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What standard of design should The New Old Web, or Web 1.1, ideally adhere to?

  • < HTML4, CSS2, no JS, no embedded media (Closer to 90's Web)

    Votes: 14 16.3%
  • =< HTML4, CSS2, frugal JS, frugally embedded media (Closer to Early 2000's Web)

    Votes: 68 79.1%
  • Something else (Post an alternative)

    Votes: 4 4.7%

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Dronecatcher

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Interesting read.....

 

whiskersld

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Interesting read.....

Interesting read but LOL at "people on the old web are hostile to blockchain" we don't want your stupid .pngs we want to use our computers for productivity
 

lepidotós

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I'd recommend avoiding them at all costs, as the former at least is riddled with enough malicious ads to make the Daily Mail blush and both have probably the worst cesspools of communities comprising hordes of teenagers perpetually fawning over tHe GoOD oLD dAyS that they were too three years old to have ever experienced ever brought under a single roof.
Update on that: both VidLii and BitView were bought out just last month, and the ads are gone. Every single one of them. The video player works in Leopard WebKit, but not TenFourFox. Haven't tried InterWebPPC but I don't imagine I really need to. None of them will let you solve the captchas to log in or make an account in the first place, however. The community still sucks, but now I can actually say that if you really want to use it, go ahead, and hopefully if you post stuff you'll post good stuff that counteracts all the terrible, awful content. I want to love the site as someone who's used sites like it for almost a decade (and, well, has been using YouTube since like 2007ish) and was one of the first people to join VidLii, but I just can't as it is right now.
Just be warned that the new owners are being as hands-off as possible when it comes to moderation, as former imageboard people. To be fair, so was the last owner, but it's now an official policy rather than just apathy. Also, they're Russians, so... there's that. I don't necessarily being this up to try to spread Russophobia, but I can't guarantee the site is on a stable foundation and will be smoothly sailing from now on.​
 
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whiskersld

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Update on that: both VidLii and BitView were bought out just last month, and the ads are gone. Every single one of them. The video player works in Leopard WebKit, but not TenFourFox. Haven't tried InterWebPPC but I don't imagine I really need to. None of them will let you solve the captchas to log in or make an account in the first place, however. The community still sucks, but now I can actually say that if you really want to use it, go ahead, and hopefully if you post stuff you'll post good stuff that counteracts all the terrible, awful content. I want to love the site as someone who's used sites like it for almost a decade (and, well, has been using YouTube since like 2007ish) and was one of the first people to join VidLii, but I just can't as it is right now.
Just be warned that the new owners are being as hands-off as possible when it comes to moderation, as former imageboard people. To be fair, so was the last owner, but it's now an official policy rather than just apathy. Also, they're Russians, so... there's that. I don't necessarily being this up to try to spread Russophobia, but I can't guarantee the site is on a stable foundation and will be smoothly sailing from now on.​
all im seeing on bitview is SSBU videos and south park fan animations... strange site
 
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z970

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o Finally finished introductory / site creation guide blurb.

o Replaced "New Old Web" secondary moniker with something much more memorable (and bad@ss).

o Added new site category.

Thoughts?
 

whiskersld

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o Finally finished introductory / site creation guide blurb.

o Replaced "New Old Web" secondary moniker with something much more memorable (and bad@ss).

o Added new site category.

Thoughts?
I personally prefer new old web but renegade web is nice, albiet a bit edgy :p

Nice intro!!
 

Riku7

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How about "rebuilding the accessible web" ? Just my 2 € cents...
As someone who cares about accessibility a lot, thumbs up to this one; It also sounds positive and desirable no matter who you are: who wouldn't want things to be nicely accessible?
Whereas, ideas fo resistance and going against something are concepts that most people aren't attracted to because it carries nuances of going through a lot of effort over some sort of continuous battle, and possibly becoming isolated from social circles as a result.
 
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I personally prefer new old web but renegade web is nice, albiet a bit edgy :p

Nice intro!!

WEB 1.1 BUILDING THE RAMBO WEB :machine-gun-sounds: :grunting-heaving noises: :sound of an old jeep revving:

“New-old web”, “classic web”, or “vintage web” are all more fitting and descriptive for this initiative, but hey, some folks really seem to pine for more machismo, bravado, and swagger in their pet projects!
 

Dronecatcher

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some folks really seem to pine for more machismo, bravado, and swagger in their pet projects!
So it's sorted then....

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z970

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Here's how I see it:

In a world of unchallenged automatic HTTPS upgrades, cookie-cutter Wix sites, Google Chrome monopolies, unsolicited ad / tracking / fingerprinting servers, being pressured to use a Google / Facebook / Apple account to log into everywhere, and an endless supply of mainstream social media censorship feeds sponsored by our unelected corporate oligarch overlords ... consciously choosing to ignore the oft-traveled path of least resistance and instead manually write a website from a blank sheet of paper that follows none of the above values held by the majority of modern Internet users, is an objectively contrarian action.

Reasonably, if you then attempted to translate that scenario into a public-friendly brand or identity, such a term as "renegade" (for example; unless someone can offer a better choice if they are in opposition to its use) would by definition describe that outcome, as per Merriam-Webster:

Definition of renegade

1: a deserter from one faith, cause, or allegiance to another


2: an individual who rejects lawful or conventional behavior

In this case, the second definition being especially fitting of what is going on here. You don't see most authors of these outlier websites parading around their Facebook or Twitter accounts, accumulated likes / shares / views / reposts, and noteworthy online followings (although I find the seemingly universal attachment to Discord concerning); they are proudly publishing badges, web rings, and portals pointed to other similarly designed sites, to assist the visitor in navigating through that network of websites rather than the mainstream one, which is an abstract behavior that the current Web hasn't seen for the better part of the last 20 years, and not to mention a seemingly deliberate rejection of commonly-accepted mainstream methods.

Further, this does not appear to be a phenomenon with an exclusive focus to the past, but rather one that is influenced by history with an eye to the future. Therefore, since a bona fide "vintage web" already exists (courtesy of The Internet Archive's unmatched preservation efforts), it would seem more fitting to delegate this newer movement into a class of its own, and thus, an entirely new name.

But nonetheless, the purpose of this thread on MacRumors is to grow public awareness of this happening and encourage visitors to contribute, as well as to publish a suggested design standard (that happens to be agreed upon by over 50 individuals so far) in a bid to make this aforementioned unique network of websites operate more cohesively together. In the end however, people can call it whatever they want. One thread on some online forum can only hold so much power in practice.

@B S Magnet ... But please ... continue your judgmental behavior that contributes nothing and leads to nowhere.
 
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Dronecatcher

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continue your judgmental behavior that contributes nothing and leads to nowhere.
I don't know - it gave me chance to flex my "Photoshop Against The Clock" muscle...

I largely agree with you but in conclusion, it's all a niche within a niche and an echo chamber for passing hipsters and box ticking RetroTube dilettantes....the descriptive name is not that relevant.
 
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I agree, the name really means very little IMO - no reason at all to get hung up on or heady about it. At the end of the day, we're a group of ppl who have these old machines and want to point icab somewhere besides Macintoshgarden or frogfind lol. Participation in and organic growth will ultimately define name, use etc. Getting tribal/tyrannical about the name or its design/content will do nothing but diminish intent, inclusion, growth - ultimate success. Purpose driven threads like this are tools, not a limiting rule book to play by. I believe this is an important distinction to keep in mind especially in regards to looking to the future.

On a less heady note, this web1.1 idea has always reminded me so much of late 90's Geocities community. I found this neat geocities clone called neocities that I plan to use to build a fun & simple HTML website for this threads purpose. It will scratch all my nostalgic itches including the goofy URL which I think will be alot of fun & the basic account is free, so aside from your time, has zero monetary investment to get started.
 
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I don't know - it gave me chance to flex my "Photoshop Against The Clock" muscle...

I largely agree with you but in conclusion, it's all a niche within a niche and an echo chamber for passing hipsters and boxing ticking RetroTube dilettantes....the descriptive name is not that relevant.
That Charles Bronson with the phone gif was gold. Really well done & gave me a good laugh - brought back memories of me and my dad watching Bronson vhs rentals in the 80s.
 
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