT Apples problem. Blame the app developers. Period.

Your video apps require making connections to a service to retrieve video. The vendors presumably are constantly updating their apps and ensuring that the backend servers only talks to a range of apps on users devices. Once an app falls out of that range, it quite likely will no longer connect.

You have an issue with apps like Netflix, then take it up with them. NOT Apple.

And as for blaming Apple for trade-in values - utter nonsense. The market defines trade-in values and as a device gets older so does its value.

If you feel the trade in values are crap, then why on earth would you expect and old device - that you yourself have admitted hardly works, to be worth anything is beyond me. Why would ANYONE want to pay money for a device that is again, in your opinion, worthless?

Meanwhile, I’m finding quoted values for a base Air 2 from $16 up to $72. For a device released 8 years ago those are amazingly good prices.

 

[Gix1k]

Our 10 year old car no longer gets GPS updates. So yeah, the car analogy works 100%.

A 10 year old car, if had Navigation, was being fed by a disc somewhere in the vehicle, so the chances of you getting an update could be likely.

 

[Gix1k]

This is NOT Apples problem. Blame the app developers. Period.

Your video apps require making connections to a service to retrieve video. The vendors presumably are constantly updating their apps and ensuring that the backend servers only talks to a range of apps on users devices. Once an app falls out of that range, it quite likely will no longer connect.

You have an issue with apps like Netflix, then take it up with them. NOT Apple.

And as for blaming Apple for trade-in values - utter nonsense. The market defines trade-in values and as a device gets older so does its value.

If you feel the trade in values are crap, then why on earth would you expect and old device - that you yourself have admitted hardly works, to be worth anything is beyond me. Why would ANYONE want to pay money for a device that is again, in your opinion, worthless?

Meanwhile, I’m finding quoted values for a base Air 2 from $16 up to $72. For a device released 8 years ago those are amazingly good prices.

Like any and everything else, if Apple cared and pushed/demanded it of developers, it would happen.

 

[TiggrToo]

A 10 year old car, if had Navigation, was being fed by a disc somewhere in the vehicle, so the chances of you getting an update could be likely.

You calling me a liar? I know for an absolute FACT we topped out in around 2020. Look it up - Infiniti 2010 G37x. They no longer supply the disks.

 

[TiggrToo]

Like any and everything else, if Apple cared and pushed/demanded it of developers, it would happen.

NO IT WOULDN’T.

You personally want it to, so you think it should. But you’re wrong.

Come back WHEN you’ve developed your first app that consumes a backend service THEN try to convince me.

 

[Gix1k]

This is NOT Apples problem. Blame the app developers. Period.

Your video apps require making connections to a service to retrieve video. The vendors presumably are constantly updating their apps and ensuring that the backend servers only talks to a range of apps on users devices. Once an app falls out of that range, it quite likely will no longer connect.

You have an issue with apps like Netflix, then take it up with them. NOT Apple.

And as for blaming Apple for trade-in values - utter nonsense. The market defines trade-in values and as a device gets older so does its value.

If you feel the trade in values are crap, then why on earth would you expect and old device - that you yourself have admitted hardly works, to be worth anything is beyond me. Why would ANYONE want to pay money for a device that is again, in your opinion, worthless?

Meanwhile, I’m finding quoted values for a base Air 2 from $16 up to $72. For a device released 8 years ago those are amazingly good prices.

At no point did I say either device hardly works. I said many times they work FINE and aren’t useable because the apps are no longer available. Read some, guy.

 

[sparksd]

A 10 year old car, if had Navigation, was being fed by a disc somewhere in the vehicle, so the chances of you getting an update could be likely.

Heck, yeah. I can still get a map update for my 2015 Forester - it resides on an SD card. For only $180 ...

 

[sparksd]

At no point did I say either device hardly works. I said many times they work FINE and aren’t useable because the apps are no longer available. Read some, guy.

Have you contacted the developers? That's where the issue lies.

 

[TiggrToo]

At no point did I say either device hardly works. I said many times they work FINE and aren’t useable because the apps are no longer available. Read some, guy.

Something that “works fine” cannot be “unusable”.

It’s one of the other, not both.

 

[TiggrToo]

Have you contacted the developers? That's where the issue lies.

Why, much easier to come to MR and rail at Apple. The net result will be the same, but this way the OP gets to yell at some clouds.

 

[Gix1k]

NO IT WOULDN’T.

You personally want it to, so you think it should. But you’re wrong.

Come back WHEN you’ve developed your first app that consumes a backend service THEN try to convince me.

I’m a Java developer and have written many apps. You think I’m wrong and have no idea what Apple is capable of. So you’re one of those “I’m right, so you’re wrong kind of guys” If you believe an app like Peacock(just picking one) is not able to run on an older iPad for any other reason than they don’t want it to for performance issues, you’re crazy….considering it ran on it at one point just fine.

 

[TiggrToo]

I’m a Java developer and have written many apps. You think I’m wrong and have no idea what Apple is capable of. So you’re one of those “I’m right, so you’re wrong kind of guys” If you believe an app like Peacock(just picking one) is not able to run on an older iPad for any other reason than they don’t want it to for performance issues, you’re crazy….considering it ran on it at one point just fine.

Consider this: Certificates to encrypt/authorize content may be embedded in apps. Apple require apps to use newer versions of the APIs to ensure security and adherence to policies. The certs probably only last a year or 2 and if they app can’t be updated on an older version of the API - and if the device doesn‘t support the newer API, then how those carts meant to get to your device securely?

That’s just one single possibility.

 

[TiggrToo]

A 10 year old car, if had Navigation, was being fed by a disc somewhere in the vehicle, so the chances of you getting an update could be likely.

2017 Infiniti Q70’s got it even worse. They got THREE YEARS of updates apparently before Infiniti quit supplying disks.

So, remind me again how you think it would be likely to manage this amazing feat of magic?

 

[sparksd]

I’m a Java developer and have written many apps. You think I’m wrong and have no idea what Apple is capable of. So you’re one of those “I’m right, so you’re wrong kind of guys” If you believe an app like Peacock(just picking one) is not able to run on an older iPad for any other reason than they don’t want it to for performance issues, you’re crazy….considering it ran on it at one point just fine.

How do you know what the problem is? You've made an assumption. Have you attempted to contact Peacock?

 

[Gix1k]

Consider this: Certificates to encrypt/authorize content may be embedded in apps. Apple require apps to use newer versions of the APIs to ensure security and adherence to policies. The certs probably only last a year or 2 and if they app can’t be updated on an older version of the API - and if the device doesn‘t support the newer API, then how those carts meant to get to your device securely?

That’s just one single possibility.

Very possible

 

[Gix1k]

How do you know what the problem is? You've made an assumption. Have you attempted to contact Peacock?

I actually do not, so my assumption is and likely wrong.

 

[Gix1k]

Something that “works fine” cannot be “unusable”.

It’s one of the other, not both.

Not following. The iPads work just fine for the use case they are needed for. One of which was streaming Netflix camping, etc. Netflix updated and will no longer work due to the iOS version on the device, so it’s unusable for the intended use case for no other reason than an app update.

 

[TiggrToo]

Not following. The iPads work just fine for the use case they are needed for. One of which was streaming Netflix camping, etc. Netflix updated and will no longer work due to the iOS version on the device, so it’s unusable for the intended use case for no other reason than an app update.

This:

I said many times they work FINE and aren’t useable

 

[rui no onna]

Not following. The iPads work just fine for the use case they are needed for. One of which was streaming Netflix camping, etc. Netflix updated and will no longer work due to the iOS version on the device, so it’s unusable for the intended use case for no other reason than an app update.

I just fired up my mini 4 on iOS 10 and downloaded the last compatible version of Netflix. It works just fine.

I'm actually surprised the Netflix version had the download option. I remember on one of my devices (probably the iPad 4 on iOS 6), the last compatible Netflix version didn't have downloads. Streamed just fine though.

 

[subjonas]

Our 10 year old car no longer gets GPS updates. So yeah, the car analogy works 100%.

Lol why are you bringing up an inconsequential accessory like GPS? The analogy was about whether or not a car works. Does your car sit unused in a garage if your GPS does not update? My car doesn’t even have GPS. Does that mean it never worked? You’re really stretching the analogy (which doesn’t work, btw) to a weird place.

 

[Jeven Stobs]

So because it was released 9 years ago it’s too old to watch a Peacock app, Paramount, Disney, etc….why? It should still be able to do those things, maybe not as good, sure.
It’s just me talking, guy….Apple doesn’t care what I think.

Exactly. Apple doesn’t really care about spending money on support for a 9 year old device. Welcome to the free market. Gotta work on your anger management.
Tell me, you only say that „we should“ complain, but whom to?

 

[OnawaAfrica]

Around the Air 1 model, the iPad had enough horsepower for my kid and wife to watch movies and play various games. At this point, I have three Air 1's, 2 Mini's and an Air 2 that still work perfectly fine, but have maxed out on IOS updates that have basically rendered them useless due to most apps requiring a later version.....even movie apps!! Trade and resale value is crap. You're literally forced to upgrade to a new device. I bought an Air 4 to replace my Air 2. Then bought an Air 5 and gave the Air 4 to wife. Kid to getting a Mini 6 next month for Bday.

lol there is a reason why iPad and iPhone are only supported for like 7-10 years max with updates, because after that the newer systems becomes to much for the processing power of the older devices. Look at android Devices. they usaly dont even get any new System Updates at all and if they get them its usaly only for 1 new version and thats it.

 

[Piplodocus]

Our 10 year old car no longer gets GPS updates. So yeah, the car analogy works 100%.

Sounds like a ***** system then. My 19 year old car still works as good as new and doesn't ever need system updates. So the car analogy is still in the OPs favour.

 

[Piplodocus]

I think Apple is pretty good at long term support, but if there's limited RAM and processing power then the apps are gonna outgrow the system. So you're saying it's Apple apps, or 3rd party apps no longer supported? If the 3rd party apps have decided they'll only support later versions of iOS then that's down to decisions of the 3rd party dev, no?

This is coming from a 6.5 year old iPhone 6s user who still has no problems running anything... but it is on the latest iOS, whereas the Air 1 can't do that (but is older).

I only replaced my 2010 17" macbook last winter, but that was stuck on High Sierra which by then hadn't had any security updates for a year (and Office 365 updates stopped supporting it too when Apple security updates stopped). I'm more bothered by putting anything on the internet without the latest security updates. But that MacBook still works ok, so I'm going to just run still-fully-supported Windows on it. I'm more bothered what will happen to the new M1 Max one if I can't bootcamp Win or Linux onto it in ~9 years when MacOS updates stop.

 

[TiggrToo]

Lol why are you bringing up an inconsequential accessory like GPS? The analogy was about whether or not a car works. Does your car sit unused in a garage if your GPS does not update? My car doesn’t even have GPS. Does that mean it never worked? You’re really stretching the analogy (which doesn’t work, btw) to a weird place.

It's part of the vehicle that can no longer be updated. Sure the rest if the vehicle is fine.

Just like the OPs iPad...