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What standard of design should The New Old Web, or Web 1.1, ideally adhere to?

  • < HTML4, CSS2, no JS, no embedded media (Closer to 90's Web)

    Votes: 14 16.3%
  • =< HTML4, CSS2, frugal JS, frugally embedded media (Closer to Early 2000's Web)

    Votes: 68 79.1%
  • Something else (Post an alternative)

    Votes: 4 4.7%

  • Total voters
    86

jagolden

macrumors 68000
Feb 11, 2002
1,587
1,502
While the current web could definitely use some toning down, I don’t want to go back to the Stone Age.
 

z970

macrumors 68040
Original poster
Jun 2, 2017
3,589
4,543
@originaldotexe, @Doq is correct. As the decided standard cites frugal use of JavaScript (not none whatsoever), your site is fine. Go ahead and add it.
 

davisdelo

macrumors regular
Jul 7, 2019
126
170
Fort Worth, TX
my site uses a tiny bit of javascript to embed a separate .html file (header.html and footer.html) into each page. i guess that means it can't be posted here?
you could accomplish this with some very simple PHP include commands as well, which would move the overhead to the server instead of the client.
 

lepidotós

macrumors 6502a
Aug 29, 2021
677
750
Marinette, Arizona
I like the idea, I just don't know how much I'm willing to sacrifice TLS for it. I've already got a handwritten site that should otherwise work perfectly fine on neocities, but they use TLS without giving the option to turn it off so it's not true Web 1.1. But I'm all for bloatless websites, given that 70+% of websites could just be static HTML with no side effects besides putting web designers out of work, and keep old hardware going for probably decades longer, even if said hardware isn't a 604.
I wouldn't mind experimenting on hosting a true W1.1 site on my G4, but I don't know how long I'd keep it up. I think cheap Pi or Arduino proxies are gonna be a more future proof solution all things considered. Still, I appreciate the effort and wouldn't mind joining in for the most uncontroversial of subjects, like video game reviews.
 

reukiodo

macrumors 6502
Nov 22, 2013
420
220
Earth
Has anyone made a reference as to what html/css/js features are supported in the like of legacy browsers? I have been looking for a reference for iCab, IE5, Safari3, etc without much luck...
 

Riku7

macrumors regular
Feb 18, 2014
208
95
Idea for the 1st post: It would be great to have some visual symbol next to the links that have been added recently, because when we revisit this post after some time, it's hard to tell if there's anything new going on since. Like in the old web, there used to be tiny bullets saying "new". There's an emoji that could do the same: ?
 

z970

macrumors 68040
Original poster
Jun 2, 2017
3,589
4,543
@Riku7 All new inclusions already get outlined in an accompanying update post (like this one), and the bottom-right corner of the Wiki also displays the last modification date for confirmation purposes.

I see your point, but in my opinion, "New" would add to visual clutter, and would probably become outdated relatively quickly as far as data goes.

If anyone else adds a site to the Wiki though, they're free to do so for a certain period of time.
 

Riku7

macrumors regular
Feb 18, 2014
208
95
All new inclusions already get outlined in an accompanying update post (like this one)
That's my point though: a thread with lots of chat becomes quite difficult and time-consuming to stay on track of, as opposed to checking the initial post for "what's new, if any".
For the modification date to provide meaningful information, the reader has to know when they last looked at the thread. Many users are sporadic visitors, and each visit as an experience tends to feel the same no matter what time of year it is; At least I don't have any recollection of when I've last clicked a specific thread to read.

"New" would add to visual clutter
That was merely intended as an example of being a marker, to compare it to the familiar way that updates used to be communicated on old websites. Other means are available.

In theory, the simplest way to use such marker would be to mark the most recent addition as new, and remove the marking from what is no longer the newest addition (because it's hard to stay on track of the time how long ago the first markers appeared). Another one is to log the actual addition date.
 

Doq

macrumors 6502a
Dec 8, 2019
547
815
The Lab DX
Well, probably not. I'd classify KDX and Hotline as closer to internet communicators, which would be outside the scope of this thread.
 

z970

macrumors 68040
Original poster
Jun 2, 2017
3,589
4,543
o Added Old'aVista to Search Engines

o Revamped The Old Net's description

o Slightly spruced up formatting

o Ruthlessly hunted Velociraptors and emerged victorious
 
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lepidotós

macrumors 6502a
Aug 29, 2021
677
750
Marinette, Arizona
What would be the best OS to use Oddball as a web server? OS X Server 10.4? 1.2? OS 9? It'd be mostly static with a handful of forms. I just bought enough RAM to max it out, so that's as little of a concern as it can possibly be for a 21 year old computer.

Does OS 9 have TOR onion browser ?
No, because TOR Browser is a fork of Firefox, and Firefox has IIRC never been developed for OS 9.
 

tensixturtle

macrumors 6502
Sep 30, 2021
320
152
Kepler 22b
Additional news site
News site that doesn't use Google News as the source for less reliance on MSM; preferably includes images and light formatting.
Would this mean a similar site as 68k.news but pulling the data off another news site, e.g., NPR, etc. using readability.php? Just curious
 

z970

macrumors 68040
Original poster
Jun 2, 2017
3,589
4,543
@tensixturtle Essentially, yes. In my opinion, something more like The Epoch Times would be ideal, though; NPR is also mainstream.
 
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reukiodo

macrumors 6502
Nov 22, 2013
420
220
Earth
As light as OS 9 is, I wouldn't recommend it as a server expected to run 24/7 as a app crash would bring to system to a halt... at least with OS X there is the ability to remote in and restart just the crashed app.
 

reukiodo

macrumors 6502
Nov 22, 2013
420
220
Earth
As much as I love these old machines, if you are paying for electricity, there's not much these could do (server-wise) that you couldn't do cheaper on a raspberry pi zero2...
 
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z970

macrumors 68040
Original poster
Jun 2, 2017
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4,543
@lepidotós My apologies, I didn't mean to be polarizing. Perhaps AllSides would have been a better choice ...
 
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